ATOT Muscle Car Club

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: SupaDupaCheez
Actually, Camaros and Mustangs are usually classified as 'pony cars' (at least through the 70's anyway). Corvettes are 'sports' cars. But I don't really care. Most 'performance' type cars that were manufactured before '74 are fine by me.

As far as the debate about whether to call newer cars 'muscle cars' goes...I think it is a fare categorization for the likes of Mustangs, GTO's, Camaros, Vipers..etc. The Charger is pushing it (only because of the 4 doors) and the Vette is a bit too 'sporty'. The Viper is in only because it is so raw and unrefined (not sure about the newer ones but the older one's were downright raw).

Muscle cars were generally the 'cheaper' models that were easier for the younger crowd to buy, easy to upgrade to insane levels of performance (for the time), offered appearance upgrades, or were stripped down special order racers (Yenko, Baldwin, COPO...etc).

I can't remember why the Camaro and Mustang (among others) were called "Pony Cars"

Anyway.......

My '70 Chevelle at Chevellabration 2005 in Goodlettsville TN
My Freshly Restored 350
Engine Bay Shot

I'm in the midst of switching the rear brakes to Disc with SS lines and installing Lakewood 'lift bars' to help with the 'wheel hop' inherent to Chevelles.

A 'money pit' she is....but it is definitely worth it

SDC

Nice lookin' car mate!

That motor is a work of art . . .

 

[scorpmatt]

Sweet car nate, I'm found of the new GTOs, maybe not as much as the old Judge, but alas, what are we to do?

Now some on here won't consider my car "muscle", but then some on here aren't very car savvy either. Mine is a 83 supra. Granted the 80s are not known for the power and muscle of pre '74, they still hold their own out there.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

heh you get the pontiact GTO

we get the vauxhall monaro, and the vauxhall monaro VXR with 6 litre V8

in australia they get the real deal, the origianl Holden monaro.

all the same car but different badge.....damn GM

 

[imported_Scourge]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
Sweet car nate, I'm found of the new GTOs, maybe not as much as the old Judge, but alas, what are we to do?

Now some on here won't consider my car "muscle", but then some on here aren't very car savvy either. Mine is a 83 supra. Granted the 80s are not known for the power and muscle of pre '74, they still hold their own out there.

You are kidding, right? Right?

There is no way in hell that a 83 supra is a muscle car. Requirements for a muscle car:
1)American
2) V8
You can debate some things, like if a mustang or even a grand national is a muscle car, but a supra?

And either way, what the hell? You are kidding, right?

 

[SupaDupaCheez]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: SupaDupaCheez
Actually, Camaros and Mustangs are usually classified as 'pony cars' (at least through the 70's anyway). Corvettes are 'sports' cars. But I don't really care. Most 'performance' type cars that were manufactured before '74 are fine by me.

As far as the debate about whether to call newer cars 'muscle cars' goes...I think it is a fare categorization for the likes of Mustangs, GTO's, Camaros, Vipers..etc. The Charger is pushing it (only because of the 4 doors) and the Vette is a bit too 'sporty'. The Viper is in only because it is so raw and unrefined (not sure about the newer ones but the older one's were downright raw).

Muscle cars were generally the 'cheaper' models that were easier for the younger crowd to buy, easy to upgrade to insane levels of performance (for the time), offered appearance upgrades, or were stripped down special order racers (Yenko, Baldwin, COPO...etc).

I can't remember why the Camaro and Mustang (among others) were called "Pony Cars"

Anyway.......

My '70 Chevelle at Chevellabration 2005 in Goodlettsville TN
My Freshly Restored 350
Engine Bay Shot

I'm in the midst of switching the rear brakes to Disc with SS lines and installing Lakewood 'lift bars' to help with the 'wheel hop' inherent to Chevelles.

A 'money pit' she is....but it is definitely worth it

SDC

Nice lookin' car mate!

That motor is a work of art . . .

Thanks for complements guys.

I'm proud to say that, other than a helping hand and some great knowledge from my Father, I have done 98% of the work myself. I had most of the front end suspension, inner fenders, engine brackets, and a few other parts Powdercoated in 2005 (But I did all of the prep work....removing old paint and mediablasting). The engine was the easiest to do out of everything. Believe it or not, the Air Conditioning box (mounted on the passenger side of the firewall, was the hardest to restore (as well as the A/C hoses which are originals).

The upholstery is all original (except for the carpeting which was threadbare).

I converted it from Automatic (tree shift) to a Muncie M22 close ratio 4spd (floor shift) myself. Now THAT was a cool project and not as hard as you might think.

It was originally a 2bbl 350 with a TH350 column shift 'Grandpa car' with hubcaps and a windshield mounted compass

I still have ALL of the original parts I took off except for the tranny which I traded for the M22 (an incredible steal if you know anything about the M22 and it's scarcity).

The wheels are Cragar S/S 15x8.5 with Goodrich T/A's 245/60/15's all around. The Cragars are outfitted with the 3 prong 'spinner' center caps (they don't actually spin though....no pimpin' for me ) The wheels are absolutely period correct and I love 'em. I'm not at all ashamed of the 'redneckedness' they personify either

Restoring an old car is not as hard as most people might think (unless parts are scarce...like for AMC's and some Mopars). It takes a lot of planning, some common sense and a commitment to doing it right instead of half-assing it. Oh....did I forget to say MONEY?

I think this ATOT 'Muscle car club' is a great idea....as long as the 'haters' don't come in and ruin it.

BTW...nice cars guys....let's keep them coming!

 

[SKORPI0]

Not really an expert on muscle cars but here's some info.

Strict Definition of a Muscle Car

A muscle car, by the strictest definition, is an intermediate sized, performance oriented model, powered by a large V8 engine, at an affordable price. Most of these models were based on "regular" production vehicles. These vehicles are generally not considered muscle cars, even when equipped with large V8s. If there was a high performance version available, it gets the credit, and not the vehicle that it was based on.

Examples: Buick GS, Chevrolete Chevelle SS, Dodge Charger R/T, Ford Torino/Cobra, Plymouth GTX, Plymouth Road Runner, Oldsmobile 442, Pontiac GTO

 

[AdamK47]

Browse to the movies section here. Some great GTO commercials.

Some Firebird Trans Am Commercials (kinda small)

 

[SupaDupaCheez]

Anyone else?

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: Scourge

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
Sweet car nate, I'm found of the new GTOs, maybe not as much as the old Judge, but alas, what are we to do?

Now some on here won't consider my car "muscle", but then some on here aren't very car savvy either. Mine is a 83 supra. Granted the 80s are not known for the power and muscle of pre '74, they still hold their own out there.

You are kidding, right? Right?

There is no way in hell that a 83 supra is a muscle car. Requirements for a muscle car:
1)American
2) V8
You can debate some things, like if a mustang or even a grand national is a muscle car, but a supra?

And either way, what the hell? You are kidding, right?

Yeah, it is a joke to call it a muscle car, lots of power with no gas mileage, nope doesn't apply to my car. just lots of power with gas mileage

A mustang isn't a muscle car, its a pony car. simple enough. A grand national isn't a muscle car, its a sleeper. also simple. What is their to debate?

Someone go get me a Monte Carlo SS

 

[Black88GTA]

I have a 1988 Trans Am GTA

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The original 350 TPI motor was only about 235 HP - not very fast from the factory, but it's currently in a speed shop getting a 383 stroker, Super Ram intake, new injectors, street / strip transmission w/torque converter, subframe connectors, and a bunch of other fun stuff as I type this. Should be good for 450+ HP when it's out...and low 12's, high 11's if the rear end holds up...

My other 2 cars don't really count - 1988 Chrysler Conquest and 1992 4 cyl Mustang - which is currently broken and for sale.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Rudee
Muscle Cars are a term normally used to represent 60's and 70's performance cars dude.

Muscle car

 

[hemiram]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: SupaDupaCheez


I can't remember why the Camaro and Mustang (among others) were called "Pony Cars"

Pony = horse as in horsepower. This is just a term for a compact relatively affordable performance car, which Ford pioneered with the Mustang in the mid 60's

LOL, no it's Pony as in horse, or "Mustang", the Camaro/Firebird/Challenger/Cuda/Javelin are Mustang type cars, as in "pony cars". Usually a Pony has 2 useful seats in front, and two nearly worthless ones in the back, a Charger, etc has decent back seat and leg room, a Cuda (basically the same car with a chunk of length cut out) doesn't.

A 440 Roadrunner or Charger is a muscle car, a 440 Cuda is a Pony car.

Simple..

 

[AdamK47]

There isn't one clear and unified definition of a muscle car. I define a muscle car as a 2+2 coupe moderatly priced with a large V8 engine that creates high horsepower for the year the car was built.

I own a 1999 Camaro Z28 with the LS1 and a 1986 Firebird Trans AM with a HO 305. I also have a 1994 Corvette convertable, but that isn't a muscle car.

 

[Mickey Eye]

Originally posted by: dug777
sweet ute mate :beer:

I dont think they call them that anywhere but Oz.

 

[melchoir]

98 LS1 Trans Am

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[MasterAndCommander]

A mustang isn't a muscle car, its a pony car. simple enough. A grand national isn't a muscle car, its a sleeper. also simple. What is their to debate?

Someone go get me a Monte Carlo SS

Certain models of 'Pony Cars' are considered muscle according to musclecarclub.com:


Pony Cars and Compact Cars:

In addition to fullsize and intermediate muscle cars, a number of smaller vehicles started appearing on the automotive performance scene. These new "pony cars" and compact cars are generally considered muscle cars only if they have the top of the line performance engines and options.

Examples: Chevrolet Camaro (SS and Z28 models only), Ford Mustang (GTs and Boss only), Plymouth 'Cudas (no Barracudas), AMC Javelin, etc

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

A mustang isn't a muscle car, its a pony car. simple enough. A grand national isn't a muscle car, its a sleeper. also simple. What is their to debate?

Someone go get me a Monte Carlo SS

Certain models of 'Pony Cars' are considered muscle according to musclecarclub.com:


Pony Cars and Compact Cars:

In addition to fullsize and intermediate muscle cars, a number of smaller vehicles started appearing on the automotive performance scene. These new "pony cars" and compact cars are generally considered muscle cars only if they have the top of the line performance engines and options.

Examples: Chevrolet Camaro (SS and Z28 models only), Ford Mustang (GTs and Boss only), Plymouth 'Cudas (no Barracudas), AMC Javelin, etc

Now where are getting really specific. I wouldn't call a Boss Mustang a pony car, but I would a Mustang GT a pony car, and the Mustang LX 5.0 (the sleeper GT) is also a pony car. but that's just me and the area that I live in. too each their own I suppose

 

[nateholtrop]

Well if you consider yourself a muscle car owner by any means..feel free to copy my sig.

 

[MikeMike]

my dream "muscle" esque car is a 69 Stingray Split Window.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

I recently got a 1996 convertable V6 mustang for $1000. LOL good price though the previous owner obviously didn't know how to take care of it. There are some issues with the car.

I don't think my cheapy V6 is cool enough to be in your club.

 

[SupaDupaCheez]

Originally posted by: nateholtrop
Well if you consider yourself a muscle car owner by any means..feel free to copy my sig.

I'm In

 

[MasterAndCommander]

In like Vince Young on a touchdown run

 

[SupaDupaCheez]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
my dream "muscle" esque car is a 69 Stingray Split Window.

I'm pretty sure that the split window was only available on the '63 (I may be wrong though)
63 Vette from the Corvette Museum
64 Vette (notice the 'changes' section)

If I had to pick a Vette.....THIS is EXACTLY what it would be. (Notice the '427' emblem on the hood :evil: )

 

[Siddhartha]

nevermind

 

[SupaDupaCheez]

Yes folks.....this guy's collection is to die for!

:shocked: