B-Ball GOAT and General Career Ranking Thread

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zinfamous

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He did honor their drafting him. He played two seasons in the Rockies organization minor league affiliates and had a career batting average under .230

....oh right, did he do that during the summers in the first couple of seasons? I know he went straight to the NFL, and that he did show up for Rockies practices early on, for photo ops. ...I don't recall him actually playing in he minors though.

Few are probably aware of this (unless you support the Wolfpack of NC State), but the reason he was kicked off the football team after his 3rd year, and being the unquestionable best player in the rather mediocre ACC football league for those 3 years, is because he called our then-HC's threat that he needed to choose either football or baseball for his senior year. Well, HC kicked him off when Wilson refused to make that choice, and NCAA waived his sit-out year due to circumstances, found a program willing to start him for his final year, and let him play baseball...where he actually went on to win the Big10 that single year in Wisconsin, B10 player of the year, MVP, etc etc. LoL. ...in an actual football league.

Good news is that NC State fired that dumbfuck coach after the following season.
 
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I notice that no one has Steph Curry in their list...curious...and damn, it's only been like, 2 years since he was proclaimed "Greatest Ever and someone like MJ was never even great at one thing...."

lol. wtf is Speedy when you need him to own that shit?
No one wants to believe that you can be the best ever, when you are completely average to below average in everything but shooting. It's very possible that a prime Curry, shooting lights out, is the scariest offensive force the NBA has ever seen. Is he a top 5 player of all time? To me, no. He could very well beat any team, of any era, on any night, when his shot is on.
 

zinfamous

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No one wants to believe that you can be the best ever, when you are completely average to below average in everything but shooting. It's very possible that a prime Curry, shooting lights out, is the scariest offensive force the NBA has ever seen. Is he a top 5 player of all time? To me, no. He could very well beat any team, of any era, on any night, when his shot is on.

Oh, I very much agree. Just like to reminisce about how 98% of us could understand his general mediocrity beyond the single thing that he could do very well, for so very long, and how that has been proven to be quite true to this point. Some though...true believers.

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I'm also surprised no one has mentioned Durant either. Looks like LeBron just takes 100% of the spotlight right now...
 

zinfamous

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I'm also surprised no one has mentioned Durant either. Looks like LeBron just takes 100% of the spotlight right now...

part of the "being stuck on a mediocre team" for a long time symptom. I'd definitely take him over Steph, and pretty much anyone else in this generation outside of LeBron, though.

Goes back to the difficulty of doing cross-generational comparisons. Duncan was one of those guys that basically crossed-over from the 90s era bball into this new ~iso streetball garbage that the NBA now tries to pass off as basketball, and succeeding well in both eras. But other than the way the game is played, and doing those comparisons, there is the way that teams are composed, how freely superstars now move from team to team just to try and create "a product"--that is a single-season juggernaut to win a title, by tossing the ball around between 2-3 megastars and determining greatness by how those 2-3 dudes navigate the ball into the hoop. There really isn't much to an actual team these days. Those don't seem to exist, really?

When you look at the names people are mentioning, pretty much the same top 4 or 5 are in everyone's list, even in different generations, these were arguably classic, great teams. So I think people still put high value in that (probably a factor of sampling--chances are that such great teams will mean multiple championships, and they do, of course, so therefore this kind of success sticks to those individuals, as well, in our minds)


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Oh, and in response to your dumb question in the other thread about why so many people defend Jordan, and (in your mind, and your mind only--it is always only in your mind where the thoughts of others exist; because you have to create these arguments so that you can argue against them. I think you do this because you don't know how to function without being angry and dismissive towards nearly everyone you encounter?) the thought that "no one considers his great Bulls teams!"....

LMAO! How about this--if there were maybe, some sort of test we could run, where we can compare those great Bulls teams with Jordan, their unquestionable dominance to the league around them, to the very same team, without Jordan, controlling for annoying variables like era, age of the same stars, their ability to compete in the league at the very same time, and to further control with, say, a returned Jordan, to see if he could still perform on that very same team....if only WE COULD KNOWN these things in order to get an idea of how truly great Jordan was, and how truly special he made those very good Bulls teams.

IF ONLY THERE WAS A WAY!
 
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spacejamz

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Dirk..best 7' 3 point shooter ever...and that one legged fade jump shot thing he started...
 

manly

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I think that most people will say that "the best" on their list would be "the best of their generation" simply because they were around during it actually happening.

And for me it is Jordan. And I would argue that to the grave lol.

It's also hard to say who is the best when we're talking across generations just because the game is so different.
Not much argument to be honest, there's Michael Jordan and then there's everybody else.
LeBron James has great cumulative (and sustained) stats after such a long productive career, but very few ever dominated the NBA the way Jordan did in his prime. For the record, I was never really a Jordan fan (growing up a Showtime Lakers fan) and I'm a longtime LBJ fan. There's just not much comparison between the two unless you're arguing LBJ was really really good for a very long time. IMO that doesn't put him in the GOAT conversation.

ESPN did an all time rank 4 years ago, and I think they did a good job with the top 10 (scroll down):
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankalltime/greatest-players-ever

At that time, I thought LBJ was ranked a little too high and personally I think Wilt has been somewhat underrated because he fell short against the Celtics superteams so many times. People don't really understand how thoroughly Wilt dominated big men in the 1960s. Even watching the low-fi clips of Wilt playing the NCAA Final 4 in the mid 1950s is insane. It looks like a cartoon how much bigger and faster he is than the other players of the time. So I don't leave Wilt off of the NBA Mount Rushmore.
 
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