Aziz Ansari #himtoo

[ch33zw1z]

Yeah, when you're a celeb, you just move on her like a bitch and grab her by the....

 

[snarfbot]

sloots gon sloot lol

 

[Svnla]

The accuser claimed Aziz ignored her "non verbal clues" during the encounter.

I can see it now from now on.....for all guys.

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to kiss you"?

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to enter you"?

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to proceed"?

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to do it again"?

<camera zooms out and shows no one is in the room except the guy and the girl>

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated statement that it was a full consensual encounter, you were not under pressure and your utmost statement that you won't fill legal challenge in a later date?"

<guy saved the video in a bank safe deposit box for years and years until he is dead and/or has no money/no longer a celebrity>

 

[jackstar7]

The accuser claimed Aziz ignored her "non verbal clues" during the encounter.

I can see it now from now on.....for all guys.

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to kiss you"?

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to enter you"?

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to proceed"?

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to do it again"?

<camera zooms out and shows no one is in the room except the guy and the girl>

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated statement that it was a full consensual counter, you were not under pressure and your utmost statement that you won't fill legal challenge in a later date"?

<guy saved the video in a deposit box for years and years until he is dead and/or has no money/no longer a celebrity>

The horror of having to openly communicate with women.

 

[ImpulsE69]

The horror of having to openly communicate with women.

Let's not be dense. I had this impression most of us were adults and capable of thought.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Because it is silly. People are free to do it. It's not going to do anything to solve the problem.

It's also an abdication of active responsibility. Men could just act responsibly and respectfully and that would solve more of the problem. People in power don't want to have to think about what they're doing, they just want to give in to their basest impulses and desires without consideration. That needs to change.

I might argue the concept of affirmative consent is also an abdication of active responsibility. A big part of sex positivism is being comfortable and confident in what you want. If nonverbal queues are failing, fucking speak up. The Atlantic article touched on this well. This whole thing is interesting because (taking the story as 100% truth) Aziz is clearly a horny can't take a hint creep with no game, and the girl is a weak victim incapable of exiting the situation even when presented with multiple chances. One wonders how clear these nonverbal signals were when she comes across so feeble in her own telling of events.

I also find it incredibly curious how much of a pass the media is giving Aziz in all the victim backlash think pieces considering how much his career and public persona is built around relationship commentary. While I don't think a career ending public shaming by the Twitterati is an even remotely appropriate response to a "bad date," when your personal actions contradict the persona you built your career around, well maybe you deserve it.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

A feminist that gets it:

Aziz Ansari Is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader.
https://nyti.ms/2EIbKzZ

Thanks, hadn't seen this one. This article is so insanely on point it hurts. What really infuriates me with nu-feminism is how much it infantilizes women and robs them of their agency, and this article does a good job discussing that. It takes two to tango. Guys need to get a fucking clue, but as long as there are women who don't seize their agency and stand up for themselves, there will be disgusting men whose behavior is reinforced by their "successful conquest" over them.

 

[WackyDan]

A feminist that gets it:

Aziz Ansari Is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader.
https://nyti.ms/2EIbKzZ

Don't worry... She'll be labelled as last wave feminist and outcast. The MeToo movement is eating their own.

 

[WackyDan]

The accuser claimed Aziz ignored her "non verbal clues" during the encounter.

I can see it now from now on.....for all guys.

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to kiss you"?

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to enter you"?

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to proceed"?

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated consent to do it again"?

<camera zooms out and shows no one is in the room except the guy and the girl>

"Miss..do I still have your full and unadulterated statement that it was a full consensual encounter, you were not under pressure and your utmost statement that you won't fill legal challenge in a later date?"

<guy saved the video in a bank safe deposit box for years and years until he is dead and/or has no money/no longer a celebrity>

I feel sorry for the young twenty-something men and women out there dating and never again being able to let something progress naturally.

 

[WackyDan]

I might argue the concept of affirmative consent is also an abdication of active responsibility. A big part of sex positivism is being comfortable and confident in what you want. If nonverbal queues are failing, fucking speak up. The Atlantic article touched on this well. This whole thing is interesting because (taking the story as 100% truth) Aziz is clearly a horny can't take a hint creep with no game, and the girl is a weak victim incapable of exiting the situation even when presented with multiple chances. One wonders how clear these nonverbal signals were when she comes across so feeble in her own telling of events.

I also find it incredibly curious how much of a pass the media is giving Aziz in all the victim backlash think pieces considering how much his career and public persona is built around relationship commentary. While I don't think a career ending public shaming by the Twitterati is an even remotely appropriate response to a "bad date," when your personal actions contradict the persona you built your career around, well maybe you deserve it.

I hope he turns this into some interesting and new material. Joke will be on her.

 

[Exterous]

I also find it incredibly curious how much of a pass the media is giving Aziz in all the victim backlash think pieces considering how much his career and public persona is built around relationship commentary. While I don't think a career ending public shaming by the Twitterati is an even remotely appropriate response to a "bad date," when your personal actions contradict the persona you built your career around, well maybe you deserve it.

I'm not sure its so much thats hes getting a pass but rather a larger conflict has grown up around it. There seem to be two waves of feminists at odds over the issue. On one side we have ones who feel this portrays women as weak and fragile and the other where they feel women shouldn't have to be direct about their comfort level. Add in the relative disparity between Anziz and Weintsein's actions and comments about Aziz's actions tend to be relegated to peripheral references in articles

 

[Atreus21]

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

haha. What a novelty. If you're going to oppress someone, make sure you tell them they deserve it. Gee that's never happened before.

 

[ch33zw1z]

haha. What a novelty. If you're going to oppress someone, make sure you tell them they deserve it. Gee that's never happened before.

Feels like != is

 

[Atreus21]

Feels like != is

What?

 

[ch33zw1z]

What?

....

Read what you quoted, and then your post. Feels like is not equal to "is"

 

[Jaskalas]

Feels like != is

What?

I think he's telling us that the social media lynch mob is a-okay.

 

[Atreus21]

I think he's telling us that the social media lynch mob is a-okay.

Well right.

 

[Atreus21]

It's enlightening to see the progressive victimhood hierarchy get hammered out. It's like watching sports. I'd thought brown-skinned people would rank above women, but now women, even white women which surprised me, take the lead. If only he'd been black, or better yet transgendered, he'd have given progressives more cause for consideration.

Boy, I hope Bruce Jenner never finds himself accused of unpleasant sex. Then progressives will really have a problem.

 

[pmv]

It's enlightening to see the progressive victimhood hierarchy get hammered out. It's like watching sports. I'd thought brown-skinned people would rank above women, but now women, even white women which surprised me, take the lead. If only he'd been black, or better yet transgendered, he'd have given progressives more cause for consideration.

Boy, I hope Bruce Jenner never finds himself accused of unpleasant sex. Then progressives will really have a problem.

No idea what you are talking about. Don't care for _Caitlyn_ Jenner,, myself, because she's both a Republican and a lousy driver. I think people generally judge the behaviour not the characteristics of the person.

(Also I just don't trust hero-worship of celebs in general)

 

[momeNt]

I thought it would take a little longer for the hit squad of privileged young white women to open fire on brown-skinned men. I had assumed that on the basis of intersectionality and all that, they’d stay laser focused on college-educated white men for another few months.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/

Sad to see that the movement has creeped into brown. Cosby being the exception of course.

 

[Jaskalas]

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/

Sad to see that the movement has creeped into brown. Cosby being the exception of course.

Aziz-ansari did not deserve this public humiliation for some pedestal of starting a new conversation, via the hijacking of actual victims of abuse, sexual assault and rape. This new topic raises questions of coercion and why some people may consent to things they don't actually want. But this was a terrible way to start it.

 

[momeNt]

Aziz-ansari did not deserve this public humiliation for some pedestal of starting a new conversation, via the hijacking of actual victims of abuse, sexual assault and rape. This new topic raises questions of coercion and why some people may consent to things they don't actually want. But this was a terrible way to start it.

This woman is a Lena Dunham wannabe, "You know what? I wish I was raped too!!"

 

[jackstar7]

I feel sorry for the young twenty-something men and women out there dating and never again being able to let something progress naturally.

This is a great point.

What you describe as "naturally" is just traditional. It's appeal to antiquity, and it's an error in reason.

 

[jackstar7]

Let's not be dense. I had this impression most of us were adults and capable of thought.

The number of people using the word libtard here should probably have tipped you off about the number of non-thinkers and non-adults.

But putting that aside, explain why what I said is bad. Why is it bad to encourage open and honest communication between people who might have sexual interest? And how was what I was responding to not hyperbolic bullshit anyways? It's not as though anyone is demanding lawyers attend dates. The goal is respectful behavior that runs deeper than holding a door.

The number of dudes who seem to be both mad about this AND not at all affected by it is silly though.

 

[WackyDan]

This is a great point.

What you describe as "naturally" is just traditional. It's appeal to antiquity, and it's an error in reason.

You can let something progress naturally and still both be respectful of each other's boundaries. "No", or "I need to stop this now" are pretty clear indicators along with "I'm putting my clothes on, can you call me a cab or drive me home?".

It isn't fucking rocket science and shouldn't need to be between adults. We've all had bad dates. We've all had bad sexual experiences that we later regretted. That transcends gender. Running to the media because your dream date with a celebrity didn't end up the fairy tale experience you built yourself up to expect is fucking petty. Maybe the guy is a bad kisser, sucks at oral or is just plain awkward sexually. If he had been less awkward and maybe presented a bit more foreplay this wouldn't even be in the news today.

I have a daughter. I worry about when she is older, but I'm also raising her to hopefully execute on any common sense she'll actually have as a young adult and own her choices - Ones she is in the process of making and the ones she has already made by that time. Hopefully she'll be bright enough to understand what she needs to do in foggier scenarios such as this and hopefully she'll come out swinging if she ever faces an actual assault.