Aziz Ansari #himtoo

[UglyCasanova]

https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/enter...ges-aziz-ansari-assaulted-her-after-date.html

Hmmm

 

[FIVR]

Lol this is like the lamest story I've ever seen. If you go on a date and then come to a guys house afterwards you sort of lose the "sexual harassment" argument afterwards. You were on a date, and you went to his apartment for the purpose of copulating. What a joke.



These #MeToo stories are beginning to sound like anybody who has a bad date gets their careers destroyed.

Edit: I read the second story first, the first one is much more detailed (I don't even know why the second one is included). Still, it sounds like she consented to everything. These kinds of stories just reinforce the opinions that many women are using their gender to destroy careers. This is not a Bill Cosby "durgged and raped" story or a harvey weinstien "locked me in the hotel and molested me" story. It's a joke.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Man if you read through the first story there’s a whole lotta "no" going on but he’s horny so it still means "yes".

 

[FIVR]

Man if you read through the first story there’s a whole lotta "no" going on but he’s horny so it still means "yes".

It says he asked her to go down on him and she did. I don't see any "no" or any physical force or anything lacking consent. If he asks her and she says no, and he asks her again and she does is that rape? It doesn't sound like rape to me.

I really wonder whether people who are unable to say "no" about many things in their lives are suddenly deciding they can now go back and find all the time they didn't say "no" and screw over the people who asked them to do those things which they later decided they didn't really want to do. It's retrospective regret and a re-evaluation of the circumstances in ways that benefit them socially and psychologically. She gets fame and lots of support and gets that "gross dude" she regrets sleeping with screwed over for life. She even states herself that it took her a long time to decide that it was a "sexual assault". Nobody went on dates with Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby. Those women didn't need years to know it was a sexual assault. Harvey and Bill just took what they wanted, by force. This is totally different scenario.

 

[UglyCasanova]

If the woman kept indicating she didn’t want to do it then that should be that. She kept moving her hand away and he kept moving it onto his dick over and over. She asked him to just chill with clothes on and he still kept sticking his fingers down her throat (which is odd in and of itself). Just because he bought her dinner and they went back to his place doesn’t automatically mean sex is a given.

 

[alien42]

yet another thread by the fake oppression bullshit artist.

hey ugly, GFYS!

 

[UglyCasanova]

Anything related to the topic at hand..?

 

[alien42]

Anything related to the topic at hand..?

WTF is wrong with you?

seriously.

do you really feel oppressed?

doesn't really matter, you're going on ignore.

 

[jackstar7]

Anything related to the topic at hand..?

Do you worry about this being a witch hunt?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Sure. Are you doubting the women?

 

[UglyCasanova]

WTF is wrong with you?

seriously.

do you really feel oppressed?

doesn't really matter, you're going on ignore.

You can’t answer the question so you ignore me.

No loss

 

[UNCjigga]

Hmm, I dunno about this one... Sounds like she was totally into him and expected him to be a real classy romantic, and in reality he turned out to be a horny, sexually immature bro. When it became more and more apparent he isn't the cute lovable goofball he always portrays on TV, she got turned off.

Sexual assault this isn't, but I'm still confused about where the line gets crossed between a bad date and sexual harassment.

 

[interchange]

There are many cases like this. When people are uncomfortable with things, very many are afraid of direct confrontation, particularly when there is a power differential. I do not believe Aziz was aware, and I would not label it criminal, but I do believe it was wrong. I do not believe education on "no means no" is enough. We need to instill respect, empathy, awareness of other's indirect cues. I actually believe someone who has those skills doesn't need education about "no means no". They will stop because they will appreciate they are doing something wrong.

 

[Perknose]

Sexual assault this isn't, but I'm still confused about where the line gets crossed between a bad date and sexual harassment.

A very bad date for her.

But yes, where the line gets crossed between a bad date and formal, all caps "sexual harassment" is tricky. What we are (finally!) starting to hear is the woman's side of these encounters, which is needed, which is progress.

 

[zinfamous]

So what I'm hearing in this thread for the first time ever is that accepting an invitation into a dude's apartment after a date means it is open season on his being able to do with you whatever he wants?

Man, I never knew this! It seems that I have been missing out on so much ~legal, socially acceptable harassment and rape!

 

[KMFJD]

if you don't want to engage in sexual activity with someone, don't start engaging in sexual activity with someone, regret does not make it rape does it?

/i guess i should read tfa

 

[cytg111]

"no" "stand up" and "leave"
That is the other end of the spectrum where women, and men, learns to give off clean signals and insists on them.
She could and should have left at any time during that experience. Why didnt she?

 

[child of wonder]

Obviously our species cannot procreate without a signed, written contract explicitly detailing each individual sex act performed by the man plus witnesses present at the actual event to ensure the act proceeds as previously agreed.

This is ridiculous.

 

[interchange]

"no" "stand up" and "leave"
That is the other end of the spectrum where women, and men, learns to give off clean signals and insists on them.
She could and should have left at any time during that experience. Why didnt she?

Indeed, her actions defy logic. They do not defy humanity. There is abundant evidence that human beings in similar situations act as she did. Your question should not be, "why didn't she?", it should be "why don't people?".

 

[Linux23]

How stupid is she. She didn't want to have sex but yet she stays in his apartment.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So, he's guilty of sprinting right to third base.

Let's group everything from awkward dates to predatory rape into one big bucket.

Question for the twitter tribunal. How large of a check does he now need to write for the crime of being a crappy date, or should we just end his career here and now?

 

[jackstar7]

Sure. Are you doubting the women?

I don't doubt them. Nor do I think it is a witch hunt.

But now we know you have that concern. Thanks for confirming.

 

[Sunburn74]

Hmmm... Sounds like a bad date more than anything else. Honestly it is getting to were if you're taking a lady out you need to get a witnessed contract signed these days.

 

[Jaskalas]

Hmmm... Sounds like a bad date more than anything else. Honestly it is getting to where if you're taking a lady out you need to get a witnessed contract signed these days.

Written contract for what? People always have the right to say no.

We're dealing with a case where she wants to say no but refuses to act on it.

 

[Paladin3]

When I read in the second linked story her text message to Aziz the day after a red flag went up for me. Not that I don't believe her, but it sure looks like that text was her trying to put everything she is claiming on record. Aziz knew what he did and I don't think she needed to spell it out to him in graphic detail to tell him she was upset over what had happened. It sounds a bit like the kind of thing one of my kids would say when they knew a parent was listening and they wanted to get the other one in trouble.

I can't say what happened because I wasn't there, but the journalist in me would have at least asked her about it. Only an idiot takes every claim at face value without investigating first.