Australia to ban incandescent bulbs

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: Engineer
I've replaced 55 bulbs in my home so far. Only a few left to go and they are the small base bulbs.

(Oh, and my garage door opener won't accept a CFL bulb and my outdoor post lamp is photo controlled via dim-up and dim-down so no CFL there either)

55!!!!

My house has a grand total of like 15-20

With a name like Electric Amish, I would expect nothing more!

Lots of ceiling fans and vanity mirrors in the bathroom.

As for life of bulbs and other issues, I've had 2 bulbs burn out in 2 years and both were the cheap bulbs bought at Big Lots. All bulbs I've bought recently (last year) have had no issues.

By the way, why do people in the US give a flip about what Australia does?

 

[paulney]

How can you not notice the difference in lighting between an inc. and a CFL light? CFL is much much harsher and turns an evening atmosphere into an office/hospital reception room. There's no way in hell I'll replace my living room/bedroom lights with CFL.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007
What a craptastic idea. Where do knuckleheads come up with these ideas?

I truly hate, I mean HATE politicians.

why do you think its a craptastic idea?

Your kidding right?

You mean, you dont see something even a little bit wrong with the government forcing you to use a certain LIGHT BULB? I mean passing a law that makes it ILLEGAL to use a certain LIGHT BULB.

Your ok with that?!

yea. i should be able to run leaded gasoline as well as a car without a catalytic converter. screw the environment, i want to be able to live the way I want. the world revolves around ME. ME ME ME ME ME.
oh but CFL bulbs will save me money in the long run...so the govt is really trying to help me?! no wai!

no but seriously, i agree with Queasy that marketplace will eventually switch over to CFL bulbs, but that will be slow. In this case, i see nothing wrong with govt trying to expedite the process a bit

Haha, I always love how liberals reach for kneejerk reactions.

So please, put up some facts. Show me that incan's pollute as much as leaded gasoline cars. In fact, why dont you show me how much a regular incan does pollute. I bet taking you car around the block once pollutes more then if you ran every light in your house for a month.

But lets not let facts and reason get in the way of a good emotional kneejerk law!

Great. Anything else you'd like to add, or does this sufficiently prove your stupidity? I hope you're 12 years old, because you sound as ignorant as one.

It's about energy efficiency, moron. And about heat output (switching your light from incandescent will save gobs of money energy wise, and during summer reduce the heat output in your home...saving even more energy)

Please provide us with more moronic statements, and reasons you think that an obvious techonological improvement somehow follows along party lines....Moron.

i dont condone your name calling, but you shouldnt have bothered responding to his post. i didnt bother for the exact reason as the part you highlighted in bold. its just not worth my time

I was eating at the time, and had to do something else with my fingers while cleaning up the vomit from my keyboard in response to such simple-minded comments. Sometimes, I can't help myself. Like on American Idol, some people just need it pointed out to them that they are stupid/worthless.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

I think all of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill due to the article's ambiguity.

Legislation to gradually restrict the sale of the old-style bulbs could reduce Australia's...

Australia does not seem to be forbidding consumers to stop consuming a product that is currently being sold. Australia seems to be forbidding the sale of such products. There's a big difference. It is the nation of Australia forbidding a certain product from being sold to their country. I don't see anything "police state" about this action.

Every single country does this sort of thing. For the US, such examples are cocaine and foreign cars that do not meet our safety and/or emissions standards. Incandescents simply do not meet the lowered power consumption standards that Australia has set for its nation. What if the US set tighter emissions standards for cars? That would effectively phase out the sale of cars that are currently on the borderline of current standards, but it's hardly a Big Brother move...

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Amused
When you add up all those "small insignificant ones" you end up losing all your freedoms.

i agree with that statement. govt will inherently try to expand and try put more leashes on us. The trick is to know which ones to let slide and which ones to fight because you cant fight everything.

And it's not like you don't care. You have been arguing in favor of such a rule in this thread.

I'm not arguing in favor of a rule this. Im arguing for an apathetic view of this specific case since IMO light bulbs is such an insignificant matter that it doesnt really matter.

I posted this as my edit in the other post you quoted, but I was too late...I will post it in this post again:

IMO, me not being able to buy incandescent bulbs doesnt really bother me...especially since market will eventually swing towards that anyways. Federal officials keeping people in jail w/o any proof or access to a lawyer or due process bothers me. FBI not requiring a search warrant to search thru my house or not being obligated to inform me of said search bothers me

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007
What a craptastic idea. Where do knuckleheads come up with these ideas?

I truly hate, I mean HATE politicians.

why do you think its a craptastic idea?

Your kidding right?

You mean, you dont see something even a little bit wrong with the government forcing you to use a certain LIGHT BULB? I mean passing a law that makes it ILLEGAL to use a certain LIGHT BULB.

Your ok with that?!

yea. i should be able to run leaded gasoline as well as a car without a catalytic converter. screw the environment, i want to be able to live the way I want. the world revolves around ME. ME ME ME ME ME.
oh but CFL bulbs will save me money in the long run...so the govt is really trying to help me?! no wai!

no but seriously, i agree with Queasy that marketplace will eventually switch over to CFL bulbs, but that will be slow. In this case, i see nothing wrong with govt trying to expedite the process a bit

Haha, I always love how liberals reach for kneejerk reactions.

So please, put up some facts. Show me that incan's pollute as much as leaded gasoline cars. In fact, why dont you show me how much a regular incan does pollute. I bet taking you car around the block once pollutes more then if you ran every light in your house for a month.

But lets not let facts and reason get in the way of a good emotional kneejerk law!

Great. Anything else you'd like to add, or does this sufficiently prove your stupidity? I hope you're 12 years old, because you sound as ignorant as one.

It's about energy efficiency, moron. And about heat output (switching your light from incandescent will save gobs of money energy wise, and during summer reduce the heat output in your home...saving even more energy)

Please provide us with more moronic statements, and reasons you think that an obvious techonological improvement somehow follows along party lines....Moron.

So you support banning light bulbs? Let me guess. "For the children" right?

Of all the laughable and insane things.

Yes! Lets ban fvkcing LIGHT BULBS! It'll save the world!

I actually chuckled that your so serious about such an assinine law.

It's about incandescent light bulbs. I'm not even commenting on the ban either way, which is kind of silly. I'm merely commenting on your idiocy

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: paulney
How can you not notice the difference in lighting between an inc. and a CFL light? CFL is much much harsher and turns an evening atmosphere into an office/hospital reception room. There's no way in hell I'll replace my living room/bedroom lights with CFL.

As has been mentioned a few times, different bulbs give off different light. My GF is really picky about it, and she's happy with the ones we have in the living room.

 

[mrjminer]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: mrjminer

Originally posted by: Citrix

sure thats easy. coal is burned to make eletricty, now if you have 5 million 100w incandecent bulbs buring that is a lot of coal just to power lights. now if the light bulbs are replaced that use less wattage for example the 23w CLF that is equal to a 100w bulb that gives off the same amount of light that is a lot of power conversation. replace the 5 million lights with CFL's and thats and a whole lot less coal being burned and whole less C02 being pumped into the world just to power lights.

So tell me, did you thorw a fit when the government banned freon and made all of use another product that is a whole lot less damaging to the environment and did the same thing?

Then your argument would be that we need to switch from using coal to produce electricity to get to the root of the problem. Try again.

you try again, that wasnt my arguement at all.

[/quote]

Doesn't matter what you think your argument is, you've identified the real problem as being fossil fuels. As I said, try again and, perhaps, you can come up with something that shows an actual problem directly related to the use of incandescent bulbs. Indeed, they use more energy, but the problem is not the amount of energy they use, the problem is the production of energy itself.

Try again.

 

[OrangeJellyDisk]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: OrangeJellyDisk

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Its sad to see so many people support the government nanny state mindset.

Maybe the .gov should also tell you when you can use those lights. You know, a national "bedtime" for everyone.

You're totally the reason the rest of the world hates Americans. Never willing to even consider such a small non life modifying change purely because its not part of your own personal agenda.

They are only talking about light bulbs its hardly a huge deal and the fact is regardless of what you selfish moronic comments have been, it will reduce greenhouse by a small amount of the next 10yrs. All and any move that helps reduce the greenhouse build up is a good one especially something so simple as using a diff lightbulb...

What if my house is filled with specialty and low voltage lighting that cannot possibly be replaced with fluorescent without major remodeling?

Freedom is paramount. Individual freedom is what the US was founded on. You can hate us all you like for that and be happy living like a drone. Most of us in the US choose not to, thank you very much.

Thats the problem though isnt it, your actions are at the direct expense of the rest of the world community. You take the selfish stance of "well aslong as we are happy in our country who cares that we are producing 3 times more emmsions than anyone else. It reminds of all the american "Wolrd series" with only american teams in them . What you does does affect other countrys therfore you should atleast attempt to be part of the solution, I see no reason to rag on those who are actually attempting to curb their emmsions no matter how small the change, which according to the news etc is actually quite a big change with the +50% reduction in coal burning that aussie will have once all bulbs are swapped.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: TheGizmo
oh and I have tried the GE brand "Soft White 100" which is a 26w CFL supposedly as bright as 100w. I might go as far as to say that it is indeed as bright as the 100w incandescent, but there is something about the light... maybe the color, that I do not like. I find it to be almost a cloudy light. I switched back to incandescent until I can find a more clear/better color CFL. Anyone have any specific makes/models they know come close to matching the clarity and color of a standard incandescent bulb?

Originally posted by: cubby1223
This thread just confirms that while everyone believes energy conservation and global warming needs to be addressed, they only believe in it as long as the burden to change habits falls on someone else.

CF bulbs are fine, but you have to get the right brand. My bedroom has a Philips brand and it's great. The bathroom has GE brand and, well, they just flat out suck.

GE CFL bulbs suck. 4 burned out in my bathroom. Switched to Sylvania and they're awesome. better light than GE ones too

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Amused
When you add up all those "small insignificant ones" you end up losing all your freedoms.

i agree with that statement. govt will inherently try to expand and try put more leashes on us. The trick is to know which ones to let slide and which ones to fight because you cant fight everything.

An additional trick is to let slide those imposed regulations that the majority thinks are GOOD IDEAS. Really, when all is said and done, the majority of Australians will probably think switching to fluorescent bulbs is a good idea. Just like the majority of Americans think wearing your seat belt is a good idea. A few here and there are always going to cry "Big Brother," but they're really just fighting an uphill battle because the majority simply thinks they're wrong. Too bad I guess.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: OrangeJellyDisk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: OrangeJellyDisk

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Its sad to see so many people support the government nanny state mindset.

Maybe the .gov should also tell you when you can use those lights. You know, a national "bedtime" for everyone.

You're totally the reason the rest of the world hates Americans. Never willing to even consider such a small non life modifying change purely because its not part of your own personal agenda.

They are only talking about light bulbs its hardly a huge deal and the fact is regardless of what you selfish moronic comments have been, it will reduce greenhouse by a small amount of the next 10yrs. All and any move that helps reduce the greenhouse build up is a good one especially something so simple as using a diff lightbulb...

What if my house is filled with specialty and low voltage lighting that cannot possibly be replaced with fluorescent without major remodeling?

Freedom is paramount. Individual freedom is what the US was founded on. You can hate us all you like for that and be happy living like a drone. Most of us in the US choose not to, thank you very much.

Thats the problem though isnt it, your actions are at the direct expense of the rest of the world community. You take the selfish stance of "well aslong as we are happy in our country who cares that we are producing 3 times more emmsions than anyone else. It reminds of all the american "Wolrd series" with only american teams in them . What you does does affect other countrys therfore you should atleast attempt to be part of the solution, I see no reason to rag on those who are actually attempting to curb their emmsions no matter how small the change, which according to the news etc is actually quite a big change with the +50% reduction in coal burning that aussie will have once all bulbs are swapped.

China will be passing the USA in a couple of years in terms of emission. India as well. The USA is actually fairly efficient with emissions considering we produce a substantial bit of the world's GDP.

If the BANANAs (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything) in the USA would get out of the way we could probably be even more efficient with producing energy with Nuclear and Wind power.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: TheGizmo
oh and I have tried the GE brand "Soft White 100" which is a 26w CFL supposedly as bright as 100w. I might go as far as to say that it is indeed as bright as the 100w incandescent, but there is something about the light... maybe the color, that I do not like. I find it to be almost a cloudy light. I switched back to incandescent until I can find a more clear/better color CFL. Anyone have any specific makes/models they know come close to matching the clarity and color of a standard incandescent bulb?

"Soft white" CFL bulbs have the poorest light quality. Go somewhere that stocks a wide variety of CFLs and get the ones that claim to be like natural daylight (don't remember what the boxes say exactly.) It's the same difference you see between "Reveal" and "soft white" incandescent bulbs, the light spectrum is really different.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: OrangeJellyDisk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: OrangeJellyDisk

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Its sad to see so many people support the government nanny state mindset.

Maybe the .gov should also tell you when you can use those lights. You know, a national "bedtime" for everyone.

You're totally the reason the rest of the world hates Americans. Never willing to even consider such a small non life modifying change purely because its not part of your own personal agenda.

They are only talking about light bulbs its hardly a huge deal and the fact is regardless of what you selfish moronic comments have been, it will reduce greenhouse by a small amount of the next 10yrs. All and any move that helps reduce the greenhouse build up is a good one especially something so simple as using a diff lightbulb...

What if my house is filled with specialty and low voltage lighting that cannot possibly be replaced with fluorescent without major remodeling?

Freedom is paramount. Individual freedom is what the US was founded on. You can hate us all you like for that and be happy living like a drone. Most of us in the US choose not to, thank you very much.

Thats the problem though isnt it, your actions are at the direct expense of the rest of the world community. You take the selfish stance of "well aslong as we are happy in our country who cares that we are producing 3 times more emmsions than anyone else. It reminds of all the american "Wolrd series" with only american teams in them . What you does does affect other countrys therfore you should atleast attempt to be part of the solution, I see no reason to rag on those who are actually attempting to curb their emmsions no matter how small the change, which according to the news etc is actually quite a big change with the +50% reduction in coal burning that aussie will have once all bulbs are swapped.

Ahh.. the attack on Americans. The amusing part is that no one said anything about not saving electricity, we think it's stupid that you people need to be legislated to death. There is no better way to spend tax payers money than to stop the sales of light bulbs?

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I think all of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill due to the article's ambiguity.

Legislation to gradually restrict the sale of the old-style bulbs could reduce Australia's...

Australia does not seem to be forbidding consumers to stop consuming a product that is currently being sold. Australia seems to be forbidding the sale of such products. There's a big difference. It is the nation of Australia forbidding a certain product from being sold to their country. I don't see anything "police state" about this action.

Every single country does this sort of thing. For the US, such examples are cocaine and foreign cars that do not meet our safety and/or emissions standards. Incandescents simply do not meet the lowered power consumption standards that Australia has set for its nation. What if the US set tighter emissions standards for cars? That would effectively phase out the sale of cars that are currently on the borderline of current standards, but it's hardly a Big Brother move...

i pointed this out before. but noone paid any attention

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: mrjminer

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: mrjminer

Originally posted by: Citrix

sure thats easy. coal is burned to make eletricty, now if you have 5 million 100w incandecent bulbs buring that is a lot of coal just to power lights. now if the light bulbs are replaced that use less wattage for example the 23w CLF that is equal to a 100w bulb that gives off the same amount of light that is a lot of power conversation. replace the 5 million lights with CFL's and thats and a whole lot less coal being burned and whole less C02 being pumped into the world just to power lights.

So tell me, did you thorw a fit when the government banned freon and made all of use another product that is a whole lot less damaging to the environment and did the same thing?

Then your argument would be that we need to switch from using coal to produce electricity to get to the root of the problem. Try again.

you try again, that wasnt my arguement at all.

Doesn't matter what you think your argument is, you've identified the real problem as being fossil fuels. As I said, try again and, perhaps, you can come up with something that shows an actual problem directly related to the use of incandescent bulbs. Indeed, they use more energy, but the problem is not the amount of energy they use, the problem is the production of energy itself.

Try again.

Seat belts and cars. You're a country thinking about mandating the installation and use of seat belts in all cars, but this will cost considerable money as well as incite a continued uprising from the people who feel government should not have the power to dictate "how they drive their car."

Bad drivers and out-of-your-control events cause accidents. That is the root of the problem. That is the "real problem." But all too often the root problem is too big. Thus we create solutions to lessen their impact. It is very hard to eliminate the root problem of car accidents, so we install seat belts and mandate their use to lessen the problems that will arise from accidents.

My point is that just because there is a root problem, there is absolutely nothing wrong with finding smaller solutions to small parts of the root problem. Sure, it may only be a marginal improvement, but it's worthwhile if the marginal improvements outweigh the costs, and in the case of fluorescents, I believe this is the case. If benefits outweigh the costs, DO IT.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: OrangeJellyDisk
It reminds of all the american "Wolrd series" with only american teams in them .

Canada has a team in MLB. They've won two World Series.

Which reminds me (and sidetracks this pointless lightbulb argument), what happened to the World Baseball Classic? I actually don't mind that it's gone, it only screws up pitchers for the regular season.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: Aharami

i pointed this out before. but noone paid any attention

I skipped the four pages of liberal vs. conservative mud-slinging.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: OrangeJellyDisk
It reminds of all the american "Wolrd series" with only american teams in them .

Canada has a team in MLB. They've won two World Series.

Which reminds me (and sidetracks this pointless lightbulb argument), what happened to the World Baseball Classic? I actually don't mind that it's gone, it only screws up pitchers for the regular season.

The WBC is not an every year thing. It may not even happen again after last year because of one of the reasons you just cited. It is scheduled again for 2009 though.

 

[imported_Imp]

I think it's a great idea. I don't think there's more than 1 or 2 incandescent bulbs in my entire house. Jus a few weeks ago a 60W inc. burned out, and I was pretty happy putting a 20W cfl in it's place. I can't even tell the difference between the lights anymore. Seems like it's only the fl. tubes at offices that I hate.

As for it being a law. Seriously, do you trust market forces and capitalism to actually work properly in a timely manner?

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Tell me with a straight face my light bulb selection is contributing to global warming.

Please. Try it.

sure thats easy. coal is burned to make eletricty, now if you have 5 million 100w incandecent bulbs buring that is a lot of coal just to power lights. now if the light bulbs are replaced that use less wattage for example the 23w CLF that is equal to a 100w bulb that gives off the same amount of light that is a lot of power conversation. replace the 5 million lights with CFL's and thats and a whole lot less coal being burned and whole less C02 being pumped into the world just to power lights.

So tell me, did you thorw a fit when the government banned freon and made all of use another product that is a whole lot less damaging to the environment and did the same thing?

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Seat belts and cars. You're a country thinking about mandating the installation and use of seat belts in all cars, but this will cost considerable money as well as incite a continued uprising from the people who feel government should not have the power to dictate "how they drive their car."

I know of some people who still drink alcohol while driving, because that's what they were used to doing when they lived in Texas. And they seriously are not going to let the government tell them how they can and cannot drive their car.

It just shows how utterly rediculous the arguments of others here are...

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Aharami

i pointed this out before. but noone paid any attention

I skipped the four pages of liberal vs. conservative mud-slinging.

Typical liberal! :roll:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
What a craptastic idea. Where do knuckleheads come up with these ideas?

I truly hate, I mean HATE politicians.

The U.S. should ban them just to piss Spec off :laugh:

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
While I use and prefer the CFL bulbs myself, its not the government's business what light bulbs I choose to use in my own home. If I'm paying for the incandescent bulbs, and their higher electrical costs, thats my concern.

If you want to help the environment, focus on something that actually matters.

Who needs to worry about something silly like energy conservation? What would those oil sheiks do without billions of dollars from the US they get each year?