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WaTaGuMp

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Once a year is not enough for long-term paint protection, 'prettiness' aside.

A lot of this depends on where you live... Heat, salt, the environment can affect wax and paint quite a bit.

I read online once a year is fine, you just need better wax. I mean come on Nu Finish ran a car through 52 consecutive car washes, even after all the harsh detergents and scrubbing, the water still beads.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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I really don't care to argue back and forth about it, but I have to point out:

1) I never said anything about super-duper-prettiness. Just that once a year was fine for protecting a modern finish. And the majority of cars get far less.

2) Carnauba wax sucks. Sorry, it has no place on a daily driver unless someone REALLY likes the masturbation of car cleaning...but they ARE easy to apply and make the car shiny, I guess.

So, what do you recommend?
 

phucheneh

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So, what do you recommend?

...the alternative.

Synthetic waxes. Polymer sealant. Whatever you wanna call it- I had always just heard of it referred to as a type of wax, but 'paint sealant' seems to be becoming the more popular term.

Meguire's NXT is still a pretty good standard, it seems like. There's probably stuff that is equal or better, but since NXT is on the shelf anywhere you go, it's a good default. I won't claim to be a pro at detailer; much the opposite. I'm a lazyass. But my experience with that 'wax' versus actual carnauba is quite positive. It's hard to sort out the science-y bits because there are so many polar opposite claims out there.

Real wax gives a better shine. But being an actual wax, I would also have a strong suspicion that the people who say it is soft and sensitive to heat are probably right. Science gave us hardened clearcoat. I'm inclined to believe they've also been able to seriously improve on paint protectants over the years.

edit: also of note is how hard old car knowledge dies. I still think claims of wax, any type, needing to be applied 5-6 times or more a year, are bogus grandfathered information originating from the days of 'the paint on your new car will oxidize if you look at it funny.'
 
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JulesMaximus

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...the alternative.

Synthetic waxes. Polymer sealant. Whatever you wanna call it- I had always just heard of it referred to as a type of wax, but 'paint sealant' seems to be becoming the more popular term.

Meguire's NXT is still a pretty good standard, it seems like. There's probably stuff that is equal or better, but since NXT is on the shelf anywhere you go, it's a good default. I won't claim to be a pro at detailer; much the opposite. I'm a lazyass. But my experience with that 'wax' versus actual carnauba is quite positive. It's hard to sort out the science-y bits because there are so many polar opposite claims out there.

Real wax gives a better shine. But being an actual wax, I would also have a strong suspicion that the people who say it is soft and sensitive to heat are probably right. Science gave us hardened clearcoat. I'm inclined to believe they've also been able to seriously improve on paint protectants over the years.

edit: also of note is how hard old car knowledge dies. I still think claims of wax, any type, needing to be applied 5-6 times or more a year, are bogus grandfathered information originating from the days of 'the paint on your new car will oxidize if you look at it funny.'

I like Meguiars products and have their showroom glaze and paint cleaners on hand along with some of their hand waxes. I'll have to give the NXT a look.

As for paints and clearcoats. I saw a Chrysler 300 sedan the other day with the clear coat just peeling off the roof, trunk and hood and faded beyond repair. Oldest that car could possibly have been is 8 years old. It was dark blue.

I bought my Toyota in March and have already waxed the entire car once.
 

QueBert

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Had about 2 weeks with the products I've ordered. The Foam gun is fantastic, feel's well built and doesn't leak at all. The foam it creates is pretty thick from 2 oz of Detailer's Xtreme Foam Formula Auto Shampoo. I'd love to try this stuff in a foam cannon + pressure washer. It does a good job at getting bird shit and sap off, I don't have to scrub nearly as hard as I did with the Pep Boys car wash soap. The Detailer's Krystal Vision Glass Cleaner seems to be about on par with the Stoners Insivable glass I use to use. Sprays on and wipes off easy with no streaking, even when I did it in the direct So Cal sun.

The Chemical Guys leather cleaner & protectant I bought are both AWESOME. Leather was already in good condition, but it made it even softer, added some sheen and now it smells like brand new leather. Stuff's not exactly cheap but it should last me a long time. The 303 convertible top cleaner & sealant are both awesome too. The cleaner made it look blacker, and a day after spraying the sealant on I poured a 16oz cup of water on top to test and it just beaded off.

The Chemical Guys Purple Stuff deodorizer and air freshener's fantastic, it smells just like I remember Grape Crush soda as a kid. I'm use to seeing Vanilla, Leather, New Car, Mountain sents for air fresheners so this was something else. Bottle's hilarious too, it has a grape guy complete with gold teeth and a gold necklace. If I was racially insensitive I might be offered by this, but it's pretty damn funny. It actually says "Air Shizzle" on the bottle. I'm still adjusting to every time I get in my car it smelling like grape soda.

 
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JulesMaximus

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You need better wax. Do you use the 'detail shop special'? The stuff that wipes off super easy but does nothing except make the car shiny for a little while?

I can go hit my car with the hose and take pictures of the water beads, if you'd like. You can still feel the wax on it. And I think it's been OVER a year.

This is ignoring the fact that what is likely a majority of people never wax their cars. Ever. They don't even know they're supposed to. 'Yeah, it gets wax sprayed on it at the car wash!'

Obviously I don't advise people to not wax their cars. More saying that you seem to be stuck in the enamel paint days. Or the subsequent 'hey we discovered clearcoat, but holy crap are we terrible at it' period. But nowadays, newer cars withstand the abuse a hell of a lot better. And to add to that, there are modern products that are a hell of a lot more useful than carnuba wax.

You mean like this? Pretty sure this pile of junk is less than 10 years old.

 

sontakke

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It is highly likely that this was repainted after a collision. It is rare for factory paint to become like that in less than 10 years unless it is a pattern failure aka a known problem for certain model/year paint
 

JulesMaximus

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It is highly likely that this was repainted after a collision. It is rare for factory paint to become like that in less than 10 years unless it is a pattern failure aka a known problem for certain model/year paint

The entire truck looked like this... even the roof and tops of the bed rails.
 

hanoverphist

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that series of dodge trucks had a bad rep for paint already. pretty much every one of them i see has that clear coat issue. i think it was across the board for the 90s dodge vehicles, caravans, neons and a lot of other models had the same clear coat issues.

i have a 2001 ram that is painted paradise blue (no, that wasnt available that year. it should be two-tone red/ grey for a 01! nope, its got the dealer color code on the door. paradise blue.) and it rarely ever gets waxed. the clear coat is still nice, the paint color is still vibrant. when i had a fender repainted a couple years ago the painter told me he didnt have to do much alteration to the paint to match the original color, he was surprised it looked as good as it did. this truck rarely gets washed, ive had it since 06. its always been a work truck, it lives outside without even a driveway cover. i really should take better care of the paint, but its been scratched up so much from being a work truck, id likely repaint it and then start taking care of it. i do take care of my pristine subaru 96 legacy GT paint tho. not weekly wash/ wax, but at least once a month washes with wax every 6 months. the silver on that still looks great.
 

XavierMace

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It is highly likely that this was repainted after a collision. It is rare for factory paint to become like that in less than 10 years unless it is a pattern failure aka a known problem for certain model/year paint

Such as being painted by a company called Mitsubishi.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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that series of dodge trucks had a bad rep for paint already. pretty much every one of them i see has that clear coat issue. i think it was across the board for the 90s dodge vehicles, caravans, neons and a lot of other models had the same clear coat issues.

i have a 2001 ram that is painted paradise blue (no, that wasnt available that year. it should be two-tone red/ grey for a 01! nope, its got the dealer color code on the door. paradise blue.) and it rarely ever gets waxed. the clear coat is still nice, the paint color is still vibrant. when i had a fender repainted a couple years ago the painter told me he didnt have to do much alteration to the paint to match the original color, he was surprised it looked as good as it did. this truck rarely gets washed, ive had it since 06. its always been a work truck, it lives outside without even a driveway cover. i really should take better care of the paint, but its been scratched up so much from being a work truck, id likely repaint it and then start taking care of it. i do take care of my pristine subaru 96 legacy GT paint tho. not weekly wash/ wax, but at least once a month washes with wax every 6 months. the silver on that still looks great.

Judging by the front end and the mirrors of the truck I took a picture of it is at least a 2002 model. Certainly no older than that.

2001 Dodge Ram


2002 Dodge Ram
 
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I dont keep cars for 10 years so I dont need to wax every other month. Once a year is good enough for me. Cars to me are disposable items and are treated as such. Sure I keep up the maintenance and what not but when it's reached it's expiration date I replace it.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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I dont keep cars for 10 years so I dont need to wax every other month. Once a year is good enough for me. Cars to me are disposable items and are treated as such. Sure I keep up the maintenance and what not but when it's reached it's expiration date I replace it.

I owned my last car for 10 years and it still looked pretty good when I got rid of it. I waxed my car maybe once or twice a year max. Washed it every other week or so.

I'd bet that Dodge hasn't looked good for a long time. That damage didn't just happen recently. It has been deteriorating for years.
 

blipblop

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sort of back on topic, i'm trying to find some wheel brushes? I picked up some stuff from amazon but they seem to be mediocre. Any suggestions?
 
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