ATOT PLEASE HELP 1880$ ticket might lose my license.

[vi edit]

In the OP it says "kids" were between 12 and 15. Meh. I can't count the number of times in my early youth there would be half a dozen of us riding in the back of a pickup truck on the highway and rarely anyone raised an eye.

It's not like he had freaking toddlers bouncing around in a back seat. Some of these "kids" are close to driving on their own.

I'd maybe lawyer up and see if he can dicker down the points/penaties. Probably going to cost more though.

 

[Raizinman]

Here are the rules for getting out of these tickets:
1) Continue the case - The longer you continue it, the better chance the cop will forget the details.
2) Check the ticket carefully - often the cop will write down the wrong date, time, law, or whatever. Could be grounds to have the ticket dismissed.
3) Prepare to call the cop as a witness and have lengthy questions ready.
4) If there were any adults in the car, bring them as witnesses
5) Prepare to appeal when you lose.

 

[bignateyk]

Here are the rules for getting out of these tickets:
1) Continue the case - The longer you continue it, the better chance the cop will forget the details.
2) Check the ticket carefully - often the cop will write down the wrong date, time, law, or whatever. Could be grounds to have the ticket dismissed.
3) Prepare to call the cop as a witness and have lengthy questions ready.
4) If there were any adults in the car, bring them as witnesses
5) Prepare to appeal when you lose.

I've found the best way is to just show up, admit you fucked up, and hope for the best. I've had about 4 tickets reduced to near nothing by doing this. Then again, those were all speeding tickets.

 

[bignateyk]

In the OP it says "kids" were between 12 and 15. Meh. I can't count the number of times in my early youth there would be half a dozen of us riding in the back of a pickup truck on the highway and rarely anyone raised an eye.

It's not like he had freaking toddlers bouncing around in a back seat. Some of these "kids" are close to driving on their own.

I'd maybe lawyer up and see if he can dicker down the points/penaties. Probably going to cost more though.

Yeah I remember many times as a kid packing into the backseat of a car with 5 other kids. I certainly don't consider my parents bad parents.

 

[ShawnD1]

I've found the best way is to just show up, admit you fucked up, and hope for the best. I've had about 4 tickets reduced to near nothing by doing this. Then again, those were all speeding tickets.

The difference is that speeding is not dangerous at all but riding with no seatbelt is the most dangerous thing evar.

 

[vi edit]

Yeah I remember many times as a kid packing into the backseat of a car with 5 other kids. I certainly don't consider my parents bad parents.

It's an interesting outlook on society. My Dad was one of 7 kids. My grandma would actually wrap the infants up in blankets and place them on the floorboards while the older kids got the seats (no fancy seat belts/harnesses/5 point roll cage booster seat/ect).

Now we have people saying that kids need to be in rear facing seats until they are 2 years old and in a booster until they are 12.

Saftey is fine...but it's not a replacement for common sense. I guarantee that my grandma drove better with a kid rolling around on the floorboard than some idiot in an an SUV with a kid in a 5 point recarro carseat in the backseat weaving all over the place while talking on a cell phone and drinking a starbucks.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Why did you have 5 kids in the first place, LOL

 

[gorcorps]

Y'all getting trolled... and hard. OP makes thread DEMANDING you donate money, and we bit. Now he makes thread about absurdly large ticket that he wants to get out of, which just happens to be ATOT's biggest collective pet peeve.

This guy is winning.

 

[bignateyk]

Y'all getting trolled... and hard. OP makes thread DEMANDING you donate money, and we bit. Now he makes thread about absurdly large ticket that he wants to get out of, which just happens to be ATOT's biggest collective pet peeve.

This guy is winning.

haha, link to the donation thread??

 

[ShawnD1]

Doesn't do anything if the bus hits an immovable object or flips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1m6s7n85G4

dad answer:
If hitting power poles kill everyone inside then just stop crashing into power poles. Do I need to explain this shit to everyone?

 

[gorcorps]

haha, link to the donation thread??

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2151941

 

[TheNinja]

I can't help you, but that does suck. Unfortunately that's the society nowadays. Even 20 years ago we rode in the back of the station wagon and crawled and played around in the backseat with the back window wide open. We didn't wear seatbelts anywhere and nobody really cared. Now it's like you kid has to be 12 years old and 65 pounds or something before they don't need a booster. It's just the way it is.

 

[edro]

I'd suggest getting a lawyer. Thats a HUGE fine

I agree. Pay $2000 to get a $2000 fine reduced to $1000.
Makes sense to me!

 

[her209]

I agree. Pay $2000 to get a $2000 fine reduced to $1000.
Makes sense to me!

If there's a chance of getting the tickets voided, I'd do it because having those tickets costs you more in insurance. But in this case, I think the OP is fucked!

 

[Imp]

Good luck with a case involving in the young'uns.

 

[MotF Bane]

<nelson> Ha! Ha! </nelson>

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

even when there are points associated with the violation?

I can't speak for other companies and am speaking of the experience I have with the states I have been an underwriter for (which is the eastern half of the US primarily), and points are not looked at on their own.

We look at minor and major violations, accidents, and active moving suspensions (DUI/DWI/driving without license/etc). Minors are just speeding for example, majors are DUI/DWI/etc, and if your license is suspended due to DUI/DWI/etc then we count that stuff. Generally things like non-moving violations (suspensions due to failure to pay child support, seat belt, etc) are not counted. My company doesn't look at points, at least in the states I underwrite for.

 

[bignateyk]

I can't help you, but that does suck. Unfortunately that's the society nowadays. Even 20 years ago we rode in the back of the station wagon and crawled and played around in the backseat with the back window wide open. We didn't wear seatbelts anywhere and nobody really cared. Now it's like you kid has to be 12 years old and 65 pounds or something before they don't need a booster. It's just the way it is.

Pretty soon we'll be forced to keep our kids in plastic bubbles until they turn 18.

 

[sdifox]

I agree. Pay $2000 to get a $2000 fine reduced to $1000.
Makes sense to me!

Fines are minor issues compared to the points associated with the tickets. If he can commute the violation to some other violation that does not involve points, I could that as a big win.

 

[xanis]

Read through the thread and the only logical conclusions that I can make are that the OP is both extremely stupid and/or a troll.

 

[Zstream]

Total junk! The Government has no right to tell me to wear a seatbelt or do anything else in my car. It's not hurting anyone outside of myself. This is not like texting or drinking or smoking drugs. Those all have potential to hurt other people not in the owners car. This is nothing but a Government trap and people here condone it.

Pretty pathetic what we have become...

 

[sdifox]

I can't speak for other companies and am speaking of the experience I have with the states I have been an underwriter for (which is the eastern half of the US primarily), and points are not looked at on their own.

We look at minor and major violations, accidents, and active moving suspensions (DUI/DWI/driving without license/etc). Minors are just speeding for example, majors are DUI/DWI/etc, and if your license is suspended due to DUI/DWI/etc then we count that stuff. Generally things like non-moving violations (suspensions due to failure to pay child support, seat belt, etc) are not counted. My company doesn't look at points, at least in the states I underwrite for.

ok. Thanx for the explanation. Over here seatbelt is considered moving violation. Over here it's 2 demerit points and 90 dollar fine per instance. Apparently we are supposed to wear seatbelts in taxis.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/seatbelt.shtml

 

[etrigan420]

...drove better with a kid rolling around on the floorboard...

lol, awesome mental image.

I fell out of the back of my aunts moving station wagon when I was a toddler, (it was in a parking lot, she had neglected to fully latch the rear gate. Probably not the best endorsement for how things "used to be", but anyway...) and used to stand on the passenger seat while my dad drove the 1971 AMC Javelin.

On the other side of that coin though, I wouldn't even *think* about driving somewhere without each of my 4 kids properly secured in the vehicle.

To the OP...Mercy of the court is probably your best bet.

 

[FelixDeCat]

In the OP it says "kids" were between 12 and 15. Meh. I can't count the number of times in my early youth there would be half a dozen of us riding in the back of a pickup truck on the highway and rarely anyone raised an eye.

It's not like he had freaking toddlers bouncing around in a back seat. Some of these "kids" are close to driving on their own.

I'd maybe lawyer up and see if he can dicker down the points/penaties. Probably going to cost more though.

Yes, this fine and such is way overboard for the "offense". Of course you will have someone always say, "WELL WHAT IF XXXX!!!!! $100,000,000 FINE AND 10,000 YEARS IN JAIL!!!!!"

Back in the 70s and early 80s, I rode in cars stuffed with kids (I being one of them). If we did get pulled over (we never did) it wouldnt have been more than a REASONABLE fine of $50 or so.

Unfortunately, reason no longer applies in our society.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Total junk! The Government has no right to tell me to wear a seatbelt or do anything else in my car. It's not hurting anyone outside of myself. This is not like texting or drinking or smoking drugs. Those all have potential to hurt other people not in the owners car. This is nothing but a Government trap and people here condone it.

Pretty pathetic what we have become...

I started driving before seatbelt laws and almost never wore one if I could get away with it. It irritated my stomach.

These days cars wont STFU unless you wear one. :'(