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Ayn Rand, Edgar Allan Poe, Ernest Hemingway and a hundred others. I often found myself lost when discussing literature with literary buffs. Wish I had time to catch up and cover a good number of the 'basics'. I'm more of a popular fiction type (Adams, King, Palahnuik etc.).
 

Arcadio

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You're probably joking, but in the past two years I finally got around to reading about 7 or 8 of Shakespeare's plays that I'd Clif's Notes'd my way through in high school. And I loved them. I consider Hamlet to be among my favorite pieces of literature.

I wasn't joking. I've always wanted to read Shakespeare.
 

Born2bwire

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You're probably joking, but in the past two years I finally got around to reading about 7 or 8 of Shakespeare's plays that I'd Clif's Notes'd my way through in high school. And I loved them. I consider Hamlet to be among my favorite pieces of literature.

To answer the OP, I want to go back and read all the authors that I avoided reading in high school, all the classics. Fitzgerald, Hemingway, etc.

And gentlemen in England now abed shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day.

Steinbeck is definitely worth a read. I love how Grapes of Wrath opens. "To the red country and part of the gray country of Oklahoma, the last rains came gently, and they did not cut the scarred earth."

I tried picking up Hemingway the other day but lost interest and wandered onto some other books I have lying around. I read Dicken's Christmas Carol in the spirit of the season and it was very good. I'll try to remember to move onto his other works like David Copperfield and so forth when I have finished my current queue. Hmmm... I just finished another Jules Verne and I liked the new translation but I should reread Journey to the Center of the Earth to confirm as I picked up one of the more infamous translations when I read it recently.

Oh, I got it! I picked up a James Fenimore Cooper novel and lost track of it. I should go back and finish it.
 

Scotteq

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H L Menken - Merciless, and (in the words of another forum poster) Caustically funny social commentary. DOOOOOO EEEEEETTT!!!


Hunter S Thompson...


Regarding the Shakespeare post earlier: I found the plays a little hard to digest because of the format they're (by necessity) written in. The Sonnets, OTOH, are amazing.
 
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SlitheryDee

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Can't think of any. The only authors I think I "should" read are the ones that entertain me. That's what I read for 100% of the time. I don't try to improve myself or get something extra out of reading. That would be work. Besides, I end up getting more out of it this way than I would slogging through some cryptic and boring tome that I barely remember after I'm done anyway. That may not be what the OP meant, but I don't like to think of any author as someone that I "should" or "ought" to read, as though I'm incomplete intellectually without them. I don't read for that.

That said, some of the "Literary" authors are surprisingly engaging. I don't hesitate to try them when the mood strikes me. I loved "For Whom the Bell Tolls", a lot of Dickens' books, "The Catcher in the Rye", and just about everything H.G. Wells ever wrote.
 

Born2bwire

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H L Menken - Merciless, and (in the words of another forum poster) Caustically funny social commentary. DOOOOOO EEEEEETTT!!!


Hunter S Thompson...


Regarding the Shakespeare post earlier: I found the plays a little hard to digest because of the format they're (by necessity) written in. The Sonnets, OTOH, are amazing.

Yeah, the hardest part for me is figuring out how to read it in terms of the pacing and structure. Watching an actor perform the scene usually makes it click instantly.
 

Malak

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Currently, having a great time enjoying Frank Herbert's wonderful Dune series (currently reading Heretics of Dune). After I finish his original series, I haven't decided which author is going to get my attention next. I think I will come around to read Brain Herbert's approach to the Dune universe, specifically the two novels that complete the original storyline. Prequels... maybe.

The 3 books that make up Brian Herbert's story of the Butlerian Jihad are definitely worth reading, the prequels concerning the 3 houses are good as well. Brian has more books than Frank ever did, and most of them are good IMO.
 

bobdole369

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Ayn Rand. I could never make it through the first few pages of anything shes written. I've heard its great stuff though.
 

Modular

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Hemingway is said to have written a story in 6 words once. It read:


For sale. Baby shoes. Never worn.

The truth of the claim that he wrote this is undetermined from what I've read on the web, but even so, it's a compelling 6 words, and now you've (probably) read Hemingway.

 

Lummex

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I need to read more Tolstoy. I've only read one of his short stories. Also Steinbeck, Hemingway, James Joyce. I've read small works from all of them, but I need to read their more prominent works. I also need to finish Henry Miller's "Tropic of Cancer". I started it and found it interesting, but never finished it. I'll kick myself in the butt if I never finish.
 

zinfamous

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Yeah, the hardest part for me is figuring out how to read it in terms of the pacing and structure. Watching an actor perform the scene usually makes it click instantly.

yeah, the problem with most people first approaching Shakespeare is the inclination to read all of the dialogue like a poem, with some odd, unnatural rhythm. You have to remind yourself that it is meant to be spoken, and it sounds perfectly fine, more or less.

I did this for the first several years reading him on my own, but then again I started that in the 7th grade. :hmm:
 

BurnItDwn

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Tolstoy... Have a copy of "War and Peace", haven't even started it yet.
Dostoyevsky ... Have a copy of "Crime and Punishment" made it through about 50 pages, but got distracted by other books and haven't picked it up since
Homer ... Always wanted to read Odyssey
Hemingway ... Would like to read some of his works just because of his huge influence
 

zinfamous

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I need to read more Tolstoy. I've only read one of his short stories. Also Steinbeck, Hemingway, James Joyce. I've read small works from all of them, but I need to read their more prominent works. I also need to finish Henry Miller's "Tropic of Cancer". I started it and found it interesting, but never finished it. I'll kick myself in the butt if I never finish.

For Joyce, people should start with Dubliners--and in particular The Dead

Then maybe PoaAaaYM. Ulysses is not easy for anyone, period. Forget Finnegan's Wake. It is almost not meant to be read.

..and I freaking love Joyce.
 

Scotteq

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Tolstoy... Have a copy of "War and Peace", haven't even started it yet.
Dostoyevsky ... Have a copy of "Crime and Punishment" made it through about 50 pages, but got distracted by other books and haven't picked it up since
Homer ... Always wanted to read Odyssey
Hemingway ... Would like to read some of his works just because of his huge influence


Why did Hemingway's chicken cross the road??



To Die. Alone. In the rain.
 

Perknose

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H L Menken - Merciless, and (in the words of another forum poster) Caustically funny social commentary. DOOOOOO EEEEEETTT!!!

Heh. Likely as not that was me. Humor often has a short shelf life since it can be so heavily dependent on the times, but I'm willing to bet you could google quotes by Mencken and easily find 5-6 that would zing their point home today.

Ok, lol, took my own advice and did so. Here, unedited, are just the first 12 listed quotes from him on this page:

For every complex problem there is a simple solution... and it is wrong.

After all, all he did was string together a lot of old, well-known quotations. (On Shakespeare)

Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another.

An idealist is one who, on noticing that roses smell better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.

Philosophy consists very largely of one philosopher arguing that all other philosophers are jackasses. He usually proves it, and I should add that he also usually proves that he is one himself.

The world always makes the assumption that the exposure of an error is identical with the discovery of truth—that the error and truth are simply opposite. They are nothing of the sort. What the world turns to, when it is cured on one error, is usually simply another error, and maybe one worse than the first one.

There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism, and that is
the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for happiness.

God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find not only sanctuary in His arms, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated egos; He will set them above their betters.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

The only good bureaucrat is one with a pistol at his head. Put it in his hand and it's good-bye to the Bill of Rights.

The New Deal began, like the Salvation Army, by promising to save humanity. It ended, again like the Salvation Army, by running flop-houses and disturbing the peace.

Demagogue: one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
The dude is a true font of comedy gold! :biggrin:

He is more or less the soul of a literary movement, the Lost Generation--or at least, it's msot popular member. TS Eliot, Ezra Pound are better writers, I'd say, and maybe it was Hemingway's rather simplistic style that turns people away from him who want to be turned away.

I'm no huge fan of Hemingway but his is a model of economical writing. But, zin, really, you really think Ezra Pound is better?

I'll give you his place in belle lettres, and some of his poetry is rather good, but his epic "masterpiece" The Cantos is far too steeped (one might say suffocated) in classical allusions and of overly formal construction to be anything that I'd ever personally consider my loss for not having been able to slog through.

Then there is the little matter of his manlove and active shilling for Mussolini and the Facists during WW II.

As for TS Elliot, ok, I'm with you, but it is at least a bit amusing to note that it was Ezra Pound who edited Elliot's The Waste Land into shape by removing more than half of it in much the same drastic manner that you fault the editor of Raymond Carver for doing!

Just saying.

For Joyce, people should start with Dubliners--and in particular The Dead

Then maybe PoaAaaYM. Ulysses is not easy for anyone, period. Forget Finnegan's Wake. It is almost not meant to be read.

..and I freaking love Joyce.

Well agreed on Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake. I've tried many times to read Ulysses, and I've never gotten further than 10-20 pages. I just don't have the requisite erudition for it.

But whenever Joyce comes up it reminds me of the perhaps apocryphal rejoinder ascribed to him when an admirer rushed up and said, "Allow me to shake the hand of the man who wrote Ulysses."

He is said to have replied, "I'd rather you didn't. It's done lots of other things, too."
 

destrekor

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The 3 books that make up Brian Herbert's story of the Butlerian Jihad are definitely worth reading, the prequels concerning the 3 houses are good as well. Brian has more books than Frank ever did, and most of them are good IMO.

Come to think of it, just the idea of the Butlerian Jihad has me really geared to read novels dedicated to it.

But from what I've heard, even Brian Herbert has minimal involvement with most of the Dune novels. So it's really another author's take on the world altogether, one not even related (unless Brian actually writes more than what I've heard).

I'm mostly iffy about even reading any other Dune book, regardless of where it falls in the timeline of the series, because half of what makes Frank Herbert's Dune series so astounding, in my eyes, is the detail of all the sciences and cultures. The way he includes so many philosophical ideas, religious ideas, cultural traditions and all things that make us miserable failures when viewed at the collective whole.. he hits the points so well. The setting is largely irrelevant to the true story that underlies everything else, it's just a convenient way to dress it all up so as to make it an enjoyable read instead of a lecture of observations and potential impacts our current path may have on future generations.

But that's exactly the type of soft-sciences I studied for my degree and readily study/research/think about in my downtime. Probably why Frank Herbert is almost a figure of worship somewhere deep in my brain at this point. His style will be a big influence if I ever get around to turning around the pages and pages of notes I have into an actual novel series of my own.
 

zinfamous

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Well agreed on Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake. I've tried many times to read Ulysses, and I've never gotten further than 10-20 pages. I just don't have the requisite erudition for it.

But whenever Joyce comes up it reminds me of the perhaps apocryphal rejoinder ascribed to him when an admirer rushed up and said, "Allow me to shake the hand of the man who wrote Ulysses."

He is said to have replied, "I'd rather you didn't. It's done lots of other things, too."

LoL. there's also a story relating how Joyce and Beckett were having a drink together at a pub.

They simply sat, staring at each other, wordless.


I would recommend Beckett over Joyce, though. Molloy is probably my favorite novel.

ATOT should also read more:

Nabokov (Lolita, Pale Fire--especially if you hate the 'literary elite types' )
Kafka
 

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The 3 books that make up Brian Herbert's story of the Butlerian Jihad are definitely worth reading, the prequels concerning the 3 houses are good as well. Brian has more books than Frank ever did, and most of them are good IMO.

Agreed... Brian Herbert is actually a better author than Frank, although the original Dune series is original and awesome. Brian is more of a storyteller, Frank more of a scientist.

Another author to consider.. Orson Scott Card. Ender's Game is an awesome book and he wrote a whole series that takes place after/during it.
 

Gibsons

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Why did Hemingway's chicken cross the road??



To Die. Alone. In the rain.

oh man. There was one spring break where we started doing this. Like for everything.

I'm going to seven eleven to get beer. Alone. In the rain. I'll get a 12 pack. And then I'll drink it. Alone. In a clean, well-lighted place.
 

InflatableBuddha

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There are lots of authors I still want to get to: Dickens, Tolstoy, possibly Hemingway, and Palahniuk and Irvine Welsh.

Have read a number of Vonnegut's novels and still have a bunch to get to. Currently reading Catch 22 again. I'm pleasantly surprised that it's still as funny and ridiculous now as it was when I first read it years ago.
 

Lummex

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For Joyce, people should start with Dubliners--and in particular The Dead

Then maybe PoaAaaYM. Ulysses is not easy for anyone, period. Forget Finnegan's Wake. It is almost not meant to be read.

..and I freaking love Joyce.

The Dead is the one I've already read. It was wonderful, even though it was hard to get through. That's why I must read more.
 
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