Originally posted by: Zebo
I'd like to see how pricing hashes out with "lower end" cards since ATI foolishly released a top of the line card so cheap. BBATI and Sapphire 1900XT are $550 at the places I checked undercuting thier slower 1800XT and even X850XT/PE in some cases and of course nVs 512.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Originally posted by: sindows
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Check out techreport's review. The SLI Gts beat the X1900 but not as big of a margin as one would hope for(at the highest resolution they tested at). I quickly skimmed over it but the differences where within 10 fps. But if game at 1600x1200 or lower, the GTs produce many more frames. It seems that ATI's new architecture thrives at high res.
It seems that ATI's new architecture thrives at high res.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Originally posted by: DrZoidberg
very nice card, too bad i dont want to spend $500+.
will ATI release a x1900xl maybe with lower clocks like 550 core/1.3ghz memory
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Yup. SLI GTs are still tough to beat for bang/buck.
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Yup. SLI GTs are still tough to beat for bang/buck.
According to the Driverheaven review, the X1900XTX is beating 7800GTX SLI in most benchmarks. Based on this, the X1900XT should easily beat 7800GT SLI.
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Yup. SLI GTs are still tough to beat for bang/buck.
According to the Driverheaven review, the X1900XTX is beating 7800GTX SLI in most benchmarks. Based on this, the X1900XT should easily beat 7800GT SLI.
I think I'll wait for the review at the website that doesn't burn nVidia cards as a publicity stunt, Morph.
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Yup. SLI GTs are still tough to beat for bang/buck.
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Yup. SLI GTs are still tough to beat for bang/buck.
According to the Driverheaven review, the X1900XTX is beating 7800GTX SLI in most benchmarks. Based on this, the X1900XT should easily beat 7800GT SLI.
I think I'll wait for the review at the website that doesn't burn nVidia cards as a publicity stunt, Morph.
Do you have a video of this, I've always wanted to see a video card burn
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Yup. SLI GTs are still tough to beat for bang/buck.
But if you want features then X1900 wins pretty much hands down (HDR+AA, AVIVO)
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Take out the 512MB GTX results, since its hardly availably (and $999 right now in stock)... and NV doesnt have a card(s) to offer high end users. (jmo) Hopefully they will rebound with the next card, and it will actually be in stock.
It will be better this way for ATI. I will give them a little time to recoup some profits for all the time they lost when they had nothing to compete with the 7800's. So, I think they have til March to reap what they can.
I agree, they need this positive light. Much like NV did after the FX mess. Perhaps NV needs its toes stepped on again, so it will come out guns blazing. Which all in all, is better for the consumer.
I wouldnt pin all my hopes on the G71. It sure looks to be a monster card from all the rumors, but I have serious doubts it will catch up in shader intensive games such as F.E.A.R. And if they cant get better AF, and HDR+AA in games where they cannot, that will hurt them as well. My opinion is that the G71 will be faster in most games other than games such as F.E.A.R.
Originally posted by: SolMiester
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: SolMiester
Oh, how original Ackmed!
He's right, you can't deny that.
The card is out for 2 days, on time & he's having a go @ Nvidia?........<sigh>, they should make this forum 16 & older only.
I dont see any anyone crapping over the precious 2nd round attempt X1900. Its a wickedly quick card, but not as quick as some peoples mouths!
Who are you again? Who says I cant have "a go" at NV? What I said was the truth. The 512MB is virtually unavailable, and the only place I can see where it is (ZZF) its $999. So as I said, taking the 512MB GTX out of the reviews, and ATi has the top three spots in most (all?) tests, with the X1800XT, X1900XT/XTX.
Precious 2nd rount attempt 1900? Whats that supposed to mean? Its right on schedule. It seems rushed, because the X1800 was so late, when in fact, its right on time. The X1800 is faster than the 256MB GTX most of the time, the X1900 just extends the lead, by a lot in some cases.
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Yup. SLI GTs are still tough to beat for bang/buck.
According to the Driverheaven review, the X1900XTX is beating 7800GTX SLI in most benchmarks. Based on this, the X1900XT should easily beat 7800GT SLI.
I think I'll wait for the review at the website that doesn't burn nVidia cards as a publicity stunt, Morph.
Do you have a video of this, I've always wanted to see a video card burn
There comes a time in a technology's life where it outlives its usefulness and is replaced by a newer, better technology. We saw the beginning of the end of the VHS recorder in the UK this week and now that PCI express is available on both the Intel and AMD platform the time has come to get rid of all those old dodgy AGP cards...we invite you to do the same.
Of course we cant just ask you to do something like that without doing so ourselves so here today is your chance to choose how we "retire" our ageing Geforce 6800 Ultra... please take time to review the poll in this thread and choose which option you would like to see most. We shall leave the poll open until sometime tomorrow (or the weekend) and the winning option will be photographed/videoed over the weekend and the results available for you to download on Monday.
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: DrZoidberg
very nice card, too bad i dont want to spend $500+.
will ATI release a x1900xl maybe with lower clocks like 550 core/1.3ghz memory
It looks like they will, since the x1900 line up is replacing the entire x1800 series. Now, the real question is will they release a x1900gto that unlocks into an xt?
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Zebo
Seems weird not to have Sli GT's in there. I still think thats the best deal in highend -around the $550 price point. Should clean up on both the 1900Xt and 1900XTX pretty handily for the same price or less.
Yup. SLI GTs are still tough to beat for bang/buck.
According to the Driverheaven review, the X1900XTX is beating 7800GTX SLI in most benchmarks. Based on this, the X1900XT should easily beat 7800GT SLI.
Originally posted by: beggerking
I thought Driverheaven was ATI affiliated...
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: DrZoidberg
very nice card, too bad i dont want to spend $500+.
will ATI release a x1900xl maybe with lower clocks like 550 core/1.3ghz memory
It looks like they will, since the x1900 line up is replacing the entire x1800 series. Now, the real question is will they release a x1900gto that unlocks into an xt?
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
First up the R580 appears to be a competent recovery from the doldrums for ATi. thats good for competition, now perhaps the can finally rid the market of r4xx derivatives (unless they still have warhouse upon warehouse full of dies like they did with r2xx).
Secondly, the 512mb 7800GTX is not unavailable, as I and other posters have shown in other threads, it is highly priced granted, but the price will fall with competition.
If you want it removed from comparisons, then I'm afraid you'll also have to accept people going back in time and removing 850PE radeons from the reviews of those times too, since the very reasons you cite for the 7800 512's removal apply perfectly to that product also. Given the way the fanATics loved to wave the 850PE around in forum threads regarding performance at that time I doubt you will be accepting my proposal...
Originally posted by: Elfear
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
First up the R580 appears to be a competent recovery from the doldrums for ATi. thats good for competition, now perhaps the can finally rid the market of r4xx derivatives (unless they still have warhouse upon warehouse full of dies like they did with r2xx).
Secondly, the 512mb 7800GTX is not unavailable, as I and other posters have shown in other threads, it is highly priced granted, but the price will fall with competition.
If you want it removed from comparisons, then I'm afraid you'll also have to accept people going back in time and removing 850PE radeons from the reviews of those times too, since the very reasons you cite for the 7800 512's removal apply perfectly to that product also. Given the way the fanATics loved to wave the 850PE around in forum threads regarding performance at that time I doubt you will be accepting my proposal...
While you make a somewhat decent point about comparing the X1900 series to the 512MB 7800GTX (even though it does have an astronomical price and very very limited availability it's still in the game so to speak) I disagree with the comparison you made to the X850XT PE. That card was widely available and easy to get your hands on. The X800XT PE on the other hand was almost vaporware for the first 2-3 months of it's life and rather hard to find.
As far as prices on the 512MB 7800GTX falling I get the feeling that Nvidia just doesn't have many of them and it will turn out like the 512MB 6800Ultra, still very expensive even though there are much better cards on the market.
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: beggerking
I thought Driverheaven was ATI affiliated...
No, that's just what Rollo would like you to believe. You probably got that idea in your head from hearing his FUD.
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: beggerking
I thought Driverheaven was ATI affiliated...
No, that's just what Rollo would like you to believe. You probably got that idea in your head from hearing his FUD.
Driverheaven is the NVnews of ATi... they are very very ati biased, as far as banning people from their forums that say negative things about ATi, as well as very one sided reviews.
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: beggerking
I thought Driverheaven was ATI affiliated...
No, that's just what Rollo would like you to believe. You probably got that idea in your head from hearing his FUD.
Driverheaven is the NVnews of ATi... they are very very ati biased, as far as banning people from their forums that say negative things about ATi, as well as very one sided reviews.
Yeah I think M0RPH is a mod there...
Originally posted by: munky
I cant be sure if DH is Ati-biased, but I do think [ H ] is Nv-biased, so I'll just ignore both on accounts of bias (we're trying to be fair and balanced here...). I do trust techreport, however, since they're one of the few sites not afraid to dig up the dirt whenever some driver cheats/hacks seem to be present, and it seems like the dual gt's still have the edge, but not by much. It's too bad they only tested FEAR at 1200x960 - anyone else see benches at higher resolutions showing dual gt's vs. xtx?