ATOT Mafia #2 [Live]

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zokudu

Diamond Member
Nov 11, 2009
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God I slept like a baby.

Voting stands as such:

ALIVE
  • Lazarus52980
  • schneiderguy
  • effowe
  • A Casual Fitz
  • Cuda1447
  • jmolayal
  • cirrhosis

No Lynch
  • vshah
  • DixyCrat
  • ussfletcher
  • Krazy4Real
  • Kirby64
  • mafia
  • InverseOfNeo

ussfletcher
  • InfinityOctopus
  • ALIVE

DixyCrat
  • bluearyus

mafia
  • gw186

~30 hours remain in Day 1. Takes 13 to lynch.
 

ALIVE

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May 21, 2012
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I'm assuming his reasoning for being ok with revealing his position is due to the fact one of the masons is the Jailkeeper. Presumably it isn't ALIVE, as that would pose a problem for him at night if ALIVE gets lynched. Thereby, he feels safe because he can be protected by the Jailkeeper.

Or, you know, you're right and he's mafia defending mafia. It's kinda unclear at this point. We've got 10 mafia to deal with, so it's a rather large target. With two mafia groups, I'm not exactly sure how he can feel safe; the other mafia group could just as easily kill him...

I'm liable to consider him stupid and think he's telling the truth, but then again the ones you WANT to believe are usually the tricky ones.
that proves what he says it is true
if he was the mafia then we would let me alive to die cause it will still be with 4 mafia left in the group
trying to point him and me at the same time for what?
if it is mafia too loose both players and all that will support that??
if he was the mafia he draws to much attention over him
given one lynch in the day and 3 deaths in the night
the safe bet if dixy was a mafia was to be just quiet
cause after the day good guys will kill one bad guys 3 soooooooo
it really does not matter for the mafia too loose a person right now
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Im going to reverse my tactics from last game. Last time i did Random and Mafia. this time i think alive needs to be dead. so

Alive is my vote.
 

ALIVE

Golden Member
May 21, 2012
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Agh, this is really bothering me. I have to make another point. Trusting anyone early on is stupid. You cannot believe anyone's word no matter what. Let me illustrate why. Dixy says he's a Mason and proof of it is that no one refutes him. Well let's say theoretically I am actually a Mason and he's not. So I come out and refute him. Now its my word versus his. Next, let's pretend that he calls me a liar and says that I am mafia, when in reality he is mafia. Next he gets all his mafia buddies to 'come out of the closest' and say that dixy is telling the truth, he is a mason and so are they and that I am not. To combat this I get all my mason friends to come out of the woodwork and confirm I AM a mason and dixy is not. Now its a classic he says/she says but with groups. There is absolutely no advantage for the Masons to do this because 1. We have no way of believing them. 2. They just put huge targets on themselves EITHER way. Either they will be thought of as Masons and targeted by Mafia for sure, or they will be thought of as Mafia and be targeted by townspeople.

You see, no matter what Dixy says, we have no way of believing him. His claim that because no one is refuting him is illogical. For instance, let's pretend I'm mafia. I'm going to come out and claim I'm a mason in order to expose the true masons who I can then target. EVEN when they refute me, I can still get my buddies to lie for me and create a he says/she says so no one can prove am I NOT mason. That's worst case scenario. Best case scenario, no one says anything, as they are not foolish enough to reveal their identities this early - and as a result I cement my fake identity as Mason leader to everybody else. Dixy really has nothing to lose by going down this path. And his false assertions that because no one refutes him means he is telling the truth is poor logic.

I'm not saying he's Mafia, I don't know. But I do know that his logic is fallible and his motives are questionable.
well if a mafia claims to be mason then they
1)be killed by the other mafia faction
2)have the mason team targeting him for lunch
so mafia has more to loose than to gain
and again first day
it would be rediculous for the mafia to step in to save a fellow mafia and expose 2 mafia
when in the night there will be 3 killings
sooooooooooo
dixy tells the truth
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2008
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Cuda1447 said:
I'm mafia. I'm going to come out and claim I'm a mason in order to expose the true masons who I can then target. EVEN when they refute me, I can still get my buddies to lie for me and create a he says/she says so no one can prove am I NOT mason.
SHIT I didn't think about that (and apparently they haven't yet either)... crap; I hope they don't take your f*cking sage advice to f*ck me.

jackass.



We need to NOT vote for Alive!

Please, DOCTOR, protect alive tonight!

I WILL BE OK TONIGHT. do NOT protect me.
 
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ussfletcher

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Apr 16, 2005
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SHIT I didn't think about that (and apparently they haven't yet either)... crap; I hope they don't take your f*cking sage advice to f*ck me.

jackass.



We need to NOT vote for Alive!

Please, DOCTOR, protect alive tonight!

I WILL BE OK TONIGHT. do NOT protect me.

Though any mafia claiming doing that instantly opens themselves up for attack by the other mafia and townspeople.
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2008
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Though any mafia claiming doing that instantly opens themselves up for attack by the other mafia and townspeople.
That's one perspective; one that the town should take. Cuda1447 offers a different perspective, one that the Mafia should take .
 

ALIVE

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May 21, 2012
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giving the townspeople a clique in addition to the mafia is a neat twist from last game.
hahah the only problem with the clique is how it will not be lynched and not targered by the mafia at the same time
it gives town something to an organise response but it is so easy to break it
DixyCrat come out to claim a mason to save another mason
4 options
1)he is what he says
2)he is mafia
3)he is the serial killer
4) he is a townie

option 4 well either he is bored playing and wants to target attention to himself
option 3 hm beeing only one why gother all the attention to him ??
option 2 being mafia would have the argument trying to save felllow mafia
but remmember there are 2 mafia clans so thus revealing 2 mafia members to the other clan
and to the townie lynch?? why expose the mafia to loose 2 people in one round??
option1 well it makes the most logical sense for the time he is what he says and trying to protect the mason from extition that is also why he asks for the doctor help about the other person

in the end now is the begining and all are specullation you are free to decide what ever
 
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hahah the only problem with the clique is how it will not be lynched and not targered by the mafia at the same time
it gives town something to an organise response but it is so easy to break it
yes, now dixy has tied is fate to you, so if either of you get identified the other will share the same fate.

if i had played in the last game i definitely would have advocated lynching as soon as possible, since that was the townies only way to kill mafia. in this variation though, with the multiple mafia factions its a little different. the mafia know their own group, and everyone else needs to die. so its possible that the first night they end up killing some of each other. point being there are a lot more ways for people to die in this one.

part of me wants to kill someone just to end the day early and have some action.
 

ALIVE

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May 21, 2012
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yes, now dixy has tied is fate to you, so if either of you get identified the other will share the same fate.

if i had played in the last game i definitely would have advocated lynching as soon as possible, since that was the townies only way to kill mafia. in this variation though, with the multiple mafia factions its a little different. the mafia know their own group, and everyone else needs to die. so its possible that the first night they end up killing some of each other. point being there are a lot more ways for people to die in this one.

part of me wants to kill someone just to end the day early and have some action.
yeah lynching was the only way in the first game
but now 2 mafia groups?!?!
now mafia must try to take the heat out of them due to the other mafia
and while mafia can derail a lynch and the townie really can not do a lot of that to begin with 11 are the bad and 14 are the good and you need 13 to lynch sooooooo it is hard for the townie to show their muscle
mafia must target also mafia so that helps also things for the townies a bit
 
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yeah lynching was the only way in the first game
but now 2 mafia groups?!?!
now mafia must try to take the heat out of them due to the other mafia
and while mafia can derail a lynch and the townie really can not do a lot of that to begin with 11 are the bad and 14 are the good and you need 13 to lynch sooooooo it is hard for the townie to show their muscle
mafia must target also mafia so that helps also things for the townies a bit
i liked you more when you were talking about lunch
 

ALIVE

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May 21, 2012
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i liked you more when you were talking about lunch
well wait a bit and with the time diferense i will start typing a mess
so it wont be a lunch it will be a full course dinner lol

is this good lunch for you??
 
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ALIVE

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May 21, 2012
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I am soooo confused....
well day one everyone is confused
apart from the mafia
the townies and the masons are in a trouble to figure out who is who
for the mafia who is not them is the enemy so things are simple
for the rest
who is who??
maybe doctor who??
lol i love that series
 
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