Can't possibly see how, all he wants is for us to love one another and live in peace. We cause all the problems, not God. You can't force good...
I'm gonna stick my 2c in here. I died on the operating table for 10 minutes, when having a kidney transplant, my body shut down, my heart stopped and I saw no afterlife. When telling this to the religious people that knock on my door etc, their words "I didn't believe enough in god to be pulled through to heaven" or "god saw fit to show you nothing and give you life again"
Fucks me off, to me, it confirmed my belief in atheism.
So all the bad things that happen to people is their fault?
Because if an all knowing, all powerful god exists then nothing is random. If you get some horrible cancer in this scenario who's fault is it? It can't be no ones as god has the knowledge of it and the ability to stop it. So either gods an arsehole or you deserve cancer.
I can't explain it or offer proof or anything, just tell you it exists. Your journey is your own.
blind faith. The cornerstone of any good religion.
That's a terrible way to view life and I feel sorry for you. FYI, my grandfather has terminal cancer. He is looking forward to death because he will be with Jesus. That's the perspective difference you don't understand. I can't explain it or offer proof or anything, just tell you it exists. Your journey is your own.
It isn't blind faith by any definition.
God exists. The burden of belief is on you, not me. Want proof? Have faith. You will find all the proof you need, and wisdom and understanding. Choose not to have faith, you will never find proof. You don't want proof, you don't want truth. You have to want it to find it. This is simple reasoning.
It isn't blind faith by any definition.
Well my way of looking at life is that bad, random shit can happen and we have to make the best of it. Cherish what we have, and enjoy it as long as you can.
I'm not understanding the god gave me cancer so I can go see him sooner aspect of your post though.
if you have to believe in order for it to be true that's blind faith fool.
Are you using Bible as a dictionary?
Wasn't there a story in some holy book about God killing all humans, with the exception of a very small group? Or another story about God condemning all humans to suffering for the transgression of two individuals?Can't possibly see how, all he wants is for us to love one another and live in peace. We cause all the problems, not God. You can't force good.
It's just a logical conclusion based on what you've said in this thread:That's a terrible way to view life and I feel sorry for you. FYI, my grandfather has terminal cancer. He is looking forward to death because he will be with Jesus. That's the perspective difference you don't understand. I can't explain it or offer proof or anything, just tell you it exists. Your journey is your own.
Cancer is the result of damage to DNA, caused by faulty error checking in DNA replication that fails to either correct damage, or which causes cells to fail to destroy themselves if they are damaged - faulty design by this higher power, a faultydesign which results in many deaths per year. A simple human engineer can go to jail if their faulty design causes one death. I have higher expectations for an entity which is said to be so very intelligent, powerful, and benevolent.God doesn't give anyone cancer.
Belief in some things is not choice. I've got considerable evidence that there's a desk in front of me, and no amount of belief will change that. It will continue to exist, even if I did not want it to. Physics will continue to work as it does, with or without my consent or belief.You misunderstand faith and what I said. If you don't want to believe, you never will. Even if you had proof. You don't want to. That's what blind faith is, when you choose to not believe in God because you simply don't want to. Your belief is not based on proof, which makes your responses ironical.
God doesn't give anyone cancer...
Religious people aren't known for logic.
We know.
So, I knew someone who died from a terminal illness. He was in his early 20's. As you might imagine, people prayed like absolute crazy for this kid and he still died. Anyway, on to the point:
One day, that kid's dad was talking to a stranger, and this stranger mentioned that he has survived the same illness. He said that he had faith in god and that god had saved him due to all the prayers. The stranger wasn't aware of the other guy's loss.
How must that father have felt to hear this? This stranger said god saved him because he prayed and kept the faith, so god found favor in him but let this other guy's son DIE. If shit like this doesn't make people at least question their faith, then I don't know what else can.
I spoke in a general way to protect people's privacy, but this fucking happened right infront of my face and I BIT MY TONGUE.
Only God knows when our last day to live is. Some are kept around, some are called home to be judged. We all die eventually.
Its not a matter of whose faith was greater, its a matter of your faith in God's decisions. You are not going to like them all. This isn't Burger King - you cant have it "your way".
I've prayed for various things all my life - just asking for something does not mean you will get it.
How does your scenario cause a "crises of faith" for anyone?
And he should also know what the cause of death is to be. He's also said to have a plan for everyone, and the only way to reach that time and manner of death is by following that plan. Given that some people die at the hands of other people, or die only after enduring horrible pain and suffering, these things are also part of God's plan, thus God would indeed be responsible for someone's murder or cancer. If he's not responsible, then that leads to the conclusion that he doesn't know the date and time of death.Only God knows when our last day to live is. Some are kept around, some are called home to be judged. We all die eventually.
Its not a matter of whose faith was greater, its a matter of your faith in God's decisions. You are not going to like them all. This isn't Burger King - you cant have it "your way".
I've prayed for various things all my life - just asking for something does not mean you will get it.
How does your scenario cause a "crises of faith" for anyone?
I'm gonna stick my 2c in here. I died on the operating table for 10 minutes, when having a kidney transplant, my body shut down, my heart stopped and I saw no afterlife. When telling this to the religious people that knock on my door etc, their words "I didn't believe enough in god to be pulled through to heaven" or "god saw fit to show you nothing and give you life again"
Fucks me off, to me, it confirmed my belief in atheism.
And he should also know what the cause of death is to be. He's also said to have a plan for everyone, and the only way to reach that time and manner of death is by following that plan. Given that some people die at the hands of other people, or die only after enduring horrible pain and suffering, these things are also part of God's plan, thus God would indeed be responsible for someone's murder or cancer. If he's not responsible, then that leads to the conclusion that he doesn't know the date and time of death.
So, if he was somehow not responsible for causing that person's murder cancer, then he would not know the time and manner of death ahead of time - unless he's rigged the Universe such that it has some autonomy in certain things, so that it could simply find a way to meet the deadline: "This person is to die at this date and time. Method of death: Random selection. But death must occur at this date and time." Even that just seems rather unkind, stamping everyone with a specific expiration date, putting a rather substantial roadblock right there in the way of free will at that particular point in time.
You really go off on a tangent. God is not mortal, he is immortal. To try and consider him a man and apply to your lowly logic is a failure of your atheism.
God's plan is simple - to get you to heaven. He sent his Son, Jesus, to help us get there. Thats the only plan. Your conclusions and deductions beyond that are wrong.
No his plan is very complex. But I'll break it down.
1) Create beings so innocent they don't know right from wrong then give them orders to never do something (knowing they don't know right from wrong).
2) Let them fail then punish them with extreme abusive punishment.
3) Murder them, tell them to kill their fellow me simply because they are not in the 1 tribe of men you picked as your favorite.
4) Kill every first born son.
5) Have a son that's really you, but isn't you, then sacrifice him to yourself to appease your own strange anger management issues??
6) Only let in people to your magic happy place if they believe in you, but create a world that is so full of evidence that you don't exist. Refuse to help.
7) Never ask why you didn't just make all the people in heaven in the first place?
Even if God exists, he's evil.
If shit like this doesn't make people at least question their faith, then I don't know what else can.
Hmmm...should I believe the word of....