attorney hypnotizes women into compromising situations

brianmanahan

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can't say i have ever heard of someone using hypnosis in this way before!

"you are gettingggg sleeeeeppyyyyyy...."

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/11/19/client-attorney-hypnotized-sex-acts/

for the lazy:

SHEFFIELD — A Sheffield attorney is under criminal investigation for allegedly hypnotizing female clients to perform sexual acts during meetings at his office and at the Lorain County Justice Center.

Michael W. Fine has not been charged with a crime, but details of the allegations against him were contained in court documents filed Tuesday by the Lorain County Bar Association seeking an emergency suspension of Fine’s law license because he “poses a substantial threat of serious harm to the public.”

Fine, who has been practicing law since 1981, allegedly preyed on two women who had hired him to represent them in domestic relations cases, according to the documents filed with the Ohio Supreme Court.

Bar Association lawyer Chris Cook wrote that one of the victims, identified only as Jane Doe 1 in the documents, hired Fine in February 2013 for $1,500 to help her resolve a custody dispute.

“After a number of meetings with (Fine) at his office, Doe 1 began to notice that she was wet in her vaginal area, that her bra was disheveled, and that she could not recall the entire duration of the meetings,” Cook wrote.

The woman also reported similar losses of time and “irregularities” following other private meetings with Fine at his office, in conference rooms at the Justice Center and following phone conversations, Cook wrote.

The woman went to Sheffield police in September and reported her unease with what was happening, Cook wrote. He wrote that she didn’t contact police sooner because “she feared that her concerns would not be taken seriously.”

Although police told her not to return to Fine’s office, the woman instead began recording her interactions with him. During an Oct. 10 conversation, Fine began by discussing legal matters, but then began asking the woman whether she was alone, the documents said.

“(Fine) then began to use ‘code’ words that induced Doe 1 to enter a trance-like stage,” Cook wrote.

Fine then began to use sexually charged language with the woman, urging her to have orgasms and told her that he was her “teacher.”

He also allegedly told her “that they have a ‘special bond,’ and that their conversations are ‘private conversations between us, nobody else, just us, right,’ that she is ‘being made love to by the world’s greatest lover,’ that she will not ‘cancel her next meeting,’ and that all she will remember about their conversation is that ‘we talked about legal matters,’” Cook wrote.

The woman later told investigators she had never agreed to engage in any sort of sexual activity or conversation with Fine, who did not return a call seeking comment Tuesday.

During an Oct. 21 conversation that the woman also recorded, Fine used similar techniques and employed equally graphic sexual commands, according to the documents. During that conversation, he also allegedly instructed the woman to bring a vibrator with her to a meeting the next day.

After the woman listened to the recording, she contacted police again and was told to cancel her appointment. After she did so, Cook wrote, Fine continued to “aggressively contact” her to schedule meetings with her.

Sheffield police then asked for assistance from county Prosecutor Dennis Will’s office and a search warrant was obtained to record the woman’s next meeting with Fine.

During an appointment on Nov. 7, the woman wore both a wire and a video recording device when she went into the meeting while investigators monitored the situation from nearby, Cook wrote.

The woman was immediately placed into a trance by Fine, Cook wrote, and he told her to sit on a couch, held her hand, rubbed her shoulder and gave her graphic sexual commands, including that “you will insist to me that I touch you in any way that brings you pleasure.”

Investigators entered the office as Fine was still describing what sexual activities he wanted the woman to engage in, Cook wrote. He also noted that police found a video camera on Fine’s desk during a subsequent search of the office.

Prosecutors had the recordings of Fine’s meetings with the woman reviewed by local psychologist Ross Santamaria, who wrote in an email detailing his findings that hypnosis can be used for good or ill.

“Hypnosis can be used in a therapeutic manner,” Santamaria wrote. “It can also be used to manipulate individuals in immoral, unethical, illegal (and) inappropriate ways.”

Based on his review, Santamaria concluded that “Fine has experience using hypnosis and that he is using it for his own sexual gratification and not for the benefit of the client.”

A second woman, identified in the documents as Jane Doe 2, also has accused Fine of trying to hypnotize her after she hired him in September to help her with divorce proceedings.

During her meetings with Fine, the woman reported that he made comments about her appearance, suggested she remove her coat and sweater and discussed relaxation and meditation techniques.

The second woman also reported that she felt a “loss of time” during her meetings with Fine and brought up that she thought Fine was trying to hypnotize her to Joel Fritz, a lawyer with Fine’s former law firm, Smith, Illner & Gemelas.

Fritz recommended that she get in touch with Will’s office, Cook wrote.

Gemelas said Tuesday that members of his firm were “deeply disturbed and shocked” by the allegations against Fine. He said the firm cut ties with Fine about a month ago over unrelated issues.

“We were completely unaware of any of these alleged wrongdoings and are deeply saddened that our clients may have been harmed in any way,” Gemelas said.

Cook said that there is no evidence that any other attorneys were involved in Fine’s alleged activities.
 

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In before the airheads come in claiming hypnosis isn't real.

Yeah that and time, and the latest one I saw on these boards: Gravity.

Yes I kid you not just today one of you numbskulls posted he doesn't believe gravity is real. What would really be funny is if he was a God fearing republican, you know, as if that is a good trait. hah!
 

brianmanahan

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In before the airheads come in claiming hypnosis isn't real.

Yeah that and time, and the latest one I saw on these boards: Gravity.

Yes I kid you not just today one of you numbskulls posted he doesn't believe gravity is real. What would really be funny is if he was a God fearing republican, you know, as if that is a good trait. hah!

disappoint, your train of thought is hard to follow
 

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disappoint, your train of thought is hard to follow

I can see why. I didn't provide much information. I was just ranting at how subjective reality is for people, and yeah my communication skills may need some work, but I can't write a book in a post either.

ok so a little more info.

List of things I see some, in some cases too many, people hilariously think are not real, but are:
1. hypnosis
2. time
3. gravity <---not many but hilariously not 0

List of things people hilariously think are real but aren't:
1. God
2. souls
3. aliens <---not many on these boards but among population hilariously not 0, but should be 0
4. speaking with dead people
5. transubstantiation <--how far into insanity will your fear take you? apparently this far at least for some people.
6. consciousness as some magical entity rather than just something that emerges from many neurons working in unison obeying physical laws.

So basically what I'm saying is people fight reality tooth and nail for various reasons, and this can be a source of amusement, sad, disgusting or deplorable depending on various factors or on a case by case basis.

The reason I didn't post this before is because those things are not the topic of the OP.
So we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming: Hypnosis.

Btw, if you want to see some funny hypnosis search Derren Brown on youtube.
 
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sportage

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ooooOOOOOoooooOOOOO
You will pay your bill... YOU will pay YOUR bill... YOU WILL pay YOUR bill...
Now take off you clothes and PAY YOUR BILL
oooOOOoooOOOOoooo
 

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jhu

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In before the airheads come in claiming hypnosis isn't real.

Yeah that and time, and the latest one I saw on these boards: Gravity.

Yes I kid you not just today one of you numbskulls posted he doesn't believe gravity is real. What would really be funny is if he was a God fearing republican, you know, as if that is a good trait. hah!

There is no gravity. It's intelligent falling.
 

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Lifer
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There is no gravity. It's intelligent falling.

Or intelligence failing?

And now back to Derren Brown.

I checked out another video on him and the first youtube comment:

Scione S
5 months ago

Mind controlling doesn't work on me cause I don't pay attention when people talk.&#65279;
haha! that's when it works the best!

Oh yeah a link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vz_YTNLn6w
 
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I'm not saying the guy is guilty as I don't know the full details, but this was interesting:

The woman also reported similar losses of time and &#8220;irregularities&#8221; following other private meetings with Fine at his office, in conference rooms at the Justice Center and following phone conversations, Cook wrote.

Forgetting is something that naturally happens with the human mind. Every one of you has forgotten many things lots of times. It's not unusual for hypnosis to be able to induce forgetfulness. So it lends some credence to the victim's story.
 

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You know nothing. Nothing!!

It's fine it's really fine forget you're really busy close the forums and do what you should be doing go now time is of the essence stop wastingit on here did I misspell waistreadthisquicklyit'snotimportant no I'm sure I didn't forget it I maid a mistake it's ok everything is fine you feel fine now the guy's name is fine will he be fined don't get confused it's ok don't use this ability four evil you'r beter than thatveryhting will be ok ok bye nowdid you avert your gaze did you stop readinglolthat'sfunny you're not going to be hypnotizedoverthe internet just relaxdisappointisreallythebstposterhereyoulik e him alot he'ksnodwlrelaxdgableandhelpful andshoulbelite.
 
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It's fine it's really fine forget you're really busy close the forums and do what you should be doing go now time is of the essence stop wastingit on here did I misspell waistreadthisquicklyit'snotimportant no I'm sure I didn't forget it I maid a mistake it's ok everything is fine you feel fine now the guy's name is fine will he be fined don't get confused it's ok don't use this ability four evil you'r beter than thatveryhting will be ok ok bye nowdid you avert your gaze did you stop readinglolthat'sfunny you're not going to be hypnotizedoverthe internet just relaxdisappointisreallythebstposterhereyoulik e him alot he'ksnodwlrelaxdgableandhelpful andshoulbelite.

You son of a bitch, why does my ass hurt?
 

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You son of a bitch, why does my ass hurt?

I have no idea what you're talking about? Hemerroids would be my best guess. Why I posed that as a question? Not that, the other one/ Who am I askeing what? I don't know. Don't worry you're not going to be hipmotized over the internet, see how you saw right throbeyugh that last post by me"?"?
forget
:ninja::sneaky:
 

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lol his movements and speech change speed, sometimes it's so fast, even if you knew about it I'm not sure you'd catch it. But especially if you didn't.

Wonder how long he has practiced these NLP techniques. Or how often they work or fail. It's just as funny when it doesn't work like with the hot dog vendor up abovebtwthanksforthetiponthespellingearlier.

I knew you'd catch that I'm not tying to put one over on you
 

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Mods I'm just joking around. You can't hypnotize people over the internet but if you want me to stop kidding around like that I will pls don't ban me k thx.
 
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