AT's Phenom review up (11/19)

[Mojoed]

Anandtech's Phenom review up.

 

[n19htmare]

Some others
http://www.hothardware.com/Art...m__Phenom_790FX_RV670/
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10427&page=1
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...spider_weaves_its_web/

No AMD chips will be going in my system.

 

[bryanW1995]

I'm going to go sell my e6750 b/c it only clocks to 3.5 for everyday use, that's only 7 ghz of power. I can buy a phenom at 2.3 x 4 = 9.2 ghz of power. that's faster, right? right? of course, with the 10+% clock speed disadvantage that's more like 8.3 ghz vs 7 ghz... of course, I just might be able to oc back that 10 %...

hector ruiz you suck. 38x0 is the only thing that has not completely flopped for amd in the past 18 mos. I just hope that there is somebody still around in a year to make drivers for my new graphics card.

 

[smthmlk]

I think everyone knew what the article was going to say months before it was written. What I didn't expect to see was comments like "The reason you're finding this rant in here today is because I am concerned for the future of the company." Comments like this from respected reviewers is very interesting and telling, I believe. This is too many flops in a row for one company to handle...

 

[JSt0rm]

ouch. I just want them to be able to compete and stay afloat. Without them we are fuxored (unless someone buys their ip) but quick question. Lets say AMD dies isn't it apart of thier x86 agreement that if anybody buys the ip they cant make x86 chips? Or am I way off here. I think I will end up picking up a 3850 video card for my htpc just to toss some money there way after I recover from my macbook purchase (intel) and my hp xeon workstation (2xintel).

 

[IEC]

God damn it. I want my AMD superiority back. I haven't used an AMD processor in about a year

AMD video cards on the other hand

 

[darkxknight]

10...foot....pole...

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: darkxknight
10...foot....pole...

What I'm interested in is AMD's second-generation Stars chip due in Q1 2008, code-named "Deneb". If this quad-core chip hits 3.0GHz+ on the 45nm process I'm going to buy it.

 

[JackPack]

Let the healing begin....

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

 

[Cookie Monster]

I wonder what kind of performance improvements there were if the AM2+ mobos were suppose to "work" like they were designed to.

It looks good for current AM2 users as its best to just pop in the new phenoms than having to convert to intel, where a new mobo is also required.

Atleast its competitive than the K8. Id like to see how this one pans out.

 

[Shortass]

Originally posted by: JackPack
Let the healing begin....

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Depression
6. Depression
7. Depression
8. Depression
9. Depression
10. Depression
11. Depression
12. Depression
13. Depression

Seriously.

 

[myocardia]

I must say that I'm not surprised. I am, however, pretty angry at Hector Ruiz, not because I was going to buy a Phenom, but because I agree with Anand's conclusion-- no competition from AMD, along with higher prices for the AMD quads will likely mean higher quad-core prices from Intel, also. Also, why haven't we seen ol' Viditor around tonight? I just knew he'd be in here defending the Phenom.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I wonder what kind of performance improvements there were if the AM2+ mobos were suppose to "work" like they were designed to.

It looks good for current AM2 users as its best to just pop in the new phenoms than having to convert to intel, where a new mobo is also required.

Atleast its competitive than the K8. Id like to see how this one pans out.

The early information made it sound like it would be a decent boost but nothing amazing, this would be mostly preparing everyone for a permanent move to this kind of design because the IMC is diverging from the main CPU in power needs. 5% maybe? We haven't seen anything to indicate that AMD's designs are bandwidth starved at the moment, so it can't be too large.

It's a bit ironic though, their split design is working backward right now; what should be running faster is running slower.

 

[PliotronX]

Just about what I expected, though I was really hoping for at least clock for clock performance parity What did surprise me was the power consumption. I just can't recommend the Phenom to anyone. If it had major OC potential maybe for us tweakers, but when you can't run it much above modest stock speeds, it's a dire situation. There's going to be quite a few disappointed AM2 users who were expecting a miracle here.

 

[Dainas]

Ugh, this makes me sick to my stomach. I'm sure AMD would not go face down before yields are up, but what a mess. First time I've felt guilty for buying what obviously was the right choice.

 

[swtethan]

in some of the benches, clock for clock AMD is close. Then again it could only reach 2.6GHz stable....

 

[gOJDO]

OK, folks. Do you remember the thread where we made our predictions?
K10 prediction thread

There were some fanboys defending K10 with a sword and a shield. Some just registered to predict clock for clock K10 45% faster then Penryn in average. Some of them were even betting on millions.

@Viditor Where are you? I feel sorry about you loosing such huge sum of money...
@jhtrico1850 Dude, you owe me 5 cool points

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: gOJDO
OK, folks. Do you remember the thread where we made our predictions?
K10 prediction threadhttp://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=2091850&FTVAR_STKEYWORDFRM=&STARTPAGE=4&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

There were some fanboys defending K10 with a sword and a shield. Some just registered to predict clock for clock K10 45% faster then Penryn in average. Some of them were even betting on millions.

@Viditor Where are you? I feel sorry about you loosing such huge sum of money...
@jhtrico1850 Dude, you owe me 5 cool points

I take back my clock for clock, even prediction, lol

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: gOJDO
OK, folks. Do you remember the thread where we made our predictions?
K10 prediction thread

There were some fanboys defending K10 with a sword and a shield. Some just registered to predict clock for clock K10 45% faster then Penryn in average. Some of them were even betting on millions.

@Viditor Where are you? I feel sorry about you loosing such huge sum of money...
@jhtrico1850 Dude, you owe me 5 cool points

Eh, some humility would be nice. As much fun as it is sticking it up to fanboys, today is truly a sad day for the industry.

 

[Sylvanas]

Got to say I love reading reviews written by Anand himself, he does great work. With the whole Lake Tahoe thing I found it quite funny Intel just packed a QX9770 in a box and sent it to AT, shows how Intel HAVE learned from their mistakes of the past. AMD however seem to be repeating the mistakes of the past, delayed product launches come to mind. I *hope* this is just a bad spell and that It'll be sunshine soon for AMD, they're needed to keep Intel honest, I don't want to be shelling out top $ in the near future. Phenom, however I think is a mixed bag, to be honest I only really care about the gaming performance as thats what I use my rig for and in that respect Phenom put in a decent showing in Crysis which is welcome news. I hope Phenom can go the way of the 38x0 series GPU's in that they are not really top performers but for their price they're an excellent buy.

 

[brandonb]

Here is another review from a flightsim/simulation perspective.

http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_120a.html

 

[AlabamaCajun]

[sarcasm]Where was the Phenom article that Lal Shimpi wrote it was all conroe and penryn.[/sarcasm]
Besides the fact that Intel pays him more or has better wine and cheese parties or beer and pizza, couldn't we have just the info on Phenom and leave all the effing Intel crap for the benchmarks and closing. [blunt]That review sucked[/blunt]. We all now this was not going to kill intels little darling since Summer and this is why intel is releasing high dollar 45nm stuff because they can make a killing. AMD drops into low, lean and mean and hopefully pulls of the next killer chip. AM2s boards will eventually reach some greatness as the AM2 line turned out to be good. I have 4 of the AM2s. Alls the AM2/AM2+ and 1207 boards are better layouts and power consumption then ANYTHING in intels basket. I just looked at 45nm hardware for a DS server and I still can't see buying those boards. Barcelona though less glorious in speed has a better power factor than it's competition with the exception of the low power xeons that might use less total RMS power.

Edit: the embolden line above was written in haste and is an error on my part. We sometimes get off on the wrong foot and write a little more than we intend. I saw the Intel Logo and Resource Center on the front page of this site upon signing in after seeing the review with reference to Page 2 which focused on an Intel product. My appologies to Anand if that is taken as offensive but I just wanted to state I was disappointed to see a review on Intel products in what should have been AMDs product. I retract the "pays him more", the wine and cheese parties might be true .

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: AlabamaCajun
[sarcasm]Were was the Phenom article that Lal Shrimpi wrote it was all conroe and penryn.[/sarcasm]
Besides the fact that Intel pays him more or has better wine and cheese parties or beer and pizza, couldn't we have just the info on Phenom and leave all the effing Intel crap for the benchmarks and closing. [blunt]That review sucked[/blunt]. We all now this was not going to kill intels little darling since Summer and this is why intel is releasing high dollar 45nm stuff because they can make a killing. AMD drops into low, lean and mean and hopefully pulls of the next killer chip. AM2s boards will eventually reach some greatness as the AM2 line turned out to be good. I have 4 of the AM2s. Alls the AM2/AM2+ and 1207 boards are better layouts and power consumption then ANYTHING in intels basket. I just looked at 45nm hardware for a DS server and I still can't see buying those boards. Barcelona though less glorious in speed has a better power factor than it's competition with the exception of the low power xeons that might use less total RMS power.

Jackpack said it best...

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: harpoon84

Originally posted by: AlabamaCajun
[sarcasm]Were was the Phenom article that Lal Shrimpi wrote it was all conroe and penryn.[/sarcasm]
Besides the fact that Intel pays him more or has better wine and cheese parties or beer and pizza, couldn't we have just the info on Phenom and leave all the effing Intel crap for the benchmarks and closing. [blunt]That review sucked[/blunt]. We all now this was not going to kill intels little darling since Summer and this is why intel is releasing high dollar 45nm stuff because they can make a killing. AMD drops into low, lean and mean and hopefully pulls of the next killer chip. AM2s boards will eventually reach some greatness as the AM2 line turned out to be good. I have 4 of the AM2s. Alls the AM2/AM2+ and 1207 boards are better layouts and power consumption then ANYTHING in intels basket. I just looked at 45nm hardware for a DS server and I still can't see buying those boards. Barcelona though less glorious in speed has a better power factor than it's competition with the exception of the low power xeons that might use less total RMS power.

Jackpack said it best...

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

lol QFT

 

[AlabamaCajun]

Still doesn't excuse the journalism does it?