awkward "trust in god" comment

[JohnOfSheffield]

If I say I have faith in you, does that then mean that your assertion is valid?
If so, welcome aboard, Deity.

Indeed it does and i shall grant you eternal life and 72 kinky sluts after your death.

 

[Malak]

Yay, let's define god and religion as whatever the hell we want!

#makingshitupaswego

Stop trying to define God and ditch religion. EXPERIENCE God and live in love.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Stop trying to define God and ditch religion. EXPERIENCE God and live in love.

I would but i'm fresh out of peyote and PCP.

 

[busydude]

Stop trying to define God and ditch religion. EXPERIENCE God and live in love.

What does God have anything to do with love?

 

[WelshBloke]

Indeed it does and i shall grant you eternal life and 72 kinky sluts after your death.

Can I have mine next week?

It's just that the wife is away and I'll need some baby sitters and cleaners.

Stop trying to define God and ditch religion. EXPERIENCE God and live in love.

So god for you is a slightly fluffy feeling of wellbeing?

 

[Malak]

What does God have anything to do with love?

Everything. God is love and those who live in love live in God.

So god for you is a slightly fluffy feeling of wellbeing?

Do you truly have no concept of actual love in your life?

 

[Jeff7]

Indeed it does and i shall grant you eternal life and 72 kinky sluts after your death.

Psh, and here I thought you were going to be a better deity than the others. Every one always loves to promise you everything, but you always have to die first.

Stop trying to define God and ditch religion. EXPERIENCE God and live in love.

God? Capital-G God? The one defined in the Christian religion? Or some other one that exists outside of a religion?

Everything. God is love and those who live in love live in God.

Do you truly have no concept of actual love in your life?

This is why some of us can get a bit...discourteous, in threads like this: A reaction to these kinds of implications. "You don't know God? How can you possibly know anything about love, you puny subhuman garbage?" That sentiment oozes plentifully out of these kinds of statements.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Can I have mine next week?

It's just that the wife is away and I'll need some baby sitters and cleaners.

Sorry but you're going to have to wait until after death. It's in the rules.

 

[mizzou]

survivors of terrible illness and tragedy can find extremely powerful feelings in the unknown or religion.

victims of terrible illness and tragedy do the same.

Seeing that his prayers were answered may have been comforting....

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Psh, and here I thought you were going to be a better deity than the others. Every one always loves to promise you everything, but you always have to die first.

Well, at least i'm offering kinky sluts, not frigid virgins like i know some other Deities are offereing.

And if i just gave you sluts right now then you wouldn't have to work for them, the point of your life is to struggle and worship me, that way you'll get everything when you die.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

survivors of terrible illness and tragedy can find extremely powerful feelings in the unknown or religion.

victims of terrible illness and tragedy do the same.

Seeing that his prayers were answered may have been comforting....

In the meantime thousands of innocent children starved to death in excruciating pain.

Well, i suppose god just hates black kids.

 

[Malak]

God? Capital-G God? The one defined in the Christian religion? Or some other one that exists outside of a religion?

God exists only outside of religion. All religion is made by man, therefore God cannot exist within it.

This is why some of us can get a bit...discourteous, in threads like this: A reaction to these kinds of implications. "You don't know God? How can you possibly know anything about love, you puny subhuman garbage?" That sentiment oozes plentifully out of these kinds of statements.

I didn't imply anything, he defined "love" as "a slightly fluffy feeling of wellbeing" which tells me he doesn't have any concept of real love in his life. This is a concern, not a judgment. I'm responding to his queries directly, not condescending or implying anything at all. Nor do I have any intention of insulting him or making him feel bad.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

God exists only outside of religion. All religion is made by man, therefore God cannot exist within it.



I didn't imply anything, he defined "love" as "a slightly fluffy feeling of wellbeing" which tells me he doesn't have any concept of real love in his life. This is a concern, not a judgment. I'm responding to his queries directly, not condescending or implying anything at all. Nor do I have any intention of insulting him or making him feel bad.

No he did not, he defined your feeling of fod as a "slightly fluffy feeling of wellbeing".

To just blurt out that god is love is just preposterous and ignorant since not only can we feel love without god, we can measure the physical reactions in both hormonal and brain chemistry as well as neural activity in certain parts of the brain.

In short, love is a physical thing, it has NOTHING to do with an invisible deity.

 

[Fortification]

Everything. God is love and those who live in love live in God.

What if they live in love and happen to be an atheist?

 

[Malak]

What if they live in love and happen to be an atheist?

Then they are a wonderful person that should be an inspiration to others and helpful in making the world a better place.

 

[Fortification]

Then they are a wonderful person that should be an inspiration to others and helpful in making the world a better place.

Well, that's definitely not the answer I expected, lol. Thank you.

 

[WelshBloke]

Everything. God is love and those who live in love live in God.

There you go again. Redefining terms to suit your own personal philosophy.

God is god. Love is love.

Two separate things. You may love god, god may love you, but god =/= equal love. Thats why they are two different words.

Sorry but you're going to have to wait until after death. It's in the rules.

Now don't you be making me get out a large piece of wood and some nails now.


:sneaky:

 

[Malak]

There you go again. Redefining terms to suit your own personal philosophy.

I haven't redefined any terms yet, even in what you quoted.

God is god. Love is love.

Two separate things. You may love god, god may love you, but god =/= equal love. Thats why they are two different words.

My car is blue. Does that mean car and blue are the same thing? It's a defining characteristic. Love can be a characteristic too. Love is the most important topic in the gospel.

 

[WelshBloke]

My car is blue. Does that mean car and blue are the same thing? It's a defining characteristic...

Blue is not a defining characteristic of your car. The fact that it's a car is.

Your car is blue. My shirt is blue. My shirt is a car.

Would you like to buy my blue car?

 

[FelixDeCat]

In this thread, MeowCat put forth that God knows what you're going to decide in the future.
Speaking of course within the confines of this religion's ideology, this God also was the creator of absolutely everything. So you've got this entity which created everything, and which also knows exactly how every part of that "everything" will behave throughout the entire timeline, including the behaviors of every individual of the human population. Therefore, we are simply performing precisely as designed, following the script, to the letter, that was written long ago.

I try to read a random excerpt from the Bible daily. I have a pocket King James version I got when I was in Army in 1990. Ive kept it with me ever since. When I look into a Koran or Bible I see the passage. Sometimes however I see something different, a personal message. It takes faith to see it, but if you have it, you will.

That goes back to what I said before that God knows what you are thinking and your future. If you are planning to do wrong and havent fully considered the consequences, you might be warned of them.

There are many vessels. Vessels of God's mercy and vessels of His wrath. God warned Adam and Eve, yet they chose to disobey. Consequently, they were punished.

If you choose to break the Ten Commandments you may be spared or you may not. If you murder, your sentence may be lenient or you may be executed depending on the circumstances. If you steal and are caught, you might be shot on sight or you may be held for arrest and prosecution (and may wind up just on probation).

Before those actions came a plan to do wrong. God knew what you were up to and warned you that if you did it, you would "drink from the cup of wrath". If you need guidance, you will get it. It takes patience and faith to hear or see it.

Our thoughts and choices affect our futures and those of others. Yes we are weak and everyone makes mistakes, but we can always chose not to.

When we pray we put our thoughts into formal words. We talk to God. Seek and you will find. Faith without works is dead.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I try to read a random excerpt from the Bible daily. I have a pocket King James version I got when I was in Army in 1990. Ive kept it with me ever since. When I look into a Koran or Bible I see the passage. Sometimes however I see something different, a personal message. It takes faith to see it, but if you have it, you will.

That goes back to what I said before that God knows what you are thinking and your future. If you are planning to do wrong and havent fully considered the consequences, you might be warned of them.

There are many vessels. Vessels of God's mercy and vessels of His wrath. God warned Adam and Eve, yet they chose to disobey. Consequently, they were punished.

If you choose to break the Ten Commandments you may be spared or you may not. If you murder, your sentence may be lenient or you may be executed depending on the circumstances. If you steal and are caught, you might be shot on sight or you may be held for arrest and prosecution (and may wind up just on probation).

Before those actions came a plan to do wrong. God knew what you were up to and warned you that if you did it, you would "drink from the cup of wrath". If you need guidance, you will get it. It takes patience and faith to hear or see it.

Our thoughts and choices affect our futures and those of others. Yes we are weak and everyone makes mistakes, but we can always chose not to.

When we pray we put our thoughts into formal words. We talk to God. Seek and you will find. Faith without works is dead.

"if you choose"?

If god knows every choice you'll ever make and god cannot be wrong then all choices were decided before you were born. If your version of god is true than free will CANNOT exist because you cannot make a choice god doesn't know you will make, every single one of your choices are predestined in the knowledge of god.

Your version of god is incompatible with free will entirely and this argument isn't one you can win without rejecting logic entirely.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

There you go again. Redefining terms to suit your own personal philosophy.

God is god. Love is love.

Two separate things. You may love god, god may love you, but god =/= equal love. Thats why they are two different words.



Now don't you be making me get out a large piece of wood and some nails now.


:sneaky:

I'll be waiting in Chester, after midnight. :sneaky:

For those that don't know, it's English Law that if a Welshman is encountered in Chester after midnight you can legally shoot him with a crossbow.

 

[Cpus]

Why aren't any angels black? I think god is a racist bastard.

 

[FelixDeCat]

"if you choose"?

If god knows every choice you'll ever make and god cannot be wrong then all choices were decided before you were born. If your version of god is true than free will CANNOT exist because you cannot make a choice god doesn't know you will make, every single one of your choices are predestined in the knowledge of god.

Your version of god is incompatible with free will entirely and this argument isn't one you can win without rejecting logic entirely.

You should reread what I wrote. But in case it does not make sense, imagine this:

You write down your plans for one day in your life and give it to me. I read those plans. Among those plans is to first kill your neighbor and take his priciest possessions. Being that I know what you are going to do, I tell you why its a bad idea to kill someone and rob them and what will happen when police arrive to take you to jail.

You realize that you are about to make a fatal error and decide not to rob or kill your neighbor but rather do something more productive and beneficial for society, or at least something that doesnt break any of the Ten Commandments.

God works the same way - you may be warned not to do what your are planning - but you can chose whether or not you will ignore the warnings and do it anyway.

God help you if you dont heed Him.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Why aren't any angels black? I think god is a racist bastard.