ATOT Mafia #2 [Live]

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ALIVE

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Ok, let's break this down a little further.

Fact: You have said you are the mason leader
Fact: I have not directly contradicted you, but I have insinuated that you may not be telling the truth. Unfortunately, I cannot or do not wish to reveal my position to actually contradict you.
NOT A FACT: It would be VERY stupid to contradict you if I were a Mason. Doing so would put down into some peoples minds as to your real identity, but the real fact is that I cannot PROVE you are not Mafia, I can only make a compelling argument. All this really accomplishes though is to confirm to YOU who is a Mason, thus putting a huge target on myself.

NOT A FACT: I am providing cover for no one, I am simply pointing out that we cannot accept your word to be gospel, because there is a very legitimate circumstance where you could be lying.


Let me lay this scenario out very clearly one more time. I apologize if I was not able to clearly explain what may be occurring here.

Theoretical example:


A mafia member (we will call him Dixy) decides he wants to blow the cover of the Masons early in the game. As a result, he claims to be a Mason himself, thus forcing the real Masons to refute his claim and expose themselves. Now Dixy has ascertained very early on the identity of one of the Masons, perhaps multiple Masons if the Masons act foolishly. Here's the most clever part of this tactic though. There is really no downside for Dixy. If the Masons do NOT refute his claim, he has given himself an EXCELLENT cover identity as the Mason leader that nearly the majority of the rest of the players have to accept as fact. No one has refuted him so he must be the Mason leader. No need to ever Lynch him and he can then begin controlling people as pawns.

Absolute worst case scenario for Dixy is that there is doubt in the minds of some players as to who is the real Mason and who is the Mafia liar, as no one can really prove it one way or the other. This isn't so bad of a scenario though, as everyone's roles are in doubt at this point of the game, so Dixy would simply be back at point A.


You see, its an extremely clever tactic that I do not want to let go unnoticed. Now, we could be dealing with a situation where Dixy is in fact telling the truth. Although, the advantages of doing that are much smaller than the harm he would be doing to himself, so I can't really believe that is what we are seeing here. Dixy might be setting himself up to be the sacrificial lamb though?!? *shrugs* I think it'll hurt the town more than it'll help him, but Dixy obviously disagrees with me on this point.
that would be so good for the first game
now it is game 2 2 diferent mafias group
so apart for telling i am mason and people think nope he is not he is a mafia trying to pass as a masson and threatens to be lynched he also atracts a possible hit from the other mafia group
also there are 2/3 of the mason revailed or 2/5 of the mafia revealed
that woulb be so stupid for the mafia right now to loose 2 members so early in the game because there are 2 mafia groups
because there are 2 mafia groups the funny think is that also the town do not need the lunch that much
is for the mafia group to kill the other mafia first a huge bonus they could always derail a lunch or townies could always lynch a wrong person
but even one mafia left from one group can cause a lot of problem to the other mafia group even ending killing them all
so mafia if wants to preveil must target the other mafia

as in real worlds the mafia fights with each other and then deals with the town
 
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Dr. Zaus

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I am willing to join the mafia, if they provide lunch.

V Protect him in the night, I am safe V
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2008
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V for Vendetta?

man, this thread is hard to keep up with.

Here are the FACTS:

I am the mason leader
Alive is one of my masons
I am safe tonight
the DOCTOR needs to save ALIVE tonight
(because, while I am more valuable, I am 95.83...% safe)
Cuda1447 is a mafia thug trying to kill my mason

100% legit, I looked into it.
 
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Krazy4Real

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Oct 3, 2003
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Here are the FACTS:

I am the mason leader
Alive is one of my masons
I am safe tonight
the DOCTOR needs to save ALIVE tonight
(because, while I am more valuable, I am 95.83...% safe)
Cuda1447 is a mafia thug trying to kill my mason

100% legit, I looked into it.
How are you 100% sure that Cuda is a mafia member?
 

ALIVE

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May 21, 2012
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in this game with 2 mafia groups
in order for the mafia to win must target and take out one group
a mafia member is more deadlier than a town lynch
so in the beginign of the game
mafia for its benefeat must help the townies to find and take out the other mafia clan
one mafia and the townies then it will be easier for the mafia to win
cause helpign the townies will dissquise themselves with the town people

trying to take out the townies then the first mafia to make a random kill will have the edge over the other cause more votes to derail the lunch and more people to kill than be killed

so as strange as it seems
if the mafia want to win must help me and dixie to find the other mafia clan
or else they will also go down

game is about winning not about blockign someone else to win
think about it mafia people
do you really want mafia vs mafia??
or mafia+townies vs mafia
what will be easier to knock town
first the townies and then the other mafia
or first the othe rmafia and then the townies!?!?!??
 

Cuda1447

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Jul 26, 2002
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Well it looks like the night is coming soon, unfortunately our town isn't going to be lynching any mob tonight.

I only hope the night brings us answers to Dixy's wonderfully concocted story. If we are lucky he's telling the truth, but more likely Dixy and his mob have an excellently woven cover story.
 

zokudu

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Nov 11, 2009
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Day 1 has ended in a No Lynch

24 hours for all night actions. Please send them via PM. Mafias may send 1 PM with all 3 of their night actions of they so choose.
 

ALIVE

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doctor one more time protect me in the night

going to sleep

DOCTOR PROTECT ME
 
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Cuda1447

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Just to confirm the rules, are we not allowed to talk at this point until the next day, or can conversation continue in this thread while we wait for the night to end?
 

InverseOfNeo

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I believe we are able to talk, but day 1 is over. The only thing we can talk about of significance is day 2 but with night actions pending, it wouldn't make much sense.

Though I could be wrong about this.
 

ussfletcher

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I believe we are able to talk, but day 1 is over. The only thing we can talk about of significance is day 2 but with night actions pending, it wouldn't make much sense.

Though I could be wrong about this.

I think the best choice is to just not talk about the game at night to be fair.
 

zokudu

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Yea I would like no talk at night. Imagine you guys just spent the last 48 hours in the square yelling at each other. Exhausted you all returned to your homes to sleep.

Now since night is 24 hours not everyone is sleeping at the same time so depending on when you "sleep" your night action takes place over the next 24 hours and you all reconvene in the square for Day 2 afterwards.
 

zokudu

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Just an update. I'm going to be a bit late at ending night. I have my graduation tonight at 5:30. Dunno how long it will take but you will all be the first thing I do as soon as I get home.
 

drum

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Feb 1, 2003
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Just an update. I'm going to be a bit late at ending night. I have my graduation tonight at 5:30. Dunno how long it will take but you will all be the first thing I do as soon as I get home.

I hear that from my wife all the time. It's never true.
 
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