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[BrownTown]

he phrases pre-emptive attack and fight terror with terror automatically make them Americans when everyone has already proved they are not?

Where is there any proof in the movie that they are not Americans? For one thing lets point out the fact that they speak ENGLISH, they military people were MARINES, one of the characters wears a STANFORD shirt, etc. How can you say that this movie is not Anti-capitalist or anti-American. Whether or not it spells it out it is clear what the director was thinking about. The military guys are Blackwater contractors, the mining company is someone like Exxon Mobile or Peabody Energy, the top guy is George Bush (he uses like 5 direct quotes).

It is not OK to obliterate a foreign culture simply because they happen to be sitting on something you want.

They weren't trying to kill them at first, they just wanted them to move somewhere else. In this world that is a generally accepted way of doing business. If there is a resource that can help help and the person who owns the land won't leave then they are made to leave. If you don't like that fact stop using coal and copper, and aluminum, and natural gas, or any other material that has to be mined. Hell, if you think its bad to move 100 people in order to solve an energy crisis then God only knows what you must think about the fact that way more people then that were moved to build a new basketball stadium for the New Jersey Nets (and those that refused to move were arrested).

 

[zerocool84]

Where is there any proof in the movie that they are not Americans? For one thing lets point out the fact that they speak ENGLISH, they military people were MARINES, one of the characters wears a STANFORD shirt, etc. How can you say that this movie is not Anti-capitalist or anti-American. Whether or not it spells it out it is clear what the director was thinking about. The military guys are Blackwater contractors, the mining company is someone like Exxon Mobile or Peabody Energy, the top guy is George Bush (he uses like 5 direct quotes).

There's more than one country that speaks English and have Marines. It's anti-human nature as we have done that to each other throughout history.

 

[ScottFern]

Obviously it is only a movie, but movies are made with a MESSAGE. And the message of this movie was anti-American and anti-business. I agree with the OP, I simply cannot emphasize with aliens who are killing humans. While it never says they are US soldiers they make it 100% clear who they are talking about with quotes like "pre-emptive attack" and "fight terror with terror" among many others.

At the very least people can look back 20-30 years and see that the bad guys in movies were all communists, or aliens, or drugs lords etc. Not the bad guys in movies are capitalists or the American military, personally I find that to be a disturbing trend whether or not anyone here agrees.

If 100 aliens are sitting over a material that could save millions of human lives then I have NO problem making them leave.

Yeah now that I think about it we need to censor these "dangerous" movies that give America the Great a bad name! America is not without its faults and as an American I am disgusted we went into Iraq and we continue to fight in Afghanistan while the "Al Qaeda" elements have obviously left the country and if that is the suggestion this film is making its James Cameron's right to do so. He will make millions of dollars doing it no matter how many right wingers get butt hurt by it.

Deeming a movie having an anti-American theme is just laughable as well. Dissenting and free speech are two of the most fundamental characteristics of America and her history. I can form my own opinions INDEPENDENTLY and I don't go to movie theaters to get my political philosophy.

 

[Lummex]

So much ignorance... I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or vomit.

While I personally agreed with the point of this movie whole-heartedly, i also realize that it is a SCIENCE FICTION movie. It did not actually happen, and people are entitled to like it as much as they want for whatever reasons they want. CALM THE EFF DOWN.

What's more, I cannot believe the statements made about the aliens... if anything like this were to happen, the aliens had as much a right to life and to defend their home as anyone on earth. They were obviously intelligent creatures, and though not as technologically advanced, they were most certainly feeling creatures with advanced brains and emotions. The only reason I get worked up about these creatures that don't really exist, is because this has been done COUNTLESS times in real life, with Native Americans and such. What we did to them, and what was shown in the movie is not okay.

 

[K1052]

They weren't trying to kill them at first, they just wanted them to move somewhere else. In this world that is a generally accepted way of doing business. If there is a resource that can help help and the person who owns the land won't leave then they are made to leave. If you don't like that fact stop using coal and copper, and aluminum, and natural gas, or any other material that has to be mined. Hell, if you think its bad to move 100 people in order to solve an energy crisis then God only knows what you must think about the fact that way more people then that were moved to build a new basketball stadium for the New Jersey Nets (and those that refused to move were arrested).

There is a slight difference between acquiring a tract of houses to say expand an airport and barging into a foreign land and forcing the indigenous to give up their way of life at gunpoint because they have something we want.

Spoiler

Not to mention the small matter of the high probability that the planet itself is quite literally alive and probably sentient according to the storyline of the movie.

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[BrownTown]

Yeah now that I think about it we need to censor these "dangerous" movies that give America the Great a bad name!.

Nobody here is suggesting we need to censor such movies (strawman right there), all I am saying is that this movie is anti-business, anti-human and anti-American, everyone else here AGREES with that fact. The only question is whether or not you think that is a good plot or a bad plot. I don't think it is that hard for someone to accept that a person with conservative leanings would not find this movie as entertaining as a person with a liberal background. I'm sure if someone went and made a movie about how Obama was a socialist (just like how Michael Moore made an anti-Bush movie) that most of the liberal people where wouldn't like it either.

Look, I am one of the biggest George Bush haters you will ever find, I think the war in Iraq killed thousands of Americans and cost a trillion dollars for NOTHING. I in general am not a pro-army sort of guy. I was in the environmental club in college and I work at a nuclear power plant in part because I think it is good for the environment. All that said, it just FEALS wrong to see an aliens kill humans who are clearly supposed to be US military and realize the director wants me to be happy about this fact. However, by moral philosophy I am a utilitarian, and I believe that moving 100 people to another location in order to save millions of lives is EASILY morally justifiable. If the material in the movie was a penis enhancer or something I wouldn't give a shit, but it is sold as an end to the energy crisis (something which in this say and age kills millions each year).

 

[Mrvile]

Wow this is actually pretty entertaining.

 

[WHAMPOM]

So many people (OP + others) straining at a gnat. LOreallyL

 

[chowmein]

I agree wholeheartedly with HumblePie, I sincerely hope you don't make it through ROTC.

 

[ChaoZ]

They weren't trying to kill them at first, they just wanted them to move somewhere else. In this world that is a generally accepted way of doing business. If there is a resource that can help help and the person who owns the land won't leave then they are made to leave. If you don't like that fact stop using coal and copper, and aluminum, and natural gas, or any other material that has to be mined. Hell, if you think its bad to move 100 people in order to solve an energy crisis then God only knows what you must think about the fact that way more people then that were moved to build a new basketball stadium for the New Jersey Nets (and those that refused to move were arrested).

Holy fuck. I don't even know how to respond to that.

 

[sandorski]

Treason? No. Will it come out of their Pay? You bet!

 

[Boo Boo]

weflyhigh oh boohoo get a clue. for some some supposably in the army you taint everyones experiences. you don't deserve to wear a uniform.

maybe you like to kill innocent people. I know a place where you can get stationed.

next time just STFU

 

[TruePaige]

 

[Vonkhan]

dude, I think you need to stick watching GI Joe cartoons ...

 

[Vonkhan]

They weren't trying to kill them at first, they just wanted them to move somewhere else. In this world that is a generally accepted way of doing business. If there is a resource that can help help and the person who owns the land won't leave then they are made to leave. If you don't like that fact stop using coal and copper, and aluminum, and natural gas, or any other material that has to be mined. Hell, if you think its bad to move 100 people in order to solve an energy crisis then God only knows what you must think about the fact that way more people then that were moved to build a new basketball stadium for the New Jersey Nets (and those that refused to move were arrested).

So if they refuse to move, kill them?

Sure, they're blue - we're white. Kill 'em all

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Haha, me too. Kind of disappointed.

I will say I was very happy to see Michelle Rodriguez's plane go down, she's obnoxious as all hell.

KT

I agree... but! I will admit that something about that snarly little mouth of hers makes me want to do things to it.

 

[BoomerD]

The OP is the kind of moron who could justify Lt. Williiam Calley's massacre of My Lai as well as some of the other heinous acts committed in Vietnam. The Phoenix Project is a prime example of what happens when people with this kind of mindset gain power over military forces.
Everyone knows this.

 

[spikespiegal]

'Nuke em' from orbit; it's the only way to be sure.'

Any alien that sells toys and collector glasses at Burger King needs to be hurried to a speedy extinction.

 

[canadageek]

The OP is the kind of moron who could justify Lt. Williiam Calley's massacre of My Lai as well as some of the other heinous acts committed in Vietnam.every war everThe Phoenix Project is a prime example of what happens when people with this kind of mindset gain power over military forces.
Everyone knows this.

fixed

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

All I got from this thread was "wah wah this movie hits a little too close to the truth so I'm going to hate it wah wah." I haven't seen it, but go in, kill natives, and take resources is pretty standard course of action for all nations including the US. However, it's clearly unamerican to have a SCIENCE FICTION movies plot involve it.

Based on this thread, I'm going to have to say Transformers was clearly a right wing propaganda movie. I mean it's a whole movie based around killing those turrist robots that are actually clearly just a misunderstood peaceful race.

 

[SagaLore]

I'm not a fan of any movie that shows the American military being defeated.

How patriotic. :\

 

[WannaFly]

It wasn't military. It was a private, for-profit company. Many/most of the people were ex-military, they were all still focused on the common goal of financial profit.

 

[oddyager]

SPOILERS

Let me say the movie looked AMAZING and the special effects were mind blowing. But, about half? way into the movie, I started to want to throw up:
The main characters of the movie do a complete 180 and started MURDERING their fellow soldiers and American comrades.
I understand if you do not believe in what your government is doing - and if you believe this strongly enough you can get a dishonorable discharge from the military - but to literally a) steal American weapons and then b) use them to kill those Americans you fought side by side with and are contracted under law with to serve fully and honorably just made me sick.

When that girl helicopter pilot turned her American helicopter around and started firing at her superiors, my stomach started turning. I felt no sympathy at all when she got blown up.
Treason is arguably the WORST crime a person can commit. In fact, it is the only crime documented in the US constitution. If she wants to turn her helicopter back, refuse to fight, and get sent to prison for disobeying the law, then she can - that is her only right.


Another thing that bothered me was the fact that the natives would have gotten stomped on if 1) they did not use any of the "Sky Peoples"'s weapons or 2) they hadn't gotten extremely fortunate (those explosives were seconds from being dropped before a stolen grenade stopped it - and then the second grenade that blew the hole).

I'm not a fan of any movie that shows the American military being defeated.

Notes:
I know there are threads on the movie, but I want this thread to be specifically about this part of the movie and also about Americans being defeated in movies in general.
I am contracted in the Army ROTC.

Except these guys weren't military, nor were they American marines. They were former soldiers hired by a company to do mercenary work. Nice try trolling.

 

[PimpJuice]

OP - we all know you wanted to throw up cause you have a girly stomach and couldn't stand the 3D. I'm sure you've never seen a bit of action before and your tummy couldn't handle it.

 

[meltdown75]

OP - we all know you wanted to throw up cause you have a girly stomach and couldn't stand the 3D. I'm sure you've never seen a bit of action before and your tummy couldn't handle it.

this is pretty much what i thought. i pictured McLovin walking out of the movie, whining about how the CGI made him sick.