He was arrested, charged, found guilty and put in prison? Ah, no, he didn't get applauded when his name was mentioned at an awards show that he didn't attend. But yeah, I can see how someone might think that it's the same.
Damage done. Aziz Ansari Skips 2018 SAG Awards, Receives No Applause When Mentioned
He's treated no different than a rapist now, right?
I'm not defending her. She's someone who clearly got in over her head and didn't have the sense to get out.how are you still defending this wench?
We should dig on her character because it's terrible.
Character attacks are justified in this case, because it shows how terribly and untrustworthy the accusations are.
I'm not defending her. She's someone who clearly got in over her head and didn't have the sense to get out.
But I don't see the point in piling on her. She's demonstrated who she is. There's nothing to debate there. But it doesn't change the facts of the matter that have not been disputed. For many people the onus is placed on the less powerful person in a situation like that to resist with all their being at every opportunity, and that's just not how people work, and people don't really hear obfuscated/polite 'no's' in most situations.
I'm not defending her. I'm saying that her situation doesn't change the value of the movement and the outcomes that are still possible.
What I don't get is the people who seem to want to profit by calling this a witch hunt. What's the gain except a continuation of shit behaviors?
I'm not defending her. She's someone who clearly got in over her head and didn't have the sense to get out.
But I don't see the point in piling on her. She's demonstrated who she is. There's nothing to debate there. But it doesn't change the facts of the matter that have not been disputed. For many people the onus is placed on the less powerful person in a situation like that to resist with all their being at every opportunity, and that's just not how people work, and people don't really hear obfuscated/polite 'no's' in most situations.
I'm not defending her. I'm saying that her situation doesn't change the value of the movement and the outcomes that are still possible.
I think it is 100% dependent on happening when it did for all the good/ill of it. But an edge case should not invalidate a movement that has plenty of validity.Serious question. Do you think that this would have been a story had this all happened a year ago? Do you believe the reaction to this is different given the context of #metoo?
The court of public opinion works best on established public figures, but sure you want to be part of shitting all over her, carry on. I just hope you take a moment to consider why you're doing it.Why are you worried about that? The whole point of this story was to toss them both into the court of public opinion, where Aziz was subsequently piled on. Why are you worried about the same thing happening to her? I thought we liked the court of public opinion. After all, she's not going to jail or anything.
The court of public opinion works best on established public figures, but sure you want to be part of shitting all over her, carry on. I just hope you take a moment to consider why you're doing it.
She's never going to get anything positive out of this. I'm sure she has no idea how stupid she's been in all this.
And...?That's such an extreme bias. You're wanted the disorganized tsunami to publicly shame these people, because that's what you feel will bring effective change. You were with others that were consistently resigned to the fact that there might be a few innocents or minor cases who get caught up and unnecessarily punished, but that their voluntary or involuntary falling upon the spear of angered masses was paltry to the good of the movement. Now this uncontrolled tsunami that she called upon washes back over her, and your resolve that she's just a minor sacrifice to the greater good does not come across so boldly, and yet you maintain that whatever is happening to Aziz is no big deal.
And...?
He was arrested, charged, found guilty and put in prison? Ah, no, he didn't get applauded when his name was mentioned at an awards show that he didn't attend. But yeah, I can see how someone might think that it's the same.
How many men named and shamed on #metoo have been arrested? Is being prosecuted by law the only damage society can do to a person? WTF is wrong with you to mock and minimize this? Public opinion alone ended Roy Moore's career. Moore's prospects in life are over. He was guilty and it was deserved, but no court of law will ever touch him. There are serious consequences outside the legal system.
I presented clear proof that Mr. Ansari has been damaged by the allegation. And not of rape, or assault. Someone didn't like the night they had with him, and now he is socially damaged and outcast. And you mock the damage of mob justice? Do not be a cowardly enabler of social lynching. Show some empathy for those being destroyed, and stand for the right thing when the mob so clearly gets it wrong.
You've got a lot of feelings there, dude.And that's it. There's nothing. It's obvious that someone so irrational cannot make valid arguments on this topic, so that's really all there is to it. You're welcome to keep trodding out the same statements, but your argument that she shouldn't be receiving shame because reasons but he should receiving shame because reasons is just illogical, so there's little to discuss at this point. The court of public opinion will keep on keeping on.
Unfortunately for you, and specific to the Ansari story, the court of public opinion is becoming increasingly sympathetic to him, especially after the babe.net editor sent an unhinged email to Banfield, which she tore apart. The damage is already done for Ansari, but the negative press is putting appropriate boundaries on these kinds of ridiculous allegations.Yeah the men, they're always the *real* victims. Fucking wimmins should just shut up now as it's getting a bit inconvenient for the men folk and all their whining is getting boring.
You've got a lot of feelings there, dude.
You keep making my point for me. Thanks.Lol, the irony in your post is rich. If that's really what you took from it, then I guess it at least partially explains why your posts are so awful.
You keep making my point for me. Thanks.
Sorry, was there a point when you wanted to have a discussion about this topic? You seemed much more focused on me and your own ranting.More silliness from you. Keep on making my point for me. Thanks.
Sorry, was there a point when you wanted to have a discussion about this topic? You seemed much more focused on me and your own ranting.
I said this lone incident shouldn't disrupt or derail the movement.Yep, sorry you missed it while focused on what you thought others were focused on. Other people have been discussing too, so not to worry. Did you have any point that you can discuss rationally?
I said this lone incident shouldn't disrupt or derail the movement.
Does that qualify for your standards or rationality?
Why would the first thing you do be to put words in my mouth?Yes it does. So following that train, you believe that this Incident should not have ever been part of the movement, and it should not have been framed as such by any of the participants, correct? Because if you rejected it as a part of the movement, it would make sense that it should not be included with the movement. That would be rational.