AT's X1900 review

[hemmy]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
i dont understand the crossfire results, the xtx outscored the xt in crossfire mode by a healthy margin in certain games. With just 25 mhz more on the core and memory? Strangeness.


Wish i wasn't so cheap and had the balls to get a crossfire setup. already have the asus mvp...

Well T-break had the 7800GTX SLI scoring higher at 2048x1536 4xAA 16xAF than 1600x1200...

Sometimes people should look into anomalies, and if the problem persists explain to their readers they at least checked it out. Not to be greedy, but a lot of sites have weird numbers some times

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: tallman45
Realistically is the X1900 XT really a $250 better card than a 7800GT ?

it might be close to be just that for shader heavy games. Depends alot on games..
$550 is very good bang for the buck.
but we need a bench of 7800GT sli vs x1900xt to prove that..

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: tallman45
Realistically is the X1900 XT really a $250 better card than a 7800GT ?

Good question.

It's a hell of a lot better than the $700+ (and unattainable) 7800GTX "Ultra" 512MB.

It's certainly better than a 7800GTX for ~$500.

Perhaps it would be better to compare it against a 7800GT SLI? Or a ~$450 7800GTX?

IMO the cards are clearly in a different league in terms of performance; how much of a drop in price/performance you are willing to tolerate to get higher performance is a personal decision.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: beggerking
let me reword. won't it be faster if it had 20 or more texture units then?

Well, yes, but it would also have more transistors, which would drive up costs and heat output. And you eventually reach a point where more texturing won't help you either, and then you need more shaders...

R580 is built to play shader-heavy games (at which it should excel), and ATI is banking on that being the way developers go in the next year or two.

If you believe the rumors for G71 (32 ROPs/32 TMUs/32 shaders), it's going to have less pixel/vertex shading capability than R580, but more texturing capability and more ROPs. It would be better (on paper) for games with fewer shaders and more complex geometry/texturing.

Also if you look at a lot of the top xbox 360 games (non-PC ports) you see a trend towards heavy shader use. I'm betting that because of xbox 360 games utilizing a lot of shaders, you will see the same happen on the PC end in the very near future and that is probably what ATi is counting on. Personally I think they took the smart route and banked on shader performance.

 

[Keysplayr]

hehe, wouldn't it be something if the G71 shows up with 32 pipes and 2 pixel shader processors per pipe? I mean, everyone is saying that the card doesn't even exist or the specs are all rumour. So, why not.

 

[Ackmed]

Take out the 512MB GTX results, since its hardly availably (and $999 right now in stock)... and NV doesnt have a card(s) to offer high end users. (jmo) Hopefully they will rebound with the next card, and it will actually be in stock.

 

[SolMiester]

Oh, how original Ackmed!

 

[Zebo]

I'd like to see how pricing hashes out with "lower end" cards since ATI foolishly released a top of the line card so cheap. BBATI and Sapphire 1900XT are $550 at the places I checked undercuting thier slower 1800XT and even X850XT/PE in some cases and of course nVs 512.

 

[Mojoed]

Originally posted by: Rollo
This card is teh roxor!

Kudos ATI- the obvious choice at the $500-$600 price point. I have nothing negative to say about this card.

Looks like it rules the single card planet till G71 is launched.

First thing I thought of when I saw this thread was 'Rollo'. I was very curious to see how he would react/respond regarding the X1900. I thought for sure you would have attempted to bash or bring down the X1900 in one way or another. I'm glad to say I was wrong!

You sir, are indeed Fair and Balanced! :beer:

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
hehe, wouldn't it be something if the G71 shows up with 32 pipes and 2 pixel shader processors per pipe? I mean, everyone is saying that the card doesn't even exist or the specs are all rumour. So, why not.

That would be something How many transistors???

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
hehe, wouldn't it be something if the G71 shows up with 32 pipes and 2 pixel shader processors per pipe? I mean, everyone is saying that the card doesn't even exist or the specs are all rumour. So, why not.

Not to mention, dual core, right?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Oh, how original Ackmed!

He's right, you can't deny that.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
hehe, wouldn't it be something if the G71 shows up with 32 pipes and 2 pixel shader processors per pipe? I mean, everyone is saying that the card doesn't even exist or the specs are all rumour. So, why not.

Not to mention, dual core, right?

If that happened my X1900XT would be immediately sold and a pre-order placed for the G71.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
hehe, wouldn't it be something if the G71 shows up with 32 pipes and 2 pixel shader processors per pipe? I mean, everyone is saying that the card doesn't even exist or the specs are all rumour. So, why not.

That would be something How many transistors???

Probably be pushing 400million. Just a guess.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Take out the 512MB GTX results, since its hardly availably (and $999 right now in stock)... and NV doesnt have a card(s) to offer high end users. (jmo) Hopefully they will rebound with the next card, and it will actually be in stock.

It will be better this way for ATI. I will give them a little time to recoup some profits for all the time they lost when they had nothing to compete with the 7800's. So, I think they have til March to reap what they can.

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Oh, how original Ackmed!

He's right, you can't deny that.

The card is out for 2 days, on time & he's having a go @ Nvidia?........<sigh>, they should make this forum 16 & older only.

I dont see any anyone crapping over the precious 2nd round attempt X1900. Its a wickedly quick card, but not as quick as some peoples mouths!

 

[Ackmed]

dp

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Take out the 512MB GTX results, since its hardly availably (and $999 right now in stock)... and NV doesnt have a card(s) to offer high end users. (jmo) Hopefully they will rebound with the next card, and it will actually be in stock.

It will be better this way for ATI. I will give them a little time to recoup some profits for all the time they lost when they had nothing to compete with the 7800's. So, I think they have til March to reap what they can.

I agree, they need this positive light. Much like NV did after the FX mess. Perhaps NV needs its toes stepped on again, so it will come out guns blazing. Which all in all, is better for the consumer.

I wouldnt pin all my hopes on the G71. It sure looks to be a monster card from all the rumors, but I have serious doubts it will catch up in shader intensive games such as F.E.A.R. And if they cant get better AF, and HDR+AA in games where they cannot, that will hurt them as well. My opinion is that the G71 will be faster in most games other than games such as F.E.A.R.

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Oh, how original Ackmed!

He's right, you can't deny that.

The card is out for 2 days, on time & he's having a go @ Nvidia?........<sigh>, they should make this forum 16 & older only.

I dont see any anyone crapping over the precious 2nd round attempt X1900. Its a wickedly quick card, but not as quick as some peoples mouths!

Who are you again? Who says I cant have "a go" at NV? What I said was the truth. The 512MB is virtually unavailable, and the only place I can see where it is (ZZF) its $999. So as I said, taking the 512MB GTX out of the reviews, and ATi has the top three spots in most (all?) tests, with the X1800XT, X1900XT/XTX.

Precious 2nd rount attempt 1900? Whats that supposed to mean? Its right on schedule. It seems rushed, because the X1800 was so late, when in fact, its right on time. The X1800 is faster than the 256MB GTX most of the time, the X1900 just extends the lead, by a lot in some cases.

 

[SolMiester]

Yeah Ackmed, whatever you say...........

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Yeah Ackmed, whatever you say...........

Please go troll somewhere else. Thanks.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Yeah Ackmed, whatever you say...........

Please go troll somewhere else. Thanks.

Agreed.

 

[Snooper]

Maybe it was buried in the junk above, but did anyone else notice the differences between the NVidia card and the ATI card in the shading on the gun stock in Battlefield 2? The real question I have is this: Which one is correct?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Snooper
Maybe it was buried in the junk above, but did anyone else notice the differences between the NVidia card and the ATI card in the shading on the gun stock in Battlefield 2? The real question I have is this: Which one is correct?

They're not at the exact same angle so that could be why.

 

[SolMiester]

Troll?, I was repling to a troll DH!

 

[Zebo]

Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.