ATOT's 4th Annual Yahoo Auction PPR KEEPER Fantasy Football League

[Crono]

My RB corps is strong, and I'm hoping TRich holds out long enough to be some bye-week filler for me. I feel good about Cutler and Tannehill, and my TE corps as well with Julius Thomas and Heath Miller.

QB:
Jay Cutler - Chi
Ryan Tannehill - Mia

WR:
Vincent Jackson - TB
Emmanuel Sanders - Den
Torrey Smith - Bal
Reggie Wayne - Ind
Andrew Hawkins - Cle
James Jones - Oak

RB:
Eddie Lacy - GB
Zac Stacy - StL
Ben Tate - Cle
Trent Richardson - Ind

TE:
Julius Thomas - Den
Heath Miller - Pit

K:
Dan Bailey - Dal

DST:
Cleveland

Your RB corps sounds like an 80s female buddy cop show: Lacy and Stacy Good combo, though.

 

[dougp]

Your RB corps sounds like an 80s female buddy cop show: Lacy and Stacy

I wanted Lacy and Vareen to be my primary RBs, tbh.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

In other news... My draft sucked balls.

 

[Crono]

I'm glad Welker is only a bench spot receiver on my team or his 4 game suspension would have hurt.

 

[dougp]

Eddie Lacy is now available for cheap ...

 

[sjwaste]

Why did Bryant and Paul for Ingram and Robinson get vetoed? It's a little unbalanced, but the only good player in any of it is Bryant and he's not setting the world on fire this season.

 

[dougp]

Because a few of us obviously felt it was a lopsided trade.

 

[Crono]

Why did Bryant and Paul for Ingram and Robinson get vetoed? It's a little unbalanced, but the only good player in any of it is Bryant and he's not setting the world on fire this season.

By fantasy points, he's the 5th best wide receiver and the 13th best player overall.

Meanwhile, Ingram and Robinson combined almost have less points than Pierre Thomas, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Travaris Cadet overtakes one of them soon.

You can discount Niles Paul as a non-factor, but even he has more points than either Ingram or Robinson. It's not like the Saints have a good track record over the past few years with using any one of their backs heavily over the other for more than a few games at a time, either... well, except the one they traded away (Sproles). And it isn't as if Ingram hasn't had an opportunity to prove himself. I'll give you that Khiry Robinson could be an okay RB2 long term, but not a single one of the Saints running backs seem to be overshadowing any of the others, let alone prove to be anywhere near as valuable as Dez Bryant.

Packaging TWO Saints RBs together isn't even better, because it's not like you can use both without severely limiting upside. That's pretty much admitting defeat at the position and in the league. There are arguably better pickups on the waiver wire this week.

 

[TangoJuliet]

Hey guys, I just realized that a trade deadline was never set. I am going to enter 11/21 as the deadline. The choices right now are 11/14, 11/21 and 11/28. The 14th is too soon and the 28th may mess with Thanksgiving.

If you have any questions or concerns please post them

 

[slayer202]

too late to join?

 

[TangoJuliet]

By trading key players last year (M. Floyd, Ellington, Lev. Bell, Luck) I was able to win the league....however, it came back to bite me in the ass this year as my team is 1-9.

So I made some trades this week to better myself for next year. Cooks and ODB should be a nice foundation. I'll have to decide on the last keeper - Forsett, Bortles, Bridgewater or Manziel. Either way, I should be in position to sell one.

Good luck everyone. Its been a super competitive league again this year. Hopefully everyone is enjoying the season and will be back again next year.

 

[Imported]

Thought you couldn't sell if you kept 3 keepers?

I'm pretty much out of it.. gotta decide for next year too.

 

[glenn1]

Thought you couldn't sell if you kept 3 keepers?

I'm pretty much out of it.. gotta decide for next year too.

Think everyone pretty much got one freebie sale candidate this year. We have plenty of time to adjust keeper sale rules for next year, and I think they need to be. We had a successful proof of concept this year, just need to figure out the mechanics to make it a worthwhile proposition for both seller and buyer while not unbalancing the league.

 

[dougp]

The selling of keepers went dramatically away from what I was hoping to when I proposed it initially. Capping the seller at $10 really limits who people are willing to let go, as they want a return of investment. I really only have 1 keeper left on my bench right now (in terms of value) but I might follow VS's idea and tag some of my higher cost guys.

 

[dougp]

OK, this trade between sjwaste and KT has me a bit perturbed and ready to call collusion.

KT is trading Leveon Bell to sjwaste for Jamaal Charles and Antonio Gates. Normally, I wouldn't care about this move, but they're playing each other this week. A win seals a playoff berth for KT and completely knocks sjwaste out of contention for the playoffs. He can still get in with a win this week, and is currently only an 8 point underdog. This trade not only makes him a 30 point underdog, but he loses TWO potential keepers, especially great value in Antonio Gates for $1.

 

[TangoJuliet]

Think everyone pretty much got one freebie sale candidate this year. We have plenty of time to adjust keeper sale rules for next year, and I think they need to be. We had a successful proof of concept this year, just need to figure out the mechanics to make it a worthwhile proposition for both seller and buyer while not unbalancing the league.

The selling of keepers went dramatically away from what I was hoping to when I proposed it initially. Capping the seller at $10 really limits who people are willing to let go, as they want a return of investment. I really only have 1 keeper left on my bench right now (in terms of value) but I might follow VS's idea and tag some of my higher cost guys.

Yeah, I think selling albeit limited seemed to work well. I think some minor adjustments can be made - and then we just need everyone to agree to them.

 

[KeithTalent]

OK, this trade between sjwaste and KT has me a bit perturbed and ready to call collusion.

KT is trading Leveon Bell to sjwaste for Jamaal Charles and Antonio Gates. Normally, I wouldn't care about this move, but they're playing each other this week. A win seals a playoff berth for KT and completely knocks sjwaste out of contention for the playoffs. He can still get in with a win this week, and is currently only an 8 point underdog. This trade not only makes him a 30 point underdog, but he loses TWO potential keepers, especially great value in Antonio Gates for $1.

Heh, had no idea I was playing him this week. He sent me the offer, I looked at it on the app and noticed I was out Bell this week, so I accepted since Charles was past his bye. /shrug

KT

Edit: I see your point though; could look wonky, however I never even spoke with sj. The trade came through Yahoo unsolicited.

 

[TangoJuliet]

Heh, had no idea I was playing him this week. He sent me the offer, I looked at it on the app and noticed I was out Bell this week, so I accepted since Charles was past his bye. /shrug

KT

Edit: I see your point though; could look wonky, however I never even spoke with sj. The trade came through Yahoo unsolicited.

In a vacuum this isnt a crazy terrible trade....however when you look at the particulars it does have hints of "wonky".

Ed still has a shot at making the playoffs - but he needs to win this week. He trades Charles/Gates for Bell who is on bye. The trade also involves both teams that are playing each other this week. If Ed loses the game which is possible even with Charles then he's done. The keeper aspect is also not in play because Bell is not eligible but both Gates and Charles are eligible.

My only guess is that Ed though Bell was a keeper and made the deal figuring he was going to lose this week anyways??

 

[glenn1]

In a vacuum this isnt a crazy terrible trade....however when you look at the particulars it does have hints of "wonky".

Ed still has a shot at making the playoffs - but he needs to win this week. He trades Charles/Gates for Bell who is on bye. The trade also involves both teams that are playing each other this week. If Ed loses the game which is possible even with Charles then he's done. The keeper aspect is also not in play because Bell is not eligible but both Gates and Charles are eligible.

My only guess is that Ed though Bell was a keeper and made the deal figuring he was going to lose this week anyways??

Maybe SJ can provide his reasoning given the particular circumstances cited?

 

[glenn1]

Yeah, I think selling albeit limited seemed to work well. I think some minor adjustments can be made - and then we just need everyone to agree to them.

Here's one proposal.

1. Everyone gets to sell one keeper for "free." Rules are the same for purchasing team. The seller gets proceeds added to their FAAB budget, calculated as 50% of the difference between Yahoo draft projected price and keeper price (no cap).

E.g. Team A purchases keeper player Joe Blow from Team B for his $1 keeper price. Team A draft budget is reduced by $1 and can now only select 2 keepers from his own roster for the coming year. Yahoo projected draft price for Joe Blow is $55, so Team B gets (55 - 1) / 2 = $27 added to his FAAB pool.

2. Additional keepers can be sold under valuation rules above, with proceeds added to sellers' draft budget (capped at $20/10% of draft budget no matter how many players sold). Each keeper sold reduces the allocation of keeper players Team B can hold for the year by the same number.

E.g. Team B, after selling Joe Blow as above, agrees to sell additional keeper player John Smith to Team A for his $1 keeper price. Team A draft budget is reduced by $1 and can now only select 1 keeper from his own roster for the coming year. Yahoo projected draft price for John Smith is $35, so Team B gets (35 - 1) / 2 = $17 added to his draft money pool and is now allowed to hold only 2 keeper players for his own team. If Team B sold a third keeper, he'd get those proceeds (up to the $20 cap) and only be allowed to carry one keeper for the coming year, etc.

The reason I advocate this approach is that it gives a big incentive to owners to offer for sale their low priced keepers and those with values far exceeding the keeper price. A lot of the proceeds will get put into FAAB budgets, thus maintaining parity in the draft and encouraging higher bids on WW players.

 

[slayer202]

Heh, had no idea I was playing him this week. He sent me the offer, I looked at it on the app and noticed I was out Bell this week, so I accepted since Charles was past his bye. /shrug

KT

Edit: I see your point though; could look wonky, however I never even spoke with sj. The trade came through Yahoo unsolicited.

saison?

 

[KeithTalent]

In a vacuum this isnt a crazy terrible trade....however when you look at the particulars it does have hints of "wonky".

Ed still has a shot at making the playoffs - but he needs to win this week. He trades Charles/Gates for Bell who is on bye. The trade also involves both teams that are playing each other this week. If Ed loses the game which is possible even with Charles then he's done. The keeper aspect is also not in play because Bell is not eligible but both Gates and Charles are eligible.

My only guess is that Ed though Bell was a keeper and made the deal figuring he was going to lose this week anyways??

Whatever, he said he was out in his note. Vetoed anyway. Never seen so many vetoed trades in a league before.

KT

 

[sjwaste]

In a vacuum this isnt a crazy terrible trade....however when you look at the particulars it does have hints of "wonky".

Ed still has a shot at making the playoffs - but he needs to win this week. He trades Charles/Gates for Bell who is on bye. The trade also involves both teams that are playing each other this week. If Ed loses the game which is possible even with Charles then he's done. The keeper aspect is also not in play because Bell is not eligible but both Gates and Charles are eligible.

My only guess is that Ed though Bell was a keeper and made the deal figuring he was going to lose this week anyways??

Well first I didn't notice we were playing each other.

That aside, this is week 12 and I need the guy ahead of me to lose out, and I need to win out. I have an outside shot, ok, but it's very unlikely.

I did think Bell was keeper eligible and that was the basis of the trade. So for that, I thank all of you for vetoing it and saving me from myself

I had a similar offer out to another person, so I'm withdrawing that. It's a fair deal as well, but if this one got vetoed, I'm not going to give someone else the benefit of being the second mover if we're trying to stay fair.

 

[KeithTalent]

I thought Bell was keeper eligible as well.

KT

 

[sjwaste]

OK, this trade between sjwaste and KT has me a bit perturbed and ready to call collusion.

KT is trading Leveon Bell to sjwaste for Jamaal Charles and Antonio Gates. Normally, I wouldn't care about this move, but they're playing each other this week. A win seals a playoff berth for KT and completely knocks sjwaste out of contention for the playoffs. He can still get in with a win this week, and is currently only an 8 point underdog. This trade not only makes him a 30 point underdog, but he loses TWO potential keepers, especially great value in Antonio Gates for $1.

It's not collusion. I have an outside chance, needing to finish 2-0 and another guy to go 0-2. There are 3 teams at 7-4 and one of them needs to shit the bed.

I did think Bell was keeper eligible, which is why I proposed it. I'm not likely at all to make the playoffs and I'm trying to get something for Charles, who is far too expensive to keep.

So while I understand vetoing because of collusion, what you actually did was stopped me from making a bad trade. That's really not how vetoes are supposed to work, but thanks!