auto repair shop might not have used new oil for an oil change

skim milk

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I usually go to one of the more well-known auto shops to get my oil changed for about $40, but I went with a small shop that is half the price and has gotten mostly positive reviews on yelp. They only specialize in japanese cars. I heard stories of some shops using used oil and I monitored the mechanic closely. I saw that the customer in front brought in his own purchased oil. The mechanic used oil that was inside a large dirty yellow bucket which seemed odd. Should I be concerned? The car is a newer model honda
 

Baked

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How come you didn't change it yourself? If it's a Japanese car, it should be super easy.
 

Dr. Detroit

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How come you didn't change it yourself? If it's a Japanese car, it should be super easy.

Not everyone owns a home, jack, jack stands, oil pan, filter wrench............

Cost of materials is roughly $20. For $42 I don't get my hands dirty and trust my dealership.


Sometimes paying for convenience is not a terrible thing.
 

T2urtle

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u need a container to hold the bulk oil from the 55 gal drums.

we might buy in the quarts or gallon but shops mainly do it at 55 gal drums.

i honestly dont believe any legit shop out there will practice using used oil, without explaining it to u.
 

RedArmy

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Not everyone owns a home, jack, jack stands, oil pan, filter wrench............

Cost of materials is roughly $20. For $42 I don't get my hands dirty and trust my dealership.


Sometimes paying for convenience is not a terrible thing.

You don't need to own a home to do an oil change. You don't need jacks or a jack stand, just spend $20 and get the ramps from Autozone or Walmart when they're on sale. A 10 quart oil pan can be hand for less than $10 and if you're buying all this and deciding to do your own oil you won't need a filter wrench since it shouldn't be on there so tight that you can't turn it off with your own strength. If you don't own a single socket wrench or socket, well, find the right size and get on it.

All these tools should last you a lifetime if you take care of them, and plus, then you get the satisfaction of knowing it was done right and you don't have to schedule to make an appointment and sit around waiting. 15 minutes on your own time and you're done.

There's always a million excuses not to do something and there's no good ones for something like an oil change.
 

Dr. Detroit

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You don't need to own a home to do an oil change. You don't need jacks or a jack stand, just spend $20 and get the ramps from Autozone or Walmart when they're on sale. A 10 quart oil pan can be hand for less than $10 and if you're buying all this and deciding to do your own oil you won't need a filter wrench since it shouldn't be on there so tight that you can't turn it off with your own strength. If you don't own a single socket wrench or socket, well, find the right size and get on it.

All these tools should last you a lifetime if you take care of them, and plus, then you get the satisfaction of knowing it was done right and you don't have to schedule to make an appointment and sit around waiting. 15 minutes on your own time and you're done.

There's always a million excuses not to do something and there's no good ones for something like an oil change.

Where should us "city dwellers" change our oil? The street? Where should I store my ramps, oil pan, and wrenches - my hallway closet? Not everyone lives in suburbia.

Its far easier to pay someone an extra $20 to change it for me.
 

railer

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If it's a Japanese car, it should be super easy.

Really?


OP: You actually monitored the mechanic because you thought he might put used oil in your car? Really X2? Just pay the 40 bucks next time would be my recommendation to you.


As far as oil changes go.....I actually had the wife's oil changed at the shop today. The inspection was due, she ran over a hunk of metal over the weekend so needed a new tire, so I figured what the hell...change the damn oil too, since that's also due.

When my G8 comes around for it's oil change....why I'll have the same shop do that, as they'll hopefully charge me the same 29.99 that they did last year for all 8.8 quarts of dino oil and filter. You can't beat that with a stick.

My F150 I'll probably still do myself, as I for some reason continue to put synthetic in that thing, and my local shop charges $60 for a synthetic oil change. So the DIY oil change will save me close to $30, which depending on my mood is sometimes worth the trouble.
 

Wingznut

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Sometimes paying for convenience is not a terrible thing.
There's always a million excuses not to do something and there's no good ones for something like an oil change.
I was an auto technician for 12+ years. I have a crapload of tools, I have jacks, I have ramps, etc. I pay to have my oil changed on two of my cars (the third, I actually enjoy working on).
 

PottedMeat

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anyone know how long/miles it takes for new oil to change from that golden color to something a little darker?
 

Wingznut

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I saw that the customer in front brought in his own purchased oil. The mechanic used oil that was inside a large dirty yellow bucket which seemed odd. Should I be concerned? The car is a newer model honda
It's possible that the mechanic took the customer's oil, and poured each quart bottle into the larger bucket, and then used that bucket to pour it into the engine. I've done that before... It's a little faster, because your can pour two bottles at once, and there's usually a little free time while the oil is draining.
 

kitatech

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Many dealers will change your old oil with oil and filter YOU bring to THEM...for $20
Buy high quality synthetic oil on sale and you save as much as $30 on a syn OC...

That aside, most dealers have $20 coupon specials for conventional OCs.
 

gorcorps

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How come you didn't change it yourself? If it's a Japanese car, it should be super easy.

Besides all the other reasons, my dealer offers free tires for life as long as you keep coming back for oil changes. At ~$45 per visit it's not a bad deal as they usually wash the car too.
 

Vic Vega

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I change my own oil because it's easy and covienient for me. If I were back home in Chicago living in the city, I would absolutely pay someone (if I had a car..).
 

mmntech

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Not everyone owns a home, jack, jack stands, oil pan, filter wrench............

Cost of materials is roughly $20. For $42 I don't get my hands dirty and trust my dealership.


Sometimes paying for convenience is not a terrible thing.

Not to mention you have to dispose/recycle the old oil. Which means trucking it to the hazardous waste station.

Just easier to take it to the garage. Takes less time.
 

ino uno soweno

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anyone know how long/miles it takes for new oil to change from that golden color to something a little darker?

That is hard to answer, when you are not sure how much dirty oil is left in the motor at the change,

Here is the lenghts people like me will go to,

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[FONT=&quot]The question was asked the other day about how to flush when changing oil. If you use the following will guide you when changing oil, you can add many years life to your vehicle.

Motor

With the Engine at operating temperature drain your sump oil, when the oil stops running out of the sump, refit you sump bung.

Refill the Engine with at least 5 Litres of Flushing Oil. (5 is enough to do the job in all our cars even if they take more)

Use Mainlube 245 Flushing Oil, the extreme detergency package in Mainlube 245 cleans very well or if this is a little expensive I think Repco has one, (or used to) or any other flush, you need a good detergent package to clean quickly (in about 15 to 30 minutes of flushing) I flush my own Engine from 1 to 2 hours to ensure cleanliness.
If you can’t get flushing flushing oil, then use flushing additive and mix it with cheap supermarket oil, this would be better than not flushing or even just cheap supermarket oil on its own is better than not flushing at all.

Kerosene and Diesel are NOT to be used as these products are abrasive and also strip oil if it’s lubricating qualities, you will do more harm than good with these 2 fuels mixed with oil as a flush.

Flush your Engine for 15 to 30 minutes, bringing the revs up to say ….2000 rpm for 5 to 10 seconds every 5 minutes to achieve the dish washer affect.

Drain the flushing oil (you will notice the flushing oil comes out black) once drained refit the sump plug (you would be surprised how many people forget this part) replace the oil filter with a new one, wiping a little clean Engine oil around the new oil filter’s rubber seal to ensure ease of removal next oil change and refill with new oil to the full mark.
Start you Engine and make sure your oil light goes out and check the sump plug and oil filter for leaks. Now the oil filter is full with oil, top the oil up, waiting a couple of minutes for the oil to drain down before you check the level, you should be able to achieve the oil level on the full mark.

Under now circumstances are you to drive your car with flushing oil in the engine, flushing is to be done under NO load.


Gearbox T56

With the Gearbox at operating temperature drain your Gearbox oil, if an oil sample is required the gather this half way through the draining process. When the oil stops running out of the Gearbox, refit you sump bung.

Refill the Gearbox with at least 4 Litres of Flushing Oil (4 is enough to do the job in all our cars).
Flush your Gearbox for 15 minutes, bringing the revs up to say ….2000 rpm for 5 to 10 seconds every 5 minutes to achieve the dish washer affect.

Drain the flushing oil, once drained refit the plug.

Now repeat the flushing process again, you need to flush the T56 twice to achieve a clean enough environment for new oil.

Fill your T56 with Mainlube 154 Synthetic Solid Boundary E P Gear Oil SAE 75w90 if you wish to quiten and extend the life if your Gearbox or fill with Transmax if you don’t mind it being noisy.

Fill to slightly above the bottom of the filler bung, this way when you wish to take an oil sample you can simply ease the filler bung (within 5 minutes of running) and allow the excess to flow into your sample jar and quickly refit the filler bung.



Auto

To change and flush your auto oil perfectly you should go to your mechanic and have the auto flushed with a flushing machine, then have the pan dropped and change the filter and oil topped up again.

However, if this to too costly, I can show you a much cheaper way that will be for better than just not changing or changing oil without flushing.

With the auto warm, remove the bottom hose in to the radiator and fit a plastic tube on to the bottom hose to the radiator, put the other end or the hose in to a 20 Litre bucket in front of the car.

Start the engine and the auto’s oil pump will pump all the old ATF fluid in to the 20 Litre bucket, flick through the gears until the vehicle doesn’t try and move, now you have most of the oil from the auto in the 20 Litre bucket.

Only idle the car to do this.

Refill your auto with new oil and repeat the process about 3 times or until the oil comes out of the auto clean, or the same colour as it’s going in.

You just flushed your auto without jacking the car up.



Diff

With the Diff at operating temperature, jack your vehicle up and put on axle stands making sure the vehicle is stable. Then drain your Diff oil, when the oil stops running out of the Diff, refit you sump bung.

Refill the Diff with Flushing Oil. Run you vehicle in say 2nd to 3rd gear at about 1500 rpm and flush your Diff for 15 minutes.

Drain the flushing oil, once drained refit the plug.

Fill your Diff with Mainlube 154 Synthetic Solid Boundary E P Gear Oil SAE 75w140 E P Gear Oil if you wish to and extend the life if your Diff or fill with an approved spec. Synthetic LSD E P Gear Oil SAE 75w140.

Fill to slightly above the bottom of the filler bung, this way when you wish to take an oil sample you can simply ease the filler bung (within 5 minutes of running) and allow the excess to flow into your sample jar and quickly refit the filler bung.


Power Steering


With the Power Steering at operating temperature, remove the Power Steering reservoir cap and using a large syringe (like the one you filled the in the T56 and diff with) and suck all the oil from the Power Steering reservoir.

Refill the reservoir with Transmax Z ATF fluid and turn the steering from lock to lock once, then suck the oil from the reservoir again.

Repeat this process until the oil you are removing from the reservoir is the same colour as the oil going in, then fill to the correct level.

Auto and Power Steering fluid should be changed as soon as it starts to noticeably darken. [/FONT]

Just another persons opinion,
 

Fritzo

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Truthfully, it's more of a pain in the ass to use "used" oil than new oil for an oil change. I doubt they used old stuff. They probably poured bulk oil into a measuring bucket to get the measurement right.
 

Raizinman

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The OP was concerned if the oil he was receiving was new or used, he was not looking for a lesson on how to change his oil. As for concern, yes you should be. Quite often dealerships will substitute a cheaper oil for a better oil. When you see something coming out of a large tank, barrel or oil hose coming from the ceiling, you really don't know what oil they are putting in your car. The quicky oil change shops are notorious for doing the oil switch-a-roo. Same with other chemicals. I've seen many shops refill additive bottles with just plain oil or whatever and then sell them to the next customer for $8.95. If you want an additive, be it fuel injector, oil additive, or whatever, always best to purchase it yourself and add it yourself.
 

phucheneh

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Not to mention you have to dispose/recycle the old oil. Which means trucking it to the hazardous waste station.

Just easier to take it to the garage. Takes less time.

...or just take it to the parts store?

To me, it's not about 'paying for convenience.' I would just note that if you have an IQ higher than that of a bumblebee, you're probably a lot less likely to do a poor job than the guy getting paid $8 an hour to bust ass on oil changes. At minimum, quick-lubes and tire stores seem to destroy a couple engines a year. Luckily, most people come back when they leave an oil filter or drain plug loose. Or double gasket. Or leave the oil cap off. Or forget to put oil back in. Or doublefill. I wouldn't want to be one of those 'lucky' ones where the mistake is caught in time, either, though.
 

pauldun170

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Not everyone owns a home, jack, jack stands, oil pan, filter wrench............

Cost of materials is roughly $20. For $42 I don't get my hands dirty and trust my dealership.


Sometimes paying for convenience is not a terrible thing.

I cant remember the last time I had to use jackstands to change oil. Past 20 years all I've needed was one socket wrench, an oil pan and a filter wrench. Toss in disposable neoprene\latex gloves and I don't even have to wash my hands. All done in under 15 minutes. Beats driving to the dealer\shop and waiting.
 
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Fritzo

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I cant remember the last time I had to use jackstands to change oil. Past 20 years all I've needed was one socket wrench, and oil pan and a filter wrench.

If your oil filter is on top, you HAVE to get a fluid extractor:



You hook it up to the dipstick hole, and it sucks all the oil out. Change the oil filter, and I can be done in 10 minutes without having to get under the car Best thing ever!
 

phucheneh

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Is it really that hard to lift one wheel up? That's what I usually do. The RF on a typical (not older Honda) FWD, or otherwise the side that, when lifted, keeps the drain plug at the lowest point.

I have a couple of those composite ramps, but frankly they scare me. And it takes as long to get some sure positioning on them as it does to just throw a jack and a stand under one side. They also hit the bumper on a lot of stock cars.
 
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