Avengers: Infinity War

Starbuck1975

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DC and WB, take notes

As each member of the MCU appears in the trailer, there is an emotional response because we already know each of these characters
 

Aikouka

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Trailer seemed fine for what it is. The end was probably the best part as I'd like to see how they play off the rest of the Marvel heroes.

DC and WB, take notes

As each member of the MCU appears in the trailer, there is an emotional response because we already know each of these characters

It's kind of sad to see DC's current state. They have plenty of good characters, and actually have non DCEU movies that are arguably better than most if not all Marvel movies. I'm sure most in here may rank films like Batman Begins or The Dark Knight above most of Marvel's movies. The way that DC realized that they were being outpaced by Marvel in using their properties in an effective and cohesive way and attempted to play catch-up reminds me a lot of Microsoft's attempts to fight Apple and Google with their own smartphone. The problem is that while Microsoft's product would've competed functionally with the original iOS and Android phones, they weren't up to the competition of the phones available at the time when Microsoft released it. To give you a reminder, the phones didn't even have copy and paste.

That's pretty much what DC is doing. They pushed out their ensemble movie when only three of the six heroes have even received a standalone movie. The Flash was probably the only character that we got to know to an extent, but even then, it was not as effective as it could've been.
 

Red Storm

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No amount of additional movies is going to fix DC's real problem which was/is Zach Snyder's portrayal of Batman who for some reason is a slow moving, cheese spouting, body building comic relief character. The one and only thing they got right was the voice modulation thing, which Nolan should have definitely done.

For some reason they tried to skip ahead and match the current pace of Marvel's impending all out war for Earth, but doing that without establishing any background (a laundry list of movies for the many characters) was real dumb on their part. You have to hand it to Disney, they may not take risks but they really do know how to make appealing movies.
 

lupi

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No amount of additional movies is going to fix DC's real problem which was/is Zach Snyder's portrayal of Batman who for some reason is a slow moving, cheese spouting, body building comic relief character. The one and only thing they got right was the voice modulation thing, which Nolan should have definitely done.

For some reason they tried to skip ahead and match the current pace of Marvel's impending all out war for Earth, but doing that without establishing any background (a laundry list of movies for the many characters) was real dumb on their part. You have to hand it to Disney, they may not take risks but they really do know how to make appealing movies.


just read a long piece on state of DCMU, and it sounds like they were close to canning him after BVS but kept him because of self interest monetary reasons. And after he left with the death, whedon was improving things but those same monetary reason prevented them from delaying the release so JL was a true half snyder half whedon produiction because that's all the time he had.
 

zinfamous

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Well, if it were a legit Infinity War, Thanos would just snap his fingers and all those useless Avengers in the promo would be instantly dead (well, meaning trapped in some other dimension/reality of semi-death) until someone useful like Warlock and Silver Surfer show up to actually do something.
 
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Aikouka

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Well, if it were a legit Infinity War, Thanos would just snap his fingers and all those useless Avengers in the promo would be instantly dead (well, meaning trapped in some other dimension/reality of semi-death) until someone useful like Warlock and Silver Surfer show up to actually do something.

Well, Adam Warlock was teased at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Although, I don't know if they'd go as far as to just toss him into the story as that'd be quite the deus ex machina if he just showed up and saved the day. Unfortunately, the latter is still under Fox's control.
 

lupi

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There was a story recently about a breakdown in fox trying to sell their movie portion to disney. Seems before the news about a talk breakdown the fact that there were talks was pretty well covered up. But now I would say it's almost certain within ~ 10 years you'll be looking at the Marvel Universe rejoined.
 

stormkroe

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MCU is getting xmen and FF4 now. That means there's another villain step up from Thanos (though not with the gauntlet); Galactus.
I feel like Adam Warlock will be the trump card in infinity wars 2, not sure how else they'll have thanos defeated unless they remain true to his character and he sabotages himself.
Just edited in that we haven't been introduced yet to any of the other omega-level characters that might get the job done, like Franklin Richards or Molecule Man, so it probably won't be anything like that.
 
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JujuFish

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MCU is getting xmen and FF4 now. That means there's another villain step up from Thanos (though not with the gauntlet); Galactus.
I feel like Adam Warlock will be the trump card in infinity wars 2, not sure how else they'll have thanos defeated unless they remain true to his character and he sabotages himself.
Just edited in that we haven't been introduced yet to any of the other omega-level characters that might get the job done, like Franklin Richards or Molecule Man, so it probably won't be anything like that.

I'll be very disappointed if they defeat Thanos through some form of deus ex machina, like suddenly bringing in Adam Warlock or any other heretofore unrevealed (in the MCU) super powerful being just for Thanos.

P.S. I still don't see anything official yet. Link?
 

stormkroe

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I'll be very disappointed if they defeat Thanos through some form of deus ex machina, like suddenly bringing in Adam Warlock or any other heretofore unrevealed (in the MCU) super powerful being just for Thanos.

P.S. I still don't see anything official yet. Link?
Yeah, but unfortunately they can't defeat an IG Thanos without deus ex machina, unless they write it true to his nihilist character and have him sabotage himself. Here's what I read a few days ago, official announcement next week.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/05/bre...-century-fox-closing-in-on-deal--sources.html
 

Skel

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MCU is getting xmen and FF4 now. That means there's another villain step up from Thanos (though not with the gauntlet); Galactus.
I feel like Adam Warlock will be the trump card in infinity wars 2, not sure how else they'll have thanos defeated unless they remain true to his character and he sabotages himself.
Just edited in that we haven't been introduced yet to any of the other omega-level characters that might get the job done, like Franklin Richards or Molecule Man, so it probably won't be anything like that.

I don't think Galactus is really that much a step up. You'd need a villain that also has charisma, which Galactus does not.
 

stormkroe

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I don't think Galactus is really that much a step up. You'd need a villain that also has charisma, which Galactus does not.
Perhaps not in character, but there's an enormous power gap between Thanos (without the IG of course) and Galactus. Also, if you read some of the Galactus-centric stuff, there is actually a person there.
 

JujuFish

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It's been a long time since I read comics (I've considered getting a tablet just to start reading again, but that is probably a waste of money), but my recollection is that Thanos with a complete Infinity Gauntlet is on the same power level as the Living Tribunal and significantly stronger than even a well fed Galactus.
 

Skel

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Perhaps not in character, but there's an enormous power gap between Thanos (without the IG of course) and Galactus. Also, if you read some of the Galactus-centric stuff, there is actually a person there.

He's always been more deity than a character that people can relate to. That's why he'd be a tough sell as a villain for the movies. They've have to either go the route they did with the FF movie and have his herald be the center relatable character, or change him up to the pointless point. I have a lot of love for Galactus, but Thanos works well because he's still mortal enough to have the same problems we do. Galactus is more a force of nature, not really someone that people can go "yeah I sabotage myself too..".

It's been a long time since I read comics (I've considered getting a tablet just to start reading again, but that is probably a waste of money), but my recollection is that Thanos with a complete Infinity Gauntlet is on the same power level as the Living Tribunal and significantly stronger than even a well fed Galactus.

Tech more powerful. The only reason that the Living Tribunal was able to gimp the gauntlet was because Warlock let him when he had it (Warlock and the Infinity Watch issue 1). There was a moment where they wondered if LT had the power to remove the Gauntlet from Warlock, but it was pointed out to Warlock that it would destroy everything if they batteled.. and he was channeling the power of "The One Who Sits Above" which kinda of leads us to believe there's a "God" in the MCU.. which did seem to be the case in Marvel The End, where Thanos gets "His" power and has to die to set everything right.. Starlin had some serious Messiah things going on in his books.
 

tommo123

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He's always been more deity than a character that people can relate to. That's why he'd be a tough sell as a villain for the movies. They've have to either go the route they did with the FF movie and have his herald be the center relatable character, or change him up to the pointless point. I have a lot of love for Galactus, but Thanos works well because he's still mortal enough to have the same problems we do. Galactus is more a force of nature, not really someone that people can go "yeah I sabotage myself too..".



Tech more powerful. The only reason that the Living Tribunal was able to gimp the gauntlet was because Warlock let him when he had it (Warlock and the Infinity Watch issue 1). There was a moment where they wondered if LT had the power to remove the Gauntlet from Warlock, but it was pointed out to Warlock that it would destroy everything if they batteled.. and he was channeling the power of "The One Who Sits Above" which kinda of leads us to believe there's a "God" in the MCU.. which did seem to be the case in Marvel The End, where Thanos gets "His" power and has to die to set everything right.. Starlin had some serious Messiah things going on in his books.

isn't that stan lee? the one above all or some such
 

crashtech

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First time I did not watch 'til the end, and was wondering where the GotG were... Looks like it's gonna be a hell of a show.
 

zinfamous

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It's been a long time since I read comics (I've considered getting a tablet just to start reading again, but that is probably a waste of money), but my recollection is that Thanos with a complete Infinity Gauntlet is on the same power level as the Living Tribunal and significantly stronger than even a well fed Galactus.

I think only the Living Tribunal is more powerful than an IG-equipped entity. The Tribunal more or less sits outside of reality and the universe. And I think while Eternity is sort of "all that is," even the Magus was able to render it catatonic so that he could go on wreaking havoc with his (neutered) IG. And I think that was what doomed Magus, right? Or, somehow, the Tribunal and Eternity had the power to declare the gems unusable as one. So while they hold power over the weapon, they can be rendered powerless by it if the user wished.

I don't know. comics, man.
 

lupi

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Disney has mad it official, announced an agreement to buy X-Men and FF for Marvel. Only leaves 3 "characters" not under their full control that I'm aware of.
 

RearAdmiral

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Limited comic knowledge here:

For some reason I feel like those weird Scarlet Witch potentially "dream" sequences might lead to some psychic connection w/ Thanos and Death. Maybe once Vision eats it? Scarlet witch meets death? I'm trying to wrap my head around how they might make him defeatable in a way that works in movies.

If they nerf him w/ full IG i'd be irritated, but they need to introduce his weakness somehow in a way that isn't deus ex machina as mentioned already.
 
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