AWD sports coupe.

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bruceb

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You are probably correct, but I prefer a standard normally aspirated engine. Turbos also clutter up the underhood area considerably and makes getting to things much harder. And it does make the engine bay run much hotter.
 

yh125d

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You are probably correct, but I prefer a standard normally aspirated engine. Turbos also clutter up the underhood area considerably and makes getting to things much harder. And it does make the engine bay run much hotter.

Methinks you don't have just a whole lot of experience with modern turbos. They are definitely not the turbos of old. Gone are the days of turbo motors that don't make good power until 4k and will blow themselves to bit if you're not careful and let them cool at idle after some spirited driving.

Turbo motors these days are almost universally very reliable, have very good low end power (besting their NA counterparts more often than not), have pretty insignificant lag, and are no significant concern when it comes to maintenance or longevity. You are doing yourself a disservice by holding onto these notions and are ruling out a LOT of great cars.
 

nOOky

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LOL. Sports coupe and car seats. Yeah. I mean it will do *in a pinch*...but good luck getting a kid out in a lot of parking lots. Not to mention their feet are going to be in your back the entire ride.

If you have kids...a sport coupe *IS NOT* the car you are looking for.

Yea, I am aware of that. Currently you can zero kids in her current car. To be able to haul a little one in the back to get ice cream or drive to the beach is a lot more flexible than what she has now. I don't really care about the passengers comfort for the record nor does she, it's just for those rare occasions.
 

yh125d

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I vote for an S5, but if you can talk her out of a coupe then Fusion Sport, or possibly a 3.6 ATS sedan if you can find a good used one around 40 by then would be tempting as well. I wouldn't go for an ATS coupe though, stick with the S5 if she def wants a coupe
 

Beer4Me

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Both Acura and Mercedes offer awd on just about everything as well.

$40k would put you in a TLX easily. Possibly a C-class depending on options and discount. Avoid the CLA. Or just get a CPO off lease.

My TL was a really good car. Their handling isn't quite as sharp as some of the best, but for most people they offer a ton of value.

The new/current gen TLX have some srs transmission issues according to CR and the Internet forums.
 

core2slow

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I vote for an S5, but if you can talk her out of a coupe then Fusion Sport, or possibly a 3.6 ATS sedan if you can find a good used one around 40 by then would be tempting as well. I wouldn't go for an ATS coupe though, stick with the S5 if she def wants a coupe
S5 in the $40k range will probably be a high mileage pre-2012 with the anemic n/a v8 (as oppose to the s/c v6 on 2012+) and generally a slow bruiser. It'll look nice while in park, but it's not going to be fun to drive.
 

JulesMaximus

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LOL. Sports coupe and car seats. Yeah. I mean it will do *in a pinch*...but good luck getting a kid out in a lot of parking lots. Not to mention their feet are going to be in your back the entire ride.

If you have kids...a sport coupe *IS NOT* the car you are looking for.

Agreed. Unless the child can get in and out on his/her own there is no way I'd ever own a coupe if hauling young children is on your list of needs.
 

yh125d

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S5 in the $40k range will probably be a high mileage pre-2012 with the anemic n/a v8 (as oppose to the s/c v6 on 2012+) and generally a slow bruiser. It'll look nice while in park, but it's not going to be fun to drive.

Nope. There are 42 2013 or newer, V6 S5's with under 45k miles for under $45k within 500 miles of me
 

Uppsala9496

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Q60 is a nice coupe - had one as a loaner last week. My 8 year old daughter hated it because she couldn't easily open the door when it was just the 2 of us. She didn't like having to move the passenger seat forward and reaching for the door handle. Was a fun car to drive though.

Q50 is a nice sedan. Plenty of power (328hp) and decent gas mileage. You can get a used CPO with under 20k miles for under $30k. Bought a 2015 AWD Premium with 16,000 miles for $29k a few weeks ago. Still has 3 years of new car warranty on it.

EDIT: Had the loaner because they were tinting the windows in the Q50, not because there was an issue with the car.
 

QuantumPion

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 2017 Lincoln MKZ yet. 3.0 L twin turbo, 400 hp, 400 ft-lb, AWD, looks pretty awesome too.
 

z1ggy

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Did OP say why it specifically has to be AWD? Unless they are driving in some deep, heavy snow, a set of snow tires on FWD/RWD car I think is more than adequate, and will offer OP many more options
 

nOOky

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Let's just say that we prefer AWD to make it more useful than just a summer car. I would expect the forays onto the roads during the winter to be limited to the times when the main roads are clear. However our 250 foot driveway is mostly shaded by large wonderful pine trees, and sometimes even FWD can't get up it as we live on a hill. I've come home many times to see her vehicle parked on the main highway as she couldn't make it and has had to walk up to the house. I drive an AWD and sometimes just that little bit of extra grip can make the difference between getting up to the house or not.

The driveway is long, built up above the level of the rest of the landscape, and if you slide off sideways it takes something to pull you out of the ditch.

Other than that, she'd probably consider a lot more cars like a 370Z or something.



Did OP say why it specifically has to be AWD? Unless they are driving in some deep, heavy snow, a set of snow tires on FWD/RWD car I think is more than adequate, and will offer OP many more options
 

zerocool84

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All seasons don't cut it even with AWD. You need proper snow tires on your car whether it be FWD, AWD, RWD. People aways seem to think keeping their stock tires on their AWD vehicle is fine until they end up stuck in a ditch.
 

nOOky

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I've always run all season tires through the worst WI/MN winters. You just have to slow down, or stay home when in the middle of a blizzard. Not really relevant to the use of the car we're buying anyway.

I see more big manly trucks in the ditch on my way to work than cars, truck drivers seem to think they can go the normal speed on snow and ice.
 

Viper GTS

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Spending $1000 on a set of snow tires sounds like a much better option to me
than attempting a 250 foot icy driveway on foot every time the weather turns nasty.

Don't let yourself get suckered by false economies, buy the right tires for the season.

Viper GTS
 

nOOky

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Thanks, I appreciate the advice. However why she wants AWD isn't really relevant to what she'll buy and how she'll use it. It doesn't really need to devolve into an AWD versus snow tires discussion because that's not an issue pertinent to the choice of car she'll end up buying. I realize everyone has their opinions on that subject, but it's not what I was soliciting opinions and ideas for.

Our reasons for getting it and what we'll use it for are our reasons, we understand the other issues people are trying to bring up, but apparently it's hard to describe why we know what we need, or people aren't reading all the previous posts so I don't want to belabor the point.

I never consided a Lincoln by the way, that car looks pretty good for an old folk's car


Spending $1000 on a set of snow tires sounds like a much better option to me
than attempting a 250 foot icy driveway on foot every time the weather turns nasty.

Don't let yourself get suckered by false economies, buy the right tires for the season.

Viper GTS
 

yh125d

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Thanks, I appreciate the advice. However why she wants AWD isn't really relevant to what she'll buy and how she'll use it. It doesn't really need to devolve into an AWD versus snow tires discussion because that's not an issue pertinent to the choice of car she'll end up buying. I realize everyone has their opinions on that subject, but it's not what I was soliciting opinions and ideas for.

Our reasons for getting it and what we'll use it for are our reasons, we understand the other issues people are trying to bring up, but apparently it's hard to describe why we know what we need, or people aren't reading all the previous posts so I don't want to belabor the point.

I never consided a Lincoln by the way, that car looks pretty good for an old folk's car


I had heard about the new Lincoln but completely forgot about it. Just built one and for $48.1k I can get a 400hp AWD lux sedan with nav, BLIS, adaptive cruise, auto emergency braking, parallel and perp parking assist, lane keeping (all the big ticket new tech stuff), 14 speaker stereo, and an interior that certainly seems to be all new and nice (as in, not just a tarted up fusion).

Thats $2k less than the starting price for a 528i. $4.5k less than an E250.
 

heymrdj

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I had heard about the new Lincoln but completely forgot about it. Just built one and for $48.1k I can get a 400hp AWD lux sedan with nav, BLIS, adaptive cruise, auto emergency braking, parallel and perp parking assist, lane keeping (all the big ticket new tech stuff), 14 speaker stereo, and an interior that certainly seems to be all new and nice (as in, not just a tarted up fusion).

Thats $2k less than the starting price for a 528i. $4.5k less than an E250.

It does seem like alot of car for the money. The 3.0L will be exclusive to Lincoln and won't be shared with the Ford models. Rumors are it's an ecoboost but without the title so that FMC could tune it for more performance than the MPG moniker. A smaller cylindered 3.5L eco like is used in the Taurus SHO and alot more advanced (like the 3.5L ECO Gen II that's going in the 2017 Raptor and the 2.7L ECO currently in the F-150).

Really interested to see how the car turns out. The 400/400 is only on AWD models and the FWD models get reduced to 350/400.
 

evident

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There are so many suggestions here for a 4 door, so would you be open to a 4 door? if so the lexus is350 is friggin awesome. I love my car. anything in the compact exec class is great though, Q50/Q60 (especially the new red sport w/ 400HP TT V6), 3/4 series, C class, RC350
 

nOOky

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I think it may end up that a 4 door will be considered, given the limited choices in 2 doors.

There are so many suggestions here for a 4 door, so would you be open to a 4 door? if so the lexus is350 is friggin awesome. I love my car. anything in the compact exec class is great though, Q50/Q60 (especially the new red sport w/ 400HP TT V6), 3/4 series, C class, RC350
 

ultima_trev

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Looking around there is not much selection in coupes, and a Subaru is just plain too ugly for her to consider. The Focus RS does not come in red, so that's also not an option.

I thought you said coupe? Focus RS is a hot hatch.

As for the WRX / STi, beauty must be in the eye of the beholder because I find the 2015+ model year to be the most aesthetically pleasing sports sedan yet, even more so than the excellent current gen BMW 3/4/5 series. I have '16 WRX Premium with standard trans and it is simply perfect.
 

z1ggy

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I thought you said coupe? Focus RS is a hot hatch.

As for the WRX / STi, beauty must be in the eye of the beholder because I find the 2015+ model year to be the most aesthetically pleasing sports sedan yet, even more so than the excellent current gen BMW 3/4/5 series. I have '16 WRX Premium with standard trans and it is simply perfect.

This is my vote then. OP never said it needed to be lux, just "sporty" and AWD. The coupe thing is just a aesthetic thing but it really sounds like AWD>sporty>coupe based on this thread so far. Can get a loaded up WRX for ~$30k and take the $10k and go on a sweet vacation instead of spending it on brand name lux (if the bells and whistles don't matter).
 

madoka

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Every time I think about buying an Audi, I am reminded of this:

You see, as it turns out, the chain itself didn't have any problems with dependability. But Audi, being Audi, decided to use substandard materials for the chain tensioners, and the cam adjusters, which are two related – and highly important – components that keep the chain turning around and around and around every time you drive the car. The result is that these parts eventually fail, requiring the replacement of virtually everything you see in this amazing image of an Audi S4 engine worryingly sitting outside an Audi S4:


That's an $8000 repair.
 
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