ATOT's Second Annual Tax Time Thread!

CPA

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Well fellow Anandtechers, it's that time of year again. And for the second year in a row, myself, Eaglekeeper and others are offering our vast knowledge (cough, cough) and understanding of the tax code to provide assistance on your questions for filing your 2004 tax paperwork. But first, the disclaimer:

Please understand that the service provided here is not to be considered as the final say in any tax related question or issue. We advise everyone to take caution with accepting the answers posted here and seek a good tax accountant or tax lawyer when necessary, especially those pesky complicated questions. Additionally Anandtech nor Anand have endorsed myself or the other benevolent responders in this thread. So please don't complain to them if you feel like you got a bogus answer. Finally, this thread is NOT meant to offer advice nor do your taxes for you. It is solely to help clear up questions, concerns or misunderstandings that you may have concerning the 2004 Tax Code. None of the responders take responsibility for your final tax preparation. You do!

Oh, and please, try not to PM me or any of the other responders (usually Eaglekeeper and alchemyst). Instead, post your question here for all to see, because chances are there is another member with a similar issue.

Now, with all that said, be aware that there were some recent tax law changes that will effect those that itemize. Other than these and the normal increases/decreases for deduction, exemptions, floors and ceilings and the like, it was pretty quiet on the personal income tax front this year.

The recent changes:

1) Sales tax is allowed as an itemized deduction this year (and next year only). While it can be a little complicated, the main points of this new deduction is:
a. Publication 600 is the main reference for this deduction and contains the tables for those of us who didn't keep our receipts all year long.
b. anyone who itemized can take it, regardless of what state you are in, BUT, if you live in a state with local/state income tax you have to choose to use the sales tax or income tax deduction. You CAN'T have both.

2) This is the final year of the SUV Business Use Tax loophole. For vehicles purchased this year and over 6000 pounds gross weight, this is the last year you can expense, as business Section 179 expense, the total cost (up to $100K) of the vehicle. the weight and percentage business use is key, but it is a great way of reducing your Schedule C business income if you did it.

3) Congress just passed a resolution that will allow you to deduct Tsunami relief charitable contributions made in 2005 in 2004. You will need a receipt and you have to itemize in order to take this charitable deduction.

For those of you who enjoy torturing yourself, I present the IRS website.

I plan on posting other relavent info in this post, but for now, let the questions begin!

NEWS:

Free File is up and running at the IRS website.
 

bunker

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Okay..I'll start the bidding!

Moved this year because of work, what's included in "moving expenses" that I can write off? I've got the moving company, and gas to drive my vehicles up, what am I missing? Can I deduct meals, flights my wife took to come and house hunt with me, etc..?
 

zixxer

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first question...

my company pays for my college, I also get scholarships.


This totals about $5600. Is this added into my income and taxed like income? Is there a special form I need to fill out somewhere?
 

Hammer

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the sales tax deduction is only for state with no state income tax right? how come its only for this year and next?
 

isasir

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Ooh ooh, I have a question!

I took up a part-time commission-based job around September of last year. However, I didn't make any money from this job last year. Can I still claim my laptop, as well as gas mileage, dinners, etc. to meet clients, as a business expense and just claim a loss?

In all previous years, I have always taken the standard deduction and not itemized. If you answer yes to the above, I would be itemizing for the first time.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: Hammer
the sales tax deduction is only for state with no state income tax right? how come its only for this year and next?

I accidently hit the enter key before I finished that point. The post is now updated and should answer your question.
 

MySoS

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Is there any legal way to have someone else cary your income. I hear people doing this all the time. What is the legality of it.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: MySoS
Is there any legal way to have someone else cary your taxes. I hear people doing this all the time. What is the legality of it.

someone else can pay your taxes, but you have to pay taxes on the amount paid, because it is imputed as income to you.
 

MySoS

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: MySoS
Is there any legal way to have someone else cary your taxes. I hear people doing this all the time. What is the legality of it.

someone else can pay your taxes, but you have to pay taxes on the amount paid, because it is imputed as income to you.


I am sorry I ment carry your income not your taxes. These people could very well be breaking the law, but who knows.

Example you make 60,000 a year, you have a two friends who make 20,000 a year. You have each of them take 10,000 of your income. Thus you each would have an income of 40K, and 30K. The net taxes paid to the goverment would be less due to lower tax bracet.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: isasir
Ooh ooh, I have a question!

I took up a part-time commission-based job around September of last year. However, I didn't make any money from this job last year. Can I still claim my laptop, as well as gas mileage, dinners, etc. to meet clients, as a business expense and just claim a loss?

In all previous years, I have always taken the standard deduction and not itemized. If you answer yes to the above, I would be itemizing for the first time.

Was this a contract job or were hired as an employee?

If you were a contractor then you can file a schedule C (you do not itemize). If you were an employee than you can itemize non-reimbursed job related expenses (except mileage as it relates to you getting to the office and back home), but it is limited to the amount above 2% of your AGI. So, if AGI was $40k, then you can only itemize those costs over $800. Then you would want to have enough itemized deductions that exceed your standard deduction.
 

amish

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Originally posted by: bunker
Okay..I'll start the bidding!

Moved this year because of work, what's included in "moving expenses" that I can write off? I've got the moving company, and gas to drive my vehicles up, what am I missing? Can I deduct meals, flights my wife took to come and house hunt with me, etc..?

first, did your work already reimburse you for any of your moving expenses? if so, that amount is not tax deductable.

second, do you meet the requirements? did you move 50 mile or more, and (if you are an employee) will you work 39 weeks out of the next 12 months after the move. if you are self employeed you must work full time for at least 39 weeks during the first 12 months and for a total of at least 78 weeks during the first 24 months after you move. If you haven't met the time test by the date your 2004 tax return is due, you may still deduct your moving expenses on your 2004 return as long as you expect to meet the time test.

third, meals are not deductable.

fourth, If you meet the requirements, you can deduct the reasonable expenses of moving your household goods and personal effects to your new home. You can also deduct the expenses of traveling to your new home, including your lodging expenses.

your wife's expenses should be included in your deduction, but not the hunting itself only the moving. reasonable expenses are the packing, crating, and transporting your household goods and personal effects and those of the members of your household from your former home to your new home.

fifth, if you did this all by car you can deduct the expenses to your car. you can use the actual amounts that you have, such as gas, or you can use the 14 cent a mile standard mileage rate.

hope this helps.

amish

EDIT: almost forgot this, you can deduct expenses for only one trip to your new home for yourself and members of your household. However, all of you do not have to travel together or at the same time.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: MySoS
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: MySoS
Is there any legal way to have someone else cary your taxes. I hear people doing this all the time. What is the legality of it.

someone else can pay your taxes, but you have to pay taxes on the amount paid, because it is imputed as income to you.


I am sorry I ment carry your income not your taxes. These people could very well be breaking the law, but who knows.

Example you make 60,000 a year, you have a two friends who make 20,000 a year. You have each of them take 10,000 of your income. Thus you each would have an income of 40K, and 30K. The net taxes paid to the goverment would be less due to lower tax bracet.

That's quite illegal and won't work if you receive W2s or 1099s.
 

MySoS

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Edited: Decided to delete it.

This is another question which has to do with me, how many years can someone recieve education credit on taxes.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: armatron
first question...

my company pays for my college, I also get scholarships.


This totals about $5600. Is this added into my income and taxed like income? Is there a special form I need to fill out somewhere?


the company may indicate on your W2 that you have re-embursements for education.
If so, then those will become taxable.

Scholarships are a different animal

Scholarships - IRA Frequently Asked Tax Questions And Answers
Qualified scholarships and fellowships are treated as tax-free amounts if all of the following conditions are met:

You are a candidate for a degree at an educational institution,
Amounts you receive as a scholarship or fellowship are used for tuition and fees required for enrollment or attendance at the educational institution, or for books, supplies, and equipment required for courses of instruction, and
The amounts received are not a payment for your services.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: MySoS

This is another question which has to do with me, how many years can someone recieve education credit on taxes.



Lifetime Learning - IRS Frequently Asked Tax Questions And Answers

What is a Lifetime Learning Credit?

A nonrefundable tax credit up to $2,000 per family for all undergraduate and graduate level education. Figured by taking 20% of the first $10,000 of qualified educational expenses paid.
There is no limit on the number of tax years for which the Lifetime Learning credit can be claimed for each student.
 

luvya

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Got a question on my stock investment. I plan to sell my stocks tomorrow (1/12/05), if I do so, do I do the tax this year or next year (06)? Please give me some guidance.

Btw, I am only about break-even on my investment.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: luvya
Got a question on my stock investment. I plan to sell my stocks tomorrow (1/12/05), if I do so, do I do the tax this year or next year (06)? Please give me some guidance.

Btw, I am only about break-even on my investment.

Applies to Tax year 2005. That is when you are selling them.
File in 2006.

 

Aves

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If I'm married but my wife hasn't worked in 2004 would I be "Married Filing Seperately"?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: aves2k
If I'm married but my wife hasn't worked in 2004 would I be "Married Filing Seperately"?

No - filing Seperately is only when you are living apart of have incomes and deductions, that would be benificial tax wise, to declare them seperately

 

luvya

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: luvya
Got a question on my stock investment. I plan to sell my stocks tomorrow (1/12/05), if I do so, do I do the tax this year or next year (06)? Please give me some guidance.

Btw, I am only about break-even on my investment.

Applies to Tax year 2005. That is when you are selling them.
File in 2006.

So basically whatever I sell now, I wait til next year to do filing? I just want to make sure I get it right. Is there a specific cutoff time?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: luvya
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: luvya
Got a question on my stock investment. I plan to sell my stocks tomorrow (1/12/05), if I do so, do I do the tax this year or next year (06)? Please give me some guidance.

Btw, I am only about break-even on my investment.

Applies to Tax year 2005. That is when you are selling them.
File in 2006.

So basically whatever I sell now, I wait til next year to do filing? I just want to make sure I get it right. Is there a specific cutoff time?

Correct. Goes on the Schedule B for 2005

Cutoff is 31 Dec @ 23:59 local time

 
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