ATOTers, is it the norm to spend $700-800 for a set of new tires?

[SSSnail]

Here, let me quote myself for the visually impaired or having problems with reading comprehension

The BEST all-season tires, bar none - http://tires.tirerack.com/search?asug=&view=list&w=continental+dws (unless you want run-flats, which then I'd go with the P7)

Noticed the bolded part. Now, I did say that there are some areas where they will not fare as well as other types, and there are compromises. I conceded to those facts and gave my reasons why. But, I also said for the money, they are the best overall tires in this category. I even posted numbers to back it up, all within the last two pages. Prove me wrong. Find better all around tires for equal or less money.

This is the third time in this thread I posted this:

DWS 06 Performance Metrics:
Hydroplaning Resistance 9.4
Wet Traction 9.4
Cornering Stability 9.0
Dry Traction 9.3
Steering Response 8.8
Light Snow Traction 9.1
Deep Snow Traction 8.6
Ice Traction 8.2
Ride Quality 9.0
Noise 8.9
Treadwear 9.1

What more do you want? At least what I posted was factual, and also based on my actual experience. You're coming in here trying to defend someone that posted wrong information, and based on "reviews"? To quote GySgt Hartman "YOU HAVE TO BE SHITTING ME?!"

BTW, this is one of the requirements from the OP:

2. Looking for just hassle-free all-season for everyday driving

 

[Kelvrick]

Here, let me quote myself for the visually impaired or having problems with reading comprehension

Noticed the bolded part. Now, I did say that there are some areas where they will not fare as well as other types, and there are compromises. I conceded to those facts and gave my reasons why. But, I also said for the money, they are the best overall tires in this category. I even posted numbers to back it up, all within the last two pages. Prove me wrong. Find better all around tires for equal or less money.

This is the third time in this thread I posted this:

DWS 06 Performance Metrics:
Hydroplaning Resistance 9.4
Wet Traction 9.4
Cornering Stability 9.0
Dry Traction 9.3
Steering Response 8.8
Light Snow Traction 9.1
Deep Snow Traction 8.6
Ice Traction 8.2
Ride Quality 9.0
Noise 8.9
Treadwear 9.1

What more do you want? At least what I posted was factual, and also based on my actual experience. You're coming in here trying to defend someone that posted wrong information, and based on "reviews"? To quote GySgt Hartman "YOU HAVE TO BE SHITTING ME?!"

BTW, this is one of the requirements from the OP:

If you want to be a dick about it, then fine.

Note: Consumer Survey Ratings are from 0-10 with 10 being the highest.

Consumer surveys are factual now? How about the FACTS that I linked to? I'll link them again.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=201

Tirerack's consumer survey lists the Pilot Sport A/S 3 well below the DWS06 though. Do you want to say that those survey results are more factual than the tests that Tirerack did?

Are you going to complain that the Michelin's cost more and that current $169.41 Tirerack charges for the DWS 06 THE PRICE to be beat? Why isn't it over priced compared to the $146.76 BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S? It is 99% the tire of your DWS 06 on your so valuable consumer performance rating but at 86% the price.

How about Tirerack's tire test results?
______________DWS06 / BFG GForce2 / Conti Pure Contact with EcoPlus
Slalom Dry:____5.25___/ 5.10 ____/ 5.22
Slalom Wet:____5.63___/ 5.66 ____/ 5.56
Lap Time Dry: ___30.94 / 30.30 ___/ 31.15
Lap Time Wet: ___34.56 / 34.99 ___/ 34.36
Stopping Dry: ____86.50 / 85.80 ___/ 88.50
Stopping Wet: ___112.40 / 110.00__ / 105.60
G-force Dry: ______0.88 / 0.91 ____/ 0.85
G-force Wet: ______0.75 / 0.75____/ 0.74

Data above pulled from these two tests:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=200
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=201
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=188

Holy shit. That BFG looks every bit as good of a tire as that the DWS 06 is, maybe... Better? But CHEAPER. But that is just what I can find on the internet.

We can probably ignore your advice now.

EDIT: The OP is someone who is complaining about $800 for a set of tires. Even if the mentions of the DWS tires wearing out in 20k is false, they sure as hell will not last as long as something like a grand touring tire with LRR like the Continental Purecontact with Ecoplus (that tortilla soup suggested), which will also improve gas mileage, saving money! I decided to add that to the comparison chart above as well for performance. FYI, that tire is currently $164.3.0 on tirerack in 235/45/18. Cheaper than the Extremecontact DWS 06

I actually think the DWS06 is a solid tire. Especially after they improved the sidewall strength that was a big complaint from the first generation DWS, which I purchased and purchased a SECOND TIME. You were just a total dick about it. Leave that in OT, not when you go to the other technical subforums.

 

[SSSnail]

You're confusing me with someone else in this thread that cited consumer reports as factual. I'm the one that linked and posted performance metric numbers, remember? You keep linking a chart that cherry picked a few stats where the DWS 06 either performs better, or marginally worse in just some categories while ignoring this whole "overall" concept.

I'm not a dick, usually, it's only when treated certain ways that I react, and rightfully so.

Anyways, go find the damn performance metrics like I asked for the fourth time already. Post them here. If you need instructions, it's "scroll down".

Edit: yup, now I'm being a dick. In case you missed this the first three times I posted it, here it is again.

DWS 06 Performance Metrics:
Hydroplaning Resistance 9.4
Wet Traction 9.4
Cornering Stability 9.0
Dry Traction 9.3
Steering Response 8.8
Light Snow Traction 9.1
Deep Snow Traction 8.6
Ice Traction 8.2
Ride Quality 9.0
Noise 8.9
Treadwear 9.

Are you tortilla's second account? Because holy shit...

 

[Kelvrick]

You're confusing me with someone else in this thread that cited consumer reports as factual. I'm the one that linked and posted performance metric numbers, remember? You keep linking a chart that cherry picked a few stats where the DWS 06 either performs better, or marginally worse in just some categories while ignoring this whole "overall" concept.

I'm not a dick, usually, it's only when treated certain ways that I react, and rightfully so.

Anyways, go find the damn performance metrics like I asked for the fourth time already. Post them here. If you need instructions, it's "scroll down".

Edit: yup, now I'm being a dick. In case you missed this the first three times I posted it, here it is again.

DWS 06 Performance Metrics:
Hydroplaning Resistance 9.4
Wet Traction 9.4
Cornering Stability 9.0
Dry Traction 9.3
Steering Response 8.8
Light Snow Traction 9.1
Deep Snow Traction 8.6
Ice Traction 8.2
Ride Quality 9.0
Noise 8.9
Treadwear 9.

Are you tortilla's second account? Because holy shit...

You are just digging yourself more of an idiot hole.

The numbers you keep quoting are SUBJECTIVE CONSUMER SURVEY RATINGS compared to other tires within the same category! We are posting actual tirerack performance TESTS. How am I cherry picking? I am literally posting all their actual performance measurements.

http://blog.tirerack.com/blog/make-driving-fun/tire-comparison-charts-in-our-customer-survey-results

Where do the results and data come from?

The survey results you see on our site are independent from our own opinions and the results are an average of the submitted surveys from our customers — drivers just like you!
- See more at: http://blog.tirerack.com/blog/make-...-customer-survey-results#sthash.w8Hg6aT9.dpuf

 

[Zivic]

What? The whole point of the DWS is a compromise against dry and wet performance for some snow traction. What do you think the S in DWS stands for? If someone had no concerns for snow traction, you are correct that they wouldn't buy the DWS, they would buy a real summer/performance tire that will be better than the DWS. And all seasons will generally perform fine under 50f. It is summer compound that you'll have a problem going with when going into freezing temperatures.

you buy a tire like the DWS for a sport-ish car that you might drive year round... you aren't buying a tire for max summer grip, nor are you buying a tire for max traction in snow... you are buying a tire that handles decent at temps below 50 degrees and might handle a time or two in the snow. it is a jack of all trades and the master of none.

I am not saying the DWS is the greatest tire on the market... just that it is a decent tire for not a ton of money.

FWIW, the last set of tires I bought were a set of bridgestone RE-71R for an S2000

probably going to get a set of pilot super sports for my 350z this spring... still considering conti DW (no S) though as they are priced darn near cheap and come in a ton of sizes. I am now running the conti DW (no S) on my evo and I am happy with the price to performance and wear I am getting out of them

I will also be needing tires for my minivan.... last set of michelin defenders ... a 90k mile tire I burnt up in about 40k miles. I have a credit coming on them, so I will probably going for set of michelins again if I am forced to use it on the same brand. if not, I'd probably consider a set of continentals as well.

 

[Kelvrick]

you buy a tire like the DWS for a sport-ish car that you might drive year round... you aren't buying a tire for max summer grip, nor are you buying a tire for max traction in snow... you are buying a tire that handles decent at temps below 50 degrees and might handle a time or two in the snow. it is a jack of all trades and the master of none.

I am not saying the DWS is the greatest tire on the market... just that it is a decent tire for not a ton of money.

FWIW, the last set of tires I bought were a set of bridgestone RE-71R for an S2000

probably going to get a set of pilot super sports for my 350z this spring... still considering conti DW (no S) though as they are priced darn near cheap and come in a ton of sizes. I am now running the conti DW (no S) on my evo and I am happy with the price to performance and wear I am getting out of them

I will also be needing tires for my minivan.... last set of michelin defenders ... a 90k mile tire I burnt up in about 40k miles. I have a credit coming on them, so I will probably going for set of michelins again if I am forced to use it on the same brand. if not, I'd probably consider a set of continentals as well.

Sorry if I came across harsher than I should have. I think I just reached my limit of DWS love in this thread and snapped on someone quoting survey numbers like they were real. Although I still disagree on all seasons temperature limits and consider them ok for winter temperatures as long as you are considerate of the conditions. Summers are the ones what you really have to consider unusable in winter conditions.

If you haven't tried the PSS's, don't think twice and just do it. I have yet to talk to anyone who had experience with both the PSS and the DW's and would even consider the DW's anymore. For street use, or track use. At least anyone who cared about their driving experience.

I really like the RE-11's and consider them a real street tire that can double for track duty. Or, a track tire that can double for street duty.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Sorry if I came across harsher than I should have. I think I just reached my limit of DWS love in this thread and snapped on someone quoting survey numbers like they were real. Although I still disagree on all seasons temperature limits and consider them ok for winter temperatures as long as you are considerate of the conditions. Summers are the ones what you really have to consider unusable in winter conditions.

If you haven't tried the PSS's, don't think twice and just do it. I have yet to talk to anyone who had experience with both the PSS and the DW's and would even consider the DW's anymore. For street use, or track use. At least anyone who cared about their driving experience.

I really like the RE-11's and consider them a real street tire that can double for track duty. Or, a track tire that can double for street duty.

i had the RE050's (predecessor to the RE11) and was very happy with them. if the PSS's didn't exist, I'd have RE11's as my next tire.

 

[tortillasoup]

I'm not obsessed with consumer reports but I do like to notate various data points and they have given decent data. Like I wouldn't recommend consumer reports to tell me if my Michelin tires are prone to dry rot because I already know they are.

 

[Zivic]

Sorry if I came across harsher than I should have. I think I just reached my limit of DWS love in this thread and snapped on someone quoting survey numbers like they were real. Although I still disagree on all seasons temperature limits and consider them ok for winter temperatures as long as you are considerate of the conditions. Summers are the ones what you really have to consider unusable in winter conditions.

If you haven't tried the PSS's, don't think twice and just do it. I have yet to talk to anyone who had experience with both the PSS and the DW's and would even consider the DW's anymore. For street use, or track use. At least anyone who cared about their driving experience.

I really like the RE-11's and consider them a real street tire that can double for track duty. Or, a track tire that can double for street duty.

You need you to relax a bit... Yes the dws are fine for winter temps. And that is what they should be bought for... For colder temps. Given their Jack of all trades nature, and every all-season tire on the market, don't expect them to be anything more than barely OK in the snow. You want traction in the snow, buy a Subaru and put the best darn snow tires on it your budget allows. All i am saying is that Soup-man stating the dws being rated poor in the snow traction category is exactly where I would expect them to be. Anyone buying them as dedicated winter tires for use in heavy snow is a naïve fool

 

[Kelvrick]

You need you to relax a bit... Yes the dws are fine for winter temps. And that is what they should be bought for... For colder temps. Given their Jack of all trades nature, and every all-season tire on the market, don't expect them to be anything more than barely OK in the snow. You want traction in the snow, buy a Subaru and put the best darn snow tires on it your budget allows. All i am saying is that Soup-man stating the dws being rated poor in the snow traction category is exactly where I would expect them to be. Anyone buying them as dedicated winter tires for use in heavy snow is a naïve fool

Oh, I'm calm. I learned a long time ago not to let people on the internet get you angry, because you can't win. In my zest to argue against SSSnail, I didn't spend the time to make sure I wrote all my responses out to have them come across civilly. Tire research is hard enough for enthusiasts and I didn't want people reading SSSnail's responses as the truth.

We might have to agree to disagree regarding the DWS and snow. Nobody is comparing them to dedicated snow tires and tortilla is correctly referencing a report that while might be wrong, lists them with poor snow performance while other all season tires were getting better snow performance. And my own personal experience with them doesn't have me any more impressed than any other all season that I've had either.

That aside, I was arguing against your point of nobody buying them for snow performace while they advertise themselves as a high performance tire for the Dry, Wet, Snow. A lot of people do buy them for their advertised ability to perform in the snow.

 

[Midwayman]

Holy shit. That BFG looks every bit as good of a tire as that the DWS 06 is, maybe... Better? But CHEAPER. But that is just what I can find on the internet.

The main reason that the DWS is so popular is it is the best UHP AS in snow by a good margin. Its merely competent as UHP AS in the rest of the performance. Most UHP AS are a summer tread pattern with AS compound. The DWS typically give the more UHP tire feel with as extreme draw backs.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplayWinter.jsp?ttid=201

Most of the time I see it recommended it is specifically for its snow performance in the UHP AS sector. The other UHP tires I see mostly recommended by people who live in areas where snow is unlikely. Id say most UHP AS tires are really 3 season tires.

Your other choice is to go to GT tires for better snow performance, but you usually get sloppy, vague feeling tires in those ranges.

 

[Ferzerp]

Being the best all season tire is like winning the NIT in college basketball...

 

[SSSnail]

You are just digging yourself more of an idiot hole.

The numbers you keep quoting are SUBJECTIVE CONSUMER SURVEY RATINGS compared to other tires within the same category! We are posting actual tirerack performance TESTS. How am I cherry picking? I am literally posting all their actual performance measurements.

http://blog.tirerack.com/blog/make-driving-fun/tire-comparison-charts-in-our-customer-survey-results

My apologies, my argument was based on the belief that the metrics were scientific and not subjective.

 

[Kelvrick]

My apologies, my argument was based on the belief that the metrics were scientific and not subjective.

No worries. You'll always be my internet bro from the ikariam days.

 

[nOOky]

I usually spend about 1k or less on tires, I have 20" wheels on my Edge Sport. I get a 15% discount because I buy them where my employer has their fleet vehicles serviced, I just go in and tell them where I work and they give me the discount even if it's not a work vehicle. (Maybe worth a try for others?)

I buy based on my driving style, and the weather, we have 6 month winters here. I'd rather have somewhat more predictable grip loss on dry summer roads than unpredictable sliding on snowy roads.

 

[SSSnail]

No worries. You'll always be my internet bro from the ikariam days.

Brohug! Yeah, those were some good times, good times. I was in SG at the time and the other teams don't know how I don't sleep and hit them seemingly all hours of the day.

 

[Zivic]

Oh, I'm calm. I learned a long time ago not to let people on the internet get you angry, because you can't win. In my zest to argue against SSSnail, I didn't spend the time to make sure I wrote all my responses out to have them come across civilly. Tire research is hard enough for enthusiasts and I didn't want people reading SSSnail's responses as the truth.

We might have to agree to disagree regarding the DWS and snow. Nobody is comparing them to dedicated snow tires and tortilla is correctly referencing a report that while might be wrong, lists them with poor snow performance while other all season tires were getting better snow performance. And my own personal experience with them doesn't have me any more impressed than any other all season that I've had either.

That aside, I was arguing against your point of nobody buying them for snow performace while they advertise themselves as a high performance tire for the Dry, Wet, Snow. A lot of people do buy them for their advertised ability to perform in the snow.

because they list Dry Wet Snow in the name doesn't mean they are going to be exceptional in any one of those categories. stating the snow just means they can be used in snow... "can be" is not the same as "should be". and anyone buying these tires expecting them to be good in the snow is a fool and knows next to nothing about tires or likely cars in general.


And my own personal experience with them doesn't have me any more impressed than any other all season that I've had either.

^^^^ that is 100% exactly my point. I don't care how they are rated by users or consumer reports, they aren't going to be 'that' much better or worse than any other all-season on the market in the snow. that's not what their intended purpose is.

 

[Zivic]

Being the best all season tire is like winning the NIT in college basketball...

exactly... nobody really cares