Attention System Builders

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The following is intended to be used as a frame of reference, and reflects prices and availability as of October, 2008.

Please Notice that this thread is based primarily on the Intel line of Processors.

While many parts mentioned in the thread can be part of a build based on the AMD line, please note that the Motherboard and CPU for an AMD build are not compatible with motherboards and CPUs from Intel, and vice versa. Everything in the Intel-based list at the top of the post is compatible with everything else. If you want to build an AMD CPU-based system, all the components listed are compatible except the motherboards, and I've listed a couple recommended AMD chips and motherboards at the very end of this post.


This post is intended to summarize advice that I and others have repeatedly given recently, and imho seems to represent the consensus opinion of most knowledgeable posters. It's for all potential system builders who fit into the 600 and up dollar price range category, as well as for myself so I can just reference this info in other posts rather than frequently retyping it. I'm sure there will be dissenting opinions, and please feel free to post them in response.

Any combo of any of the items on the list below should be compatible, and produce a system capable of playing any current game on medium high (Crysis) to very high (Age of Conan) to max settings (virtually every other game).

If posters think this is useful, it could be redone and updated every few weeks as prices change and new products come out.

A couple notes first:

Dual or Quad Core CPU?: No simple answer. The dual cores are cheaper. If your primary goal is gaming, dual cores outperform the quads because they'll usually overclock higher and because current games don't take advantage of the extra cores. If you multi-task or do lots of video/photo editing, then the quad will likely be better. If you don't want to update your computer for several years and want to be 'future-proof', then go quad core.

RAID 0: Though many swear by setting up two hard drives in RAID 0 to increase performance, many articles suggest the real world performance improvement is not worth the added expense, complexity, and drive failure rate. My advice would be to stick with one big drive in this price range.

SLI/Crossfire: Unless you intend to play games on a very large monitor (24 inches and up) at very high settings and resolutions (1920X1200 and up), SLI/Crossfire does not offer enough improvement in gaming performance to justify the cost in the opinion of most. It's usually not a great upgrade pathway either. The best single-card solution you can afford will usually give you the most bang for your buck (especially since the release of the new ATI Radeon 4850 and 4870 cards recently).

Nvidia chipsets: If you're not intending to use 2 GPU's in SLI (for reasons as discussed above), there's no reason to buy a motherboard with an Nvidia chipset (such as 650i, 780i, 790i, etc). Those chipsets have been plagued by more instability and problems than the recent intel chipsets (like P45, X48). If you're intent on doing SLI GPU's, then you're stuck with an nvidia chipset board however. BTW, this is another reason not to go with SLI. If you want to go with two video cards, Crossfire with two Radeon 4850 or 4870 cards from ATI is your best bet currently.

Nehalem: This is the name of the next Intel CPU family coming out within the next few months, which will reportedly outperform today's best Core 2 family chips by 20-50%. Unfortunately, Nehalem is a physically larger chip and will require a new socket - thus, you'll need a new motherboard in order to upgrade. You might keep this in mind before you drop 2-300 bucks on a new motherboard today.

"Future-Proofing":
Many people want to build a 'future-proof' system that will allow them to play the newest games at high to max settings for 3-4 years. Unfortunately, this is probably impossible since that length of time is an eternity in computing terms. IMHO, a better strategy is to build a mid-to-high end system every 1-2 years. Usually you'll be able to recycle the monitor and keyboard, often the case and power supply, sometimes even the hard drive or motherboard. For example, today for $1000-1400 you can build a system that'll play all games on high to max settings for the next 1-2 years, and you'll get more bang for your buck than blowing 3k on a bleeding edge system that'll be underperforming within 2 years. This way you'll always have a high-performing, cost-effective system. (And building computers is fun!)

Performance/Price:
System performance does not scale linearly with price. Computer systems are like sports cars and fine wines in this respect. Once you spend 1000-1400 dollars on the right components, your system will perform at least 90% as well as any desktop system available at any price.

Overclocking: Even if you've never done it before, it's so easy and the performance gain so large with the new 45nm Core 2 Duo chips that it'd be a shame not to at least consider doing it. There are fairly simple primers and guides you can read in the overclocking section of this board and others that'll walk you thru it.

OK, here goes. I didn't list prices because they change daily and differ among various sites.

The idea here is to mix and match components below from different categories depending on your personal preference and budget. This means you can choose any kind of combo you want (example: mid-range CPU, low-end RAM, high-end GPU, low-end Motherboard) and still be ok. You should be capable of selecting components below and ending up with a system ranging in price from around $650 and up. Any system made up of components from the categories below should perform at a relatively high level and run most games at mid-to-high settings, as well as perform solidly at video/photo editing, web, email, cd burning, etc etc.

Please note that for convenience the examples below link to newegg, a very popular online hardware store. You should shop around before you order to make sure you're getting the best price.

CPU:

Value/Low-End: For those on a very tight budget
Intel Pentium E2180 Allendale 2.0GHz 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819116052
Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...E16819116072&Tpk=E5200
If you're on a tight budget, then you should strongly consider these CPU's, but only if you intend to aggressively overclock imo. The E5200 in particular overclocks extraordinarily well partly due to it's very high multiplier (12.5X), and by aggressively pushing it you can match or exceed the stock-speed gaming performance of more expensive chips below, despite the smaller L2 cache.

Mid-Range (best price/performance ratio):
Core 2 Duo E7200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115052
Runs cool, overclocks extremely well, great price.
Core 2 Duo E8400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115037
Also runs cool and overclocks extremely well, in fact most will probably be able to overclock this slightly higher than the E7200. If you're not overclocking at all, then this is your choice, since at stock it runs 3.0GHz vs. 2.5GHz for the 7200.
Core 2 Quad Q6600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115017
Probably the best overclocker of the quad cores, though the 45nm Q9300 is close. This line appears to be on it's way out.
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115055
Finally, a 45nm quad core that won't break the bank. Will run a bit cooler than the Q6600.


High-End (overkill for most, but good choices if you're not overclocking and want the fastest stock CPU's, or have money to burn/want bragging rights)
Intel Core 2 Duo 8600 Wolfdale 3.33GHz 6MB L2 Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115054
The fastest dual core chip available, but currently way overpriced. The E8400 above however performs just about as well at stock speeds. For aggressive overclockers(>3.8GHz), the E8500 might be a justifiable choice however now that the price has come down because of the higher multiplier.
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115041
The top of the line Quad core until Core i7 (Nehalem) hits the streets. Certainly overpriced compared to mid-range quads above.

Motherboard:

All of the below will support the latest CPU's and GPU's. If you want to have two ATI GPU's in crossfire, then you'll need an X38 or X48 motherboard to get the full benefit. If you want to have SLI support for two nVidia GPU's in SLI, you'll need an nVidia chipset board (examples: 750i, 780i). Make sure the board you choose has the connections and features you want, (such as firewire, eSATA, wifi) since some boards do and others don't.

Low End: (this is still a good performer, overclocks pretty well, fewer bells and whistles, might be less durable than those below)
GIGABYTE GA-G31M-S2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128078
A screaming bargain for budget systems.
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128337
Rock-solid, time-tested board at a bargain price. Overclocks well. Based on a chipset (P35) one generation old however.


Mid-Range: (best price/performance ratio, overclock very well, have everything most people want/need)

GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128347
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128345
ASUS P5Q LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813131295
These three boards above are excellent examples of the brand new p43/45 Intel chipset boards, that've gotten excellent professional reviews and are highly overclockable at a great price point. Like any new board/chipset, just be aware that you may need to update your BIOS at some point for optimum performance. Please be aware that though some p45 boards support Crossfire, they only support it at X8 speed per GPU. Thus, if you really want to ensure you get the full gaming benefit of crossfired GPU's (dual X16 speed), you need to upgrade to an X38 or X48 board. A solid board that does support full-speed Crossfired GPU's in this price range is this one (for more examples, look under the 'high-end' category below):
DFI LANPARTY DK X38-T2RB LGA 775 Intel X38
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813136051

High-End: (overkill for most, overclock very well, lots of bells and whistles, full-speed crossfire or SLI capable)
ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813131284
GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX


http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128336
XFX MB-N780-ISH9 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813141005
This last board above is only for those who decide they really want to run 2 X nVidia GPU's in SLI. Otherwise, stick with one of the first two boards, as they will probably be more likely to run trouble-free.

RAM:
Get at least 2 X 1 gig, preferably 2 X 2 gigs. Go with DDR2, either 800 (fine for most) or 1066 (more expensive, only if doing very aggressive overclocking). Look for RAM with low timings (5-5-5-15 for example). Lower voltage (1.8 for example) tends to be better as well. A couple good choices below:

Two Gigs (2 X 1gig sticks) of RAM:
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231098
mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820146118

Four Gigs (2 X 2gig sticks) of RAM, midrange (best price/performance ratio):
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231122
mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820146731
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231145
this last choice is for those who want more headroom for aggressive overclocking of the CPU at about the same price as the others above. If you don't plan to overclock, you're better off with DDR2 800 RAM(one of the first two above)

Four Gigs, high-end, DDR2 1066 for aggressive overclocking (there's no point in DDR3 RAM right now - maybe when we update this thread next time?):
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231166
mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820146785

GPU:
If you want a potent gaming system, the graphics card is all-important.

Lower End - Can still play games on mid to high settings however:
PNY VCG96512GXEB-FLB GeForce 9600 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814133240
SAPPHIRE 100255L Radeon HD 4670 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814102792

Mid-Range - Excellent value currently, with prices dropping daily since the new GPU's below were released, can play all games on high to max settings:
EVGA 512-P3-N975-AR GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130380
With the recent price drops however, the HD 4850 (under 'near hi-end' below) is a faster card at a similar price.

Near High-End:
The just-released cards from ATI appear to be the new performance/cost champs. They perform at a very high level in the benchmarks, providing roughly 90% of the speed of the high-end new cards from nVidia below, at about 75% of the cost currently. They will play all current games at max or near-max settings at high resolution. For more info on putting two of these class cards together in Crossfire configuration, read more under "High-End" below. The GTX260 from nVidia falls inbetween the two new ATI cards in terms of speed, and all three are listed in order of increasing performance below:
ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814121253
EVGA 896-P3-1260-AR GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130370
HIS Hightech H487F512P Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814161236

High-End:
The 9800GX2, though based on last generations techology, will give you high end performance since it puts two GPU's together on a single slot card ("SLI on a card"). The latest generation of single slot high-end cards consists of the ATI 4870X2 and the nVidia GTX 280. Which one is faster depends on which specific gaming benchmark you review, and the setting on which it is run. With AA turned up, the HD4870X2 may be a bit faster. Both really only demonstrate their benefits on very large monitors (24" and up) at very high resolutions (1920X1200 and up) with game settings turned way up. Though the speed gained over the "Near High-End" cards above is NOT proportionate to the cost increase, the fact is they are the fastest single-slot gaming GPU's available today.
EVGA 01G-P3-N891-AR GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB (512MB per GPU) 512-bit (256-bit per GPU) GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130338
EVGA 01G-P3-1280-AR GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130365
GIGABYTE GV-R487X2-2GH-B Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814125233


On the high end, you also have to consider Crossfire or SLI configurations using two cards, but be aware that not all games/applications are written to scale appropriately - while SLI/Crossfire may produce nearly double the framerates in some games, in others there's virtually no effect at all. The best value currently in this area is probably 2 ATI 4850 or 4870 GPU's in Crossfire, which in most games outperforms the more expensive GTX280 listed above. Just make sure you choose a motherboard that supports Crossfire (for ATI cards) or SLI (for nVidia cards) if you go this route.
Example:
ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 (buy two of these in order to set up Crossfire)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814121253

Power Supply:
Don't skimp on this. If you want to overclock, you might get by with less, but to be safe most will recommend at least a 500W unit from a good company. Corsair, Antec, PC Power and Cooling, and SeaSonic are good brands. One current bargain is this quiet Antec case with quality 500W PSU included:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811129024

By the way, all the units below are really "high-end" in terms of quality. Really the only difference is how much power they're rated to supply, and thus their costs. Most systems with a single GPU will be fine with PSU's rated at 500-650 Watts.

Low-end/budget: If you have to save money, these two are excellent bargains for the quality they provide, though perhaps still a half-notch below the mid-range units below):
SeaSonic SS-500ES ATX12V/V2.2, EPS12V/V2.91, 500W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...eaSonic+USA-_-17151040
Antec earthwatts EA500 500W ATX12V v2.0 Power Supply 100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817371007

Mid-Range, two excellent choices:

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817139005
PC Power & Cooling S61EPS 610W Continuous @ 40°C EPS12V Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817703005

High-End (overkill on the PSU never hurt anything):
If you're going high-end, and want plenty of power for a high-end GPU, overclocked CPU, and multiple HD's for example, here's two that provide ample juice at a great price:
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817139006
SILVERSTONE ST75F 750W ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V SLI Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817256009

Ultra-high End (only for those building with multiple top-end GPU's in SLI/Crossfire):
If you're going with SLI or Crossfire GPU's, then I'd recommend checking the PSU's certified by ATI or nVidia for your configuration at the links below:

ATI Crossfire Certified:
http://game.amd.com/us-en/cros...ex_components.aspx?p=3
Example for 2 X 4870 GPU's in Crossfire:
FSP Group Everest 900 900W ATX12V V2.2/EPS V2.91 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817104042

nVidia SLI Certified:
http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html
Example for 2 X GTX280 GPU's in SLI:
CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817139007


Case:

Personal preference. Pick one with space for at least a couple 120mm fans for good airflow (and don't forget to buy an extra 120 mm fan if the case only comes with one). Quality brands include CoolerMaster and Antec. Lian Li is generally considered the cream of the high end. There's so many good choices, I only listed one in each category that I know from personal experience are very good:

Lower-end:
Rosewill R5604-TBK 0.8mm SECC Screw-less Dual 120mm Fans ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811147033
A surprisingly solid case at this price level.

Mid-range:
COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811119137
Very popular. Good air circulation and construction.

High-end:
LIAN LI PC-A10B Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811112122
Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811129043
This one's (also the Antec 900) is very popular with some overclockers b/c of all the fans, though I've personally never been convinced tons of fans is the answer to ideal case airflow.

Hard Drive:
How many gigs you get depends on what you're doing with your computer. For gaming only, 250gigs is enough, but if you want plenty of storage for music, video editing/files, etc go for 500gigs or more. Make sure you get an SATA 3.0gig/sec drive like the ones below. Prices per gig are so low now that you might as well get a 500+ gig drive at this point. The Western Digital AAKS series, Seagate 7200.11 series, and Samsung Spinpoint F1 series are your primary choices and are all fine, though the WD and Samsung may be slightly speedier and quieter. Good examples below:
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822136218
The drive above is particularly nice - it's considered one of the fastest 7200rpm drives available, and can be had at a great price. In fact it benchmarks pretty close to the much more expensive 10K raptor drive.
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD753LJ 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822152100

High-End:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822136284
a thousand gigs of quiet, speedy goodness.
Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000GLFS 300GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822136260
much more expensive per gig, but the fastest HD you can buy (though not by much over the WD 1 TB and 640 gig models above)

DVD drive:
Get an SATA one at this point - easier to install. In my experience, the current crop of Samsung's is quieter than the Lite-Ons. I like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16827151173
because it's quiet and speedy.

CPU Cooler:
Even if you're not overclocking, an aftermarket CPU cooler is a good idea. If you're overclocking, it's really a must.
This most effective on the market:
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835233003
The xigmatek is great, but very large and too tall for some mid-size cases. Smaller and stil very good is this one:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835186134
IMHO, water-cooling these days is not necessary b/c the CPU's run so much cooler and the aircoolers like the one's above have gotten so much better. You don't really want to try to overclock to 5.0GHz do you?

Operating System:
Microsoft has announced they're going to stop selling XP, so no matter your feelings on Vista, that's your choice unless you like Linux. Vista Premium is fine for most people, so your choice comes down to 32 bit (which has compatibility with all windows software) and 64 bit (which is faster with programs written to take advantage of it, but sometimes suffers from a lack of drivers and inability to run very old software).

Monitor:
Imho, the sweet spot currently is the 22'' widescreen LCD, in terms of price/screen real estate ratio. If you can afford a 24'', go for it - that's what I have and I love it.
Acer AL2216Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824009094

Happy building! More importantly, happy gaming!

Edit: For those interested in building using an AMD CPU, you'll need a compatible motherboard such as the one's below. By the way, I didn't break this up into low/mid/high end builds like I did for Intel, since any AMD CPU based build would probably have to be considered low to mid range compared to Intel at this point in time (here's to hoping that changes!).

AMD CPU's providing good performance/cost:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Brisbane 2.7GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103210
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103773

Well-regarded AMD Motherboards:
ASUS M3A78-EM AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...24&Tpk=Asus%20M3A78-EM
Great value/price. Has onboard video, capable of handling office tasks and low level gaming, plus a slot to add a GPU card for 3d gaming.
ASUS M2N-SLI AM2 NVIDIA nForce 560 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813131246
This one is a solid board from a great company that'll even allow you to run two GPU's in crossfire configuration if you so desire.


UnStickied by MarcVenice -- General Hardware Mod

A new one is up, and this one is getting way to old. Thank you for a job well done
 

DSF

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Good post. I would mention DDR2-1000 as an option that provides almost as much headroom as DDR2-1066 but is much closer in price to DDR2-800.
 

NoStateofMind

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What about nVIDIA's 750i chipsets? They overclock well and don't have as many issues as the other SLI chipsets.

edit: I do like the guide though.
 

chinaman1472

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Actually, the Q9450 is actually a great deal when you look at the price/performance angle assuming it fits your needs.

Great post overall, a sticky would be nice if it was updated every once in a while.
 

MarcVenice

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The second corsair ram is really expensive, 289$ ? I could sticky this, but it has to be kept up to date. I've been meaning to do this, but I haven't had the time ...

I think it needs more suggestions though, because for lower budgets a 780g mobo is pretty sweet, paired with a cheap phenom for example. 8800gts is nice, but so are the 9600gt for example. Overall the post is good, but it needs some more work?

Quality brand cases are coolermaster and antec? How about lian-li for example? There's plenty more thoug, but yeah, we kind of have to keep it 'small' before it gets cluttered and people get to many options. How about three builds, a 700$ build, a 1000$ build and a 1500$ build ?
 

modoheo

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When I click on the second corsair, the link seems correct. Price $86 at newegg. ? Try it again maybe.

I tried to keep this simple to avoid confusion, with limiting choices to the best-performing midrange products, which seems to be what most people want. I left off AMD in order to avoid incompatibility problems between the different categories of hardware.

Rather than a 700/1000/1500 dollar model build, I might suggest I update it to include low-end, mid-range, and high-end categories under each hardware type. That way individual builders could pick and choose from each category according to their preferences and budget. They might want a mid-range motherboard, but a high-end CPU/GPU for example. I'll try to update the post and you can tell me what you think.

BTW, I agree Lian Li cases rock in general, but they're very pricey, which is why I didn't put them on the list. If I add a high-end category as above, then they'll be on there for sure.
 

modoheo

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Ok, I updated the OP significantly as discussed. Any feedback or additional hardware suggestions would be welcome.
 

MarcVenice

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Looks pretty good right now, but I still think AMD should be included, when people build their own rig, they should know about AMD/INTEL needing different mobo's. It's easy to put in a note like * not compatible with Intel CPU's. I'll be gone for the weekend, I've got it bookmarked though, so if no other mod takes heed, I'll definately look at it again on sunday, so don't worry about your work being in vain ...
 

theAnimal

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Antec Earthwatts should be in Budget PSU, Rosewill is poor quality and should not.
 

modoheo

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Originally posted by: theAnimal
Antec Earthwatts should be in Budget PSU, Rosewill is poor quality and should not.

Agreed.

Based on a suggestion, I'm changing the Rosewill to this PSU:
SeaSonic SS-500ES ATX12V/V2.2, EPS12V/V2.91, 500W

OP was updated.
 

Blain

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Originally posted by: modoheo
Hope this helps somewhat.
Well if people actually read it, it may help.
But around here people usually enjoy posting their very own "Help me build" thread. :laugh:

They either don't want to take the time to read anything else or they are convinced their PC build is drastically different from the other 742 "Help me build" threads.
 

chinaman1472

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
How about three builds, a 700$ build, a 1000$ build and a 1500$ build ?

Should just do a low end (AMD and Intel), mid range, and high end. Have the prices at whatever it may be, and it should give people a start. After that, people can start their own threads and fine tune if needed.
 

Roguestar

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Decent post. Most people seem to be able to come up with these parts by themselves after some reading around and research but seeing as how only 1/20 people posting threads in GH actually search about it'll save a lot of hassle.

Perhaps add the Samsung Spinpoint F1 750GB to the hard drives recommendations too.
 

JackMDS

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A thread like this can happily live with everything else.

Every one of the posters above is Right, but it is Right only for few segments of our Multi diverse membership, and the thousands that read our posts without ever registering.

So let cut a slack to everyone. The Bold, the Shy, the One that does not know. and the many who know a lot. :thumbsup:
 

modoheo

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Thanks for all the good feedback. I'll try to keep it up to date. BTW, if anyone would like to post suggestions regarding some top motherboards/CPU's for AMD, please do, and I'll add it to the bottom of the OP. Most of the other info in the OP otherwise should apply to AMD builds as well.
 

TripleAAA

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Excellent post and I pm'd you, but I will post it here for others to comment on.

My question is when the new GPU's come out soon, how will they compare to an SLI setup when using a 24" widescreen LCD?
 

JackMDS

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Originally posted by: TripleAAA
Excellent post and I pm'd you, but I will post it here for others to comment on.

My question is when the new GPU's come out soon, how will they compare to an SLI setup when using a 24" widescreen LCD?

This Sticky Thread is Not a substitue to the Video Forum, please repost this post in the Video Forum.
 
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