** ATOT OFFICIAL STAR WARS EP. 2 Thread **

[The Dancing Peacock]

Originally posted by: WoodchuckCharlie
And you guys will notice that at the beginning of the movie, Jango Fett was trying to kill Amidala. Well, we found who the assassin was, but never WHY. Atleast I don't think we did. They kinda left the part up in the air as to why they were attempting to kill her. I beleive they will finally succeed in killing her in the next movie, and that's what pushes Anakin over the top.

Yes, we do find out who wants her dead. It's the Trade Federation guys, the Neimodians. Twice on Gnosis(sp?) they say they want her dead. One time when Obi-wan was eavesdropping on them walking. Then once when they were chained up in the arena. It's blatanly obvious they want her dead for what she did to them in TPM.

As to whether Sidious will want her dead later, is left to be decided in Episode 3. She doesn't die in childbirth, because Leia remembers her. There is no mention of how she dies, and whether she's killed. The timetable of when she leaves Anakin with the kids and his turn to the Dark Side will have to be answered in the next one.

 

[normajean]

just reading these threads makes me want to see it again and again. 2 is not enough...seismic charges alone are worth it...that just shook the whole theatre


oh yeah I just bought the art of star wars for this movie, which includes the script...although these are my favorite collectibles this edition has more concept art and design ,than finished comps and models, which is a little disappointing. Still very cool for Ind.design majors and cg artists.

The soundtrack cd is awesome too, I think the score NEARLY rivals empire not quite.

 

[Siddhartha]

Has anyone seen the digital version?

 

[Nefrodite]

Secondly, about Yoda suddenly whizzing into action from seemingly cripple old timer, I agree with the people who say that that's how a real master will behave. If anyone has the new Star Wars roleplaying game, read the whole chapter on The Force and you'll find that Yoda's behaviour is very much in line with Master Odan-Urr's teachings.


or perhaps he really is physically weak, but his force powers are so great that he can make up for that deficit if he needs to

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Has anyone seen the digital version?

 

[Angrymarshmello]

He also told Luke that Vader killed his father. The entire Star Wars lineup is filled with inconsistencies like that. It's the product of the films being made years apart

Did you watch Return of the Jedi? Or are you a fan of Star Wars at all? In ROTJ Obi Wan said that Vader did kill Luke's father - when Anakin went over to the Dark side, Anakin Skywalker ceased to exist as Darth Vader took his place.

 

Did you watch Return of the Jedi? Or are you a fan of Star Wars at all? In ROTJ Obi Wan said that Vader did kill Luke's father - when Anakin went over to the Dark side, Anakin Skywalker ceased to exist as Darth Vader took his place.

My point exactly. Do you really think Lucas planned that ahead of time? I am sure he came up with the Vader->Luke connection after Star Wars as well as the Luke->Leia connection. You think he would have had the swinging incest kiss in ANH if Lucas had that all planned out. Kenobi's line in Jedi was just a work-around to a plot flaw.

 

[Oakenfold]

I think much of which DEF has said here has some excellent points.
I hate to admit it but I"m wondering if the world is changing so much that one cannot enjoy a movie
without there being extreme violence, cussing, and sex?
This story is an Epic tale, much like that of the Homer's Odyssey, someone stop me if I"m wrong.
This is one thing that I praise Lucas for and that's keeping his story from turning into a money making machine of one which I haven't begun to think about.
Picture what Def was talking about, could you actually see a Mace windu cursing violently as he stuck down his enemy's?
Or better yet what if they actually showed any kind of sexual content in a SW film?
The thought disgusts me.

Now onto happier thoughts,
someone mentioned that they thought Yoda looked dumb bringing the clone army so that anakin would continue to turn to the dark side.
Remember that is his destiny. It doesn't mean that he cannot do great things along the way.
Yoda is no fool, I haven't read any books about his past so I dont' know many things about him but I'm sure he understands
and is probably going along with it for that reason because he knows of things that must come to be.
If you don't read the novels and have spare time I suggest that you do if you are a SW fan, there are many many great books
about what happens after the movies, backgounds of characters etc, it really brings the SW universe MUCH more into focus.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: dwell

Did you watch Return of the Jedi? Or are you a fan of Star Wars at all? In ROTJ Obi Wan said that Vader did kill Luke's father - when Anakin went over to the Dark side, Anakin Skywalker ceased to exist as Darth Vader took his place.

My point exactly. Do you really think Lucas planned that ahead of time? I am sure he came up with the Vader->Luke connection after Star Wars as well as the Luke->Leia connection. You think he would have had the swinging incest kiss in ANH if Lucas had that all planned out. Kenobi's line in Jedi was just a work-around to a plot flaw.

So Darth Vader stayed alive in A New Hope......why? It was kind of key that Luke would find out in EP5 that Darth used to be his father......the whole trilogy was built around Darth being Luke's father

 

[SSP]

I finally saw EP2 today... and OMG! THAT WAS FSCKING AMAZING!!!!!! OH! Yoda was fantastic! I was like whoah!

I wana watch it again!

 

So Darth Vader stayed alive in A New Hope......why? It was kind of key that Luke would find out in EP5 that Darth used to be his father......the whole trilogy was built around Darth being Luke's father

I disagree. I think Lucas came up with the father/son thing after ANH. I think his original intention was to have Luke avenge his father and master's death. Very typical Karate movie plot. After the success of ANH he must have realized what a mind f*** it would be that have Vader be Luke's father.

I also think he pulled the Luke/Leia thing out after ESB, seeing how people freaked out at the father/son thing. There is no way he would have done that Hoth tounge kiss if he had already planned them to be brother and sister.

 

[jobberd]

I disagree. I think Lucas came up with the father/son thing after ANH. I think his original intention was to have Luke avenge his father and master's death. Very typical Karate movie plot. After the success of ANH he must have realized what a mind f*** it would be that have Vader be Luke's father.

I also think he pulled the Luke/Leia thing out after ESB, seeing how people freaked out at the father/son thing. There is no way he would have done that Hoth tounge kiss if he had already planned them to be brother and sister.

I am almost positive that Lucas already had the basic plot down for all 6 movies. Vader was supposed to be Luke's father all along. However, A New Hope actually was on a pretty tight budget to begin with, and it was pretty close to being cancelled. Lucas definitely did not have the luxury of making it sequel friendly because there was no guarantee of it doing any good in the box office. Thats why the movie seems to wrap up so well, while ESB ends with a sequel obviously in place. If there truly was no larger plot for the epic before ANH became big, Vader would've been killed by Han Solo at the end, instead of surviving to fight another day. If you still don't believe it, I'm pretty sure I could pull a link from somewhere proving otherwise...

 

[Rogue]

Did anyone also notice that the symbol of the Republic is the same as the symbol of the coming Empire? Even Obi-wan's ship had the symbol on it as well as all the clones/storm troopers. I hadn't seen anyone mention that anyone in this entire thread so far.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Well the Federation = The Empire isn't it? (At least it will be)

 

[kru]

my $0.02 --> the thread about the star wars galaxies MMORPG shouldn't have been locked since it has nothing to do with Episode 2. i would have posted this in a more relevant thread, but it too has been locked.

 

[fatbaby]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Well the Federation = The Empire isn't it? (At least it will be)

No...

Republic=Empire

Palpatine go crazy and kill everyone w/clones and then build death star and everyone who opposes him go hide or surrrender

Thats why you don't see battle droids in 5, 6, and 7


Ok heres my n00b question:

How teh fux0r can those star destroyers hover in an atmosphere?

You cleary see humans standing upright on tatooine, which means the gravitational field is the same as the earths. Now those star destroyers must way at least 100000 tons, keeping something like that in a stationary hovering position requires a LOT of lift...But since the boosters on a stardestroyer are located at the rear, how does one generate that lift?

 

[normajean]

Originally posted by: fatbaby

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Well the Federation = The Empire isn't it? (At least it will be)

No...

Republic=Empire

Palpatine go crazy and kill everyone w/clones and then build death star and everyone who opposes him go hide or surrrender

Thats why you don't see battle droids in 5, 6, and 7


Ok heres my n00b question:

How teh fux0r can those star destroyers hover in an atmosphere?

You cleary see humans standing upright on tatooine, which means the gravitational field is the same as the earths. Now those star destroyers must way at least 100000 tons, keeping something like that in a stationary hovering position requires a LOT of lift...But since the boosters on a stardestroyer are located at the rear, how does one generate that lift?

don't question everything!!! If you question that, then question why you hear the ships fly in space. It's a vaccuum=no sound, but who cares it's friggin cool, especially the one that opened this episode. Just enjoy it!!!

 

[PowerMacG5]

Here's my opinion. The first time I saw it at 4:00 pm on Thursday I had a headache, and found the movie to be long and drawn out. The second time I saw it at 7:30 pm on Friday i loved it. I thought this was much better the Episode 1. I loved Yoda's fight scene - hobble in on cane --> jump off walls and save them from falling object --> hooble out on cane (LOL). I don;t know if anyone else noticed this so I'll mention it. In the scene where Anakin is fixing the transmission from the bike after getting his mother from the sandpeople, when Padme comes to console him the camera goes to the side of Anakin and you can see Luke's speeder from episode 4 in the background (thought that was interesting). I'm hoping to see it a few more times to see if I can spot other "hidden" things. But my overall opinion of this movie was all thumbs up (depending on what planet your from this can range from 2 thumbs - ? amount of thumbs (LOL)). fatbaby - the reason the ships are able to hover is because they are in a galaxy far far away.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: zimmie6576

Originally posted by: CplHicks

Why doesn't R2 use his rockets in the Classic Trilogy.
R2-D2's Rockets

Good enough reason to hide the real one: when the original trilogy was made the technology wasn't there to make R2 fly around.

Concerning Qui-Gon's voice being heard I think this is a lot more important than just a neat audio trick. Remember in TPM how Qui-Gon's body didn't disapear? George Lucas said that why he didn't would be explained more in EPs II and III. It seems to me like Qui-Gon might not have been fully prepared to disapear because he had been tempted by the dark side, I believe Count Dooku was his trainer(?).

Yes, Qui-Gon was Dooku's Padawan. Your idea sounds plausible, since Vader/Anakin didn't disappear either, but he did show up as a ghost/whatever a dead Jedi is in ROTJ.

It took me 20 mins to find this quote, I hope its worth it...

Anyway, that is a really good point about Qui-Gon not disapearing because he may have been tempted by the darkside, but i don't think that is the reason. In the battle scene of EPII you see many Jedi die and not disapear...does this mean they too were tempted by the dark side?

I have a theory as to why certain jedi disapear and why certain jedi don't disapear...but i won't write it here. I am not 100% confident in it. After seeing this movie I may have to rethink a couple points.

Thanks

 

[Angrymarshmello]

oops, I meant Republic

Thats why you don't see battle droids in 5, 6, and 7

So what's this Episode 7?

E4 = A New Hope
E5 = Empire Strikes Back
E6 = ROTJ

(someone correct me if I'm wrong)

 

[normajean]

Originally posted by: dwell


I disagree. I think Lucas came up with the father/son thing after ANH. I think his original intention was to have Luke avenge his father and master's death. Very typical Karate movie plot. After the success of ANH he must have realized what a mind f*** it would be that have Vader be Luke's father.

I also think he pulled the Luke/Leia thing out after ESB, seeing how people freaked out at the father/son thing. There is no way he would have done that Hoth tounge kiss if he had already planned them to be brother and sister.

dwell-here's the proof........from A new hope, lucas new what he was doing...no mindfvck

OWEN: You must understand I need you here, Luke.



LUKE: But it's a whole 'nother year.


OWEN: Look, it's only one more season.


Luke pushes his half-eaten plate of food aside and stands.



LUKE: Yeah, that's what you said last year when Biggs and Tank left.



AUNT BERU: Where are you going?



LUKE: It looks like I'm going nowhere. I have to finish cleaning those

droids.



Resigned to his fate, Luke paddles out of the room. Owen

mechanically finishes his dinner.



AUNT BERU: Owen, he can't stay here forever. Most of his friends have

gone. It means so much to him.



OWEN: I'll make it up to him next year. I promise.



AUNT BERU: Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his

father in him.



OWEN: That's what I'm afraid of.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: normajean

Originally posted by: dwell

So Darth Vader stayed alive in A New Hope......why? It was kind of key that Luke would find out in EP5 that Darth used to be his father......the whole trilogy was built around Darth being Luke's father

I disagree. I think Lucas came up with the father/son thing after ANH. I think his original intention was to have Luke avenge his father and master's death. Very typical Karate movie plot. After the success of ANH he must have realized what a mind f*** it would be that have Vader be Luke's father.

I also think he pulled the Luke/Leia thing out after ESB, seeing how people freaked out at the father/son thing. There is no way he would have done that Hoth tounge kiss if he had already planned them to be brother and sister.

Um, no. He had it all planned out. In E.S.B., when Luke leaves the Degaba (spelling?) system, Obi Wan said:

"That boy is our last hope" and then Yoda said:

"No...there is another"

Unless you want to interpret it @$$ backwards, that means there is another Skywalker. I certainly doubt he meant for it to be Han or Chewbacca.

 

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Um, no. He had it all planned out. In E.S.B., when Luke leaves the Degaba (spelling?) system, Obi Wan said:

"That boy is our last hope" and then Yoda said:

That's true and I can't argue that. I don't really know if was Leia, look at that damn tounge-kiss in ESB!

 

I am excitied. I am going to see Episode 2 tomorrow again, this time in digital projection. Hope it's worth the wait.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Yea that is pretty gross I guess.....but then again they didn't know though