Question B650 motherboard's which one

[DAPUNISHER]

All the extra I/O for the 670 boards sounds great in theory, but how many people will actually use it? Most are going to have 1-3 M.2 drives and a single GPU in the top x16 slot. Any B650 board will handle that just fine. Now if you start doing something more than that the extra PCI lanes may benefit you. Despite the availability of Gen 5 drives I stuck with Gen 4 due to price and temps. I just didn't see the benefit of Gen 5 when I built my system almost 18 months ago, nor do I even see it now. And we still don't have any Gen 5 GPUs.

But if you can get an X670 for similar price points to B650, than by all means it makes sense to do so.

The hardest thing I do 99% of the time is game. Even B550 handles that great. I am just taking the opportunity to retire my last vanilla Zen 3 system and swap to Zen 4 3D. I have decided I am going to wait for the new boards though. If nothing else early adopters might start selling their present boards in the forums and I can pick up a deal. I have always made out great with used boards I buy here.

@NS99

If you can hold out that long, it might be worth the time to see what the dynamics are after the new boards hit. Looking forward to your results whatever way you go,

 

[Rigg]

All the extra I/O for the 670 boards sounds great in theory, but how many people will actually use it? Most are going to have 1-3 M.2 drives and a single GPU in the top x16 slot. Any B650 board will handle that just fine. Now if you start doing something more than that the extra PCI lanes may benefit you.

The extra I/O you get from going X670 is all connected to the CPU with the same 4.0x4 chipset uplink as B650. Even if you need the extra I/O you have to start worrying about bottle necks if the devices connected to it are using up bandwidth simultaneously. The X670 chipset itself is kind of silly IMO. That being said there are still plenty of excellent boards that use it.

Despite the availability of Gen 5 drives I stuck with Gen 4 due to price and temps. I just didn't see the benefit of Gen 5 when I built my system almost 18 months ago, nor do I even see it now. And we still don't have any Gen 5 GPUs.

Same here. I've yet to buy a Gen 5 drive despite having built multiple systems with motherboards that supported Gen 5 drives. Even if we do get next gen GPUs with Gen 5 I doubt we'll be anywhere near saturating a 4.0x16 slot anytime soon.

But if you can get an X670 for similar price points to B650, than by all means it makes sense to do so.

The flip side of this is you shouldn't automatically assume that because a board has X670 it's automatically better than a B650. For example, the Asus ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI i picked up from Amazon last year for $270 is a considerably better featured board than most X670 boards on the market. It's priced accordingly ($350 MSRP) for that very reason. Ultimately each board should be judged on it's own merits and not necessarily for the chipset it comes with.

 

[NS99]

The hardest thing I do 99% of the time is game. Even B550 handles that great. I am just taking the opportunity to retire my last vanilla Zen 3 system and swap to Zen 4 3D. I have decided I am going to wait for the new boards though. If nothing else early adopters might start selling their present boards in the forums and I can pick up a deal. I have always made out great with used boards I buy here.

@NS99

If you can hold out that long, it might be worth the time to see what the dynamics are after the new boards hit. Looking forward to your results whatever way you go,

I agree the most my new PC will do is gaming, I guess the 2 things I'm really looking for value for my money and upgrade ability with the board, hopefully in 5 years it will still be worth using with some up grades

I'm going to wait, because i'm hoping the 7900gre will come down a bit, if so I'll grab that. If the B650 steel legend comes back in to stock for the $270 range I'll jump on that, otherwise i'm just going to wait for one of the x670e boards to come on sale that price and grab it. I'm interested to see what these new boards are going to be like, but I though I heard they would not be out until maybe Jan of next year.I could be wrong though

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I thought we'd start seeing new boards in September? As to 5yrs from now, I used a ASRock X370 that long, put every Zen gen and almost every APU gen in it. It was still a great gamer with Zen 3 and fast GPU. Gen 3 never held it back to any noticeable degree. Gen 4 GPUs will still be fine is my prediction, but gen 5 support would be nice to have if keeping the board so long.

 

[Blazer7]

I thought we'd start seeing new boards in September? As to 5yrs from now, I used a ASRock X370 that long, put every Zen gen and almost every APU gen in it. It was still a great gamer with Zen 3 and fast GPU. Gen 3 never held it back to any noticeable degree. Gen 4 GPUs will still be fine is my prediction, but gen 5 support would be nice to have if keeping the board so long.

X870 boards will probably be available a bit later.

AMD Delays Launch of Ryzen 9000 Series Processors

AMD X870E & X870 AM5 Motherboards To Launch On 30th September

 

[NS99]

X870 boards will probably be available a bit later.

AMD Delays Launch of Ryzen 9000 Series Processors

AMD X870E & X870 AM5 Motherboards To Launch On 30th September

Thanks for the info,


Good it might drive down the price of some of the current stuff at some point,

Bad it will probably black friday sales until I finish my build lol

 

[NS99]

All the extra I/O for the 670 boards sounds great in theory, but how many people will actually use it? Most are going to have 1-3 M.2 drives and a single GPU in the top x16 slot. Any B650 board will handle that just fine. Now if you start doing something more than that the extra PCI lanes may benefit you. Despite the availability of Gen 5 drives I stuck with Gen 4 due to price and temps. I just didn't see the benefit of Gen 5 when I built my system almost 18 months ago, nor do I even see it now. And we still don't have any Gen 5 GPUs.

But if you can get an X670 for similar price points to B650, than by all means it makes sense to do so.

Hey In2Photos, I have a question, I seen an older post of yours where I believe you said you had a B650 Msi edge wifi Motherboard, wondering if you still have it and what are your thoughts on it, overall likes , dislikes. I can find a block diagram on it and from what I'm reading I'm a bit confused on the M.2 lane sharing, if I use a single gpu in the x 16 slot and 1 M.2 in the 5x4 slot, ( it will be a 4x4 card though) everything should run at max correct ? but if a add a second M.2 card in either the number 2 or 3 M.2 slot how does that effect lane sharing, will the second M.2 card run at 4x4 or 4x2, I'm unclear how that works on this board. hope what i said makes sense lol and if you or anyone has an input that would be great.

And yup still looking for a Motherboard and CPU to finish my build lol, pricing hasn't been favourable lol

 

[Rigg]

Hey In2Photos, I have a question, I seen an older post of yours where I believe you said you had a B650 Msi edge wifi Motherboard, wondering if you still have it and what are your thoughts on it, overall likes , dislikes. I can find a block diagram on it and from what I'm reading I'm a bit confused on the M.2 lane sharing, if I use a single gpu in the x 16 slot and 1 M.2 in the 5x4 slot, ( it will be a 4x4 card though) everything should run at max correct ? but if a add a second M.2 card in either the number 2 or 3 M.2 slot how does that effect lane sharing, will the second M.2 card run at 4x4 or 4x2, I'm unclear how that works on this board. hope what i said makes sense lol and if you or anyone has an input that would be great.

And yup still looking for a Motherboard and CPU to finish my build lol, pricing hasn't been favourable lol

You can run a GPU in PCI_E1 along with NVMe drives in both M.2_1 and M.2_2 at rated speeds with 9000/ 7000 Series processors.

M.2_1 (PCIe 5.0 x4) and M.2_2 (PCIe 4.0 x4) are connected directly to the CPU. The PCI_E1 PCIe 4.0 x16 slot is connected directly to the CPU. The PCI_E1, M.2_1, and M.2_2 slots have dedicated lanes and aren't effected by other slots being populated.

PCI_E2 & M2_3 are connected to the chipset and share bandwidth. PCI_E2 will run at x2 speed and M2_3 will run at x2 speed when installing devices in both slots.

 

[NS99]

You can run a GPU in PCI_E1 along with NVMe drives in both M.2_1 and M.2_2 at rated speeds with 9000/ 7000 Series processors.

M.2_1 (PCIe 5.0 x4) and M.2_2 (PCIe 4.0 x4) are connected directly to the CPU. The PCI_E1 PCIe 4.0 x16 slot is connected directly to the CPU. The PCI_E1, M.2_1, and M.2_2 slots have dedicated lanes and aren't effected by other slots being populated.

PCI_E2 & M2_3 are connected to the chipset and share bandwidth. PCI_E2 will run at x2 speed and M2_3 will run at x2 speed when installing devices in both slots.

Thank you very kindly Rigg for your reply,

thats exactly as i thought it should be, and how it is shown on the spec sheet, the question I had about it working like that came from a you tube vid I watched on this board., the guy states that PCI-E1 and M2_1 are on the CPU and the M2_2 and M2_3 along with PCI-E2 are on the chipset and share lanes, and the M2_2 will run at 4x2 not 4x4, I thought he was wrong but wanted to question it.

My hopes of getting a 7800x3d have been trashed lol due to price, But they got a bunch of combo deals on here in Canada now with 7600x so I'm going that route
my option now are
7600x / B650 Tomahawk wifi for $463
7600x / B650 MPG edge wifi for $503
7600x/ x870 steel legend wifi for $553
7600x /x870 Riptide wifi for 568
The MSI MPG Edge motherboard gives me everything i need i think. its has ARGB/ RGB connectors, EZ debug leds, enough m2 slots good audio etc, if I was to move up it would be the riptide for the black board, it is nice. but I don't know what I'd gain, I don't have wifi or a USB4 port on my board now so not sure if i'd even use those lol. and I'm not going to need a PCIE 5 x16 slot, For 65 bucks do you think the X870 is worth the upgrade?

 

[Rigg]

Thank you very kindly Rigg for your reply,

No problem.

thats exactly as i thought it should be, and how it is shown on the spec sheet, the question I had about it working like that came from a you tube vid I watched on this board., the guy states that PCI-E1 and M2_1 are on the CPU and the M2_2 and M2_3 along with PCI-E2 are on the chipset and share lanes, and the M2_2 will run at 4x2 not 4x4, I thought he was wrong but wanted to question it.

As, you point out, the you tube dude is in direct contradiction with the documentation. I trust the documentation. I have a B650 tomahawk wifi that has the same slot arrangement/spec. Unfortunately, I just pulled it off my test bench yesterday so I can't confirm 100% for you.

My hopes of getting a 7800x3d have been trashed lol due to price, But they got a bunch of combo deals on here in Canada now with 7600x so I'm going that route
my option now are
7600x / B650 Tomahawk wifi for $463
7600x / B650 MPG edge wifi for $503
7600x/ x870 steel legend wifi for $553
7600x /x870 Riptide wifi for 568
The MSI MPG Edge motherboard gives me everything i need i think. its has ARGB/ RGB connectors, EZ debug leds, enough m2 slots good audio etc, if I was to move up it would be the riptide for the black board, it is nice. but I don't know what I'd gain, I don't have wifi or a USBC port on my board now so not sure if i'd even use those lol. and I'm not going to need a PCIE 5 x16 slot, For 65 bucks do you think the X870 is worth the upgrade?

In the context of a 7600x based system? It's probably not worth it. On the other hand, the USB4, 5.0 main PCIE/NVME slots, and the extra I/O could come in handy down the road for upgrades/expansion. It's always a bit dicey to try and 'future proof' your build by paying for motherboard features that you won't immediately utilize. I'd put that $60-100 toward a better CPU if it were me.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/amd-desktop-processors/266233/amd-r7-7700x-cpu-msi-mag-b650-tomahawk-wifi-motherboard-t-force-32gb-d5-6000mhz-cl30-ram.html

 

[NS99]

No problem.



As, you point out, the you tube dude is in direct contradiction with the documentation. I trust the documentation. I have a B650 tomahawk wifi that has the same slot arrangement/spec. Unfortunately, I just pulled it off my test bench yesterday so I can't confirm 100% for you.



In the context of a 7600x based system? It's probably not worth it. On the other hand, the USB4, 5.0 main PCIE/NVME slots, and the extra I/O could come in handy down the road for upgrades/expansion. It's always a bit dicey to try and 'future proof' your build by paying for motherboard features that you won't immediately utilize. I'd put that $60-100 toward a better CPU if it were me.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/amd-desktop-processors/266233/amd-r7-7700x-cpu-msi-mag-b650-tomahawk-wifi-motherboard-t-force-32gb-d5-6000mhz-cl30-ram.html

Thanks again great info

Funny you mention the Tomahawk lol thats how this all started, I seen the 7600x deal for $463 which is not a bad buy. whats your overall thoughts of the Tomahawk, it looks like a good board, the only reason I thought about going with the MPG Edge is its a bit more flashy ( looks) better heat sinks and 5x4 M2_1, Maybe better future proof, My thoughts were if i got the 7600x combo now 2 years down the road I could upgrade the CPU to something a bit better then if I needed. But your probably right the Tomahawk is probably all the board I need

I was actually looking at that 7700x combo you posted, If I wouldn't have already bought my Ram that would be the way to go, however I could always sell it, if thats the case and i get my money back for the ram , its basically a $500 7600x/ MPG Edge combo vs a $500 7700x/ Tomahawk combo, looking at that way the 7700x would be the way I think.

7600x vs 7700x if I'm right I'd see about 8 to 10% gain in FPS (1440P) so 8 to 20 FPS depending on the game. both are rated at 105w, I'm not sure of cooling though will one CPU run cooler then the other., I also wonder does the 7600x benefit equally the same as the 7700x with the 24h2 update.

Sad part is I could have bought the 7800x3d for $400 CDN 2 weeks before prime days, and though know I'll wait, that was a mistake lol

 

[In2Photos]

Hey In2Photos, I have a question, I seen an older post of yours where I believe you said you had a B650 Msi edge wifi Motherboard, wondering if you still have it and what are your thoughts on it, overall likes , dislikes. I can find a block diagram on it and from what I'm reading I'm a bit confused on the M.2 lane sharing, if I use a single gpu in the x 16 slot and 1 M.2 in the 5x4 slot, ( it will be a 4x4 card though) everything should run at max correct ? but if a add a second M.2 card in either the number 2 or 3 M.2 slot how does that effect lane sharing, will the second M.2 card run at 4x4 or 4x2, I'm unclear how that works on this board. hope what i said makes sense lol and if you or anyone has an input that would be great.

And yup still looking for a Motherboard and CPU to finish my build lol, pricing hasn't been favourable lol

Yes I have the B650 Edge Wifi. I have had zero issues with the board. The only thing I wish it had it is BIOS reset button on the back panel. Since I have my GPU vertically mounted it is difficult to access and when playing around with RAM speed and timings I've had to reset it a couple of times. So I bought a cheap switch from Amazon and connected it to the pins on the motherboard than ran it out the back of the case. Other than that it has been great!

I think Rigg already answered your other questions regarding PCI lanes.

The Tomahawk is a good board. My son has the B550 version. When I bought my system I was debating between the Edge for the white build and the B650 Carbon for a black build. In the end I went with the Edge and an all white build. I'm not even sure the Carbon model is available anymore.

 

[Rigg]

Thanks again great info

Funny you mention the Tomahawk lol thats how this all started, I seen the 7600x deal for $463 which is not a bad buy. whats your overall thoughts of the Tomahawk, it looks like a good board, the only reason I thought about going with the MPG Edge is its a bit more flashy ( looks) better heat sinks and 5x4 M2_1, Maybe better future proof, My thoughts were if i got the 7600x combo now 2 years down the road I could upgrade the CPU to something a bit better then if I needed. But your probably right the Tomahawk is probably all the board I need

They look to be pretty much the same board with the differences you noted. The Edge also has a 6 layer PCB. I bought my Tomahawk because it was a good open box deal and I'm a parts hoarder. I've really only post tested it on my test bench and haven't put into a system for day to day use. I'll likely be selling it in a 7600X3D combo in the near future. I think it's a good meat and potatoes B series board with decent features and a solid VRM for the money.

I was actually looking at that 7700x combo you posted, If I wouldn't have already bought my Ram that would be the way to go, however I could always sell it, if thats the case and i get my money back for the ram , its basically a $500 7600x/ MPG Edge combo vs a $500 7700x/ Tomahawk combo, looking at that way the 7700x would be the way I think.

I'm not really familiar with the Canadian PC parts market. Going purely off the exchange rate the CC bundles appear to be the equal of Micro Center bundles here in the US. They're arguably better since they're are more motherboard options. That's saying something considering the MC bundles are the best deal going here in the States by a long shot. I would take a faster CPU over a slightly better motherboard every time unless that motherboard had a feature I absolutely needed.

7600x vs 7700x if I'm right I'd see about 8 to 10% gain in FPS (1440P) so 8 to 20 FPS depending on the game. both are rated at 105w, I'm not sure of cooling though will one CPU run cooler then the other., I also wonder does the 7600x benefit equally the same as the 7700x with the 24h2 update.

With a 7800XT @ 1440P it's unlikely you'd see any meaningful difference in average FPS in a multi game test suite. This is because most games will be GPU bound and the test runs may not be representative of more CPU heavy areas of the game. PC game testing is an absolute minefield of variables and misleading data. In CPU bound gaming scenarios the 7700X is a faster CPU. By how much depends on the game and settings. I didn't follow the 24H2 saga too closely. I try to avoid windows as much as possible. I've yet to install W11 on any of my systems and use linux more than W10 these days.

Edit: As far as cooling goes, I'd stick a Thermalright Phantom Spirit variant on either CPU, set a 85C temp limit, and call it a day. These will both run up 95C in a heavy enough work load if you let them. There is very little extra performance gained (and a lot of power wasted) by letting them run up to 95C. A Phantom spirit w/ 85C limit should get it in a sweet spot in terms of performance/thermals/power in heavy multi-threaded workloads and won't be a limitation at all in gaming. Especially if you tweak curve optimizer and add +200 boost. Throwing more cooling at these is generally a waste of money IMO.

 

[NS99]

I think I'm going to go with the powercolor Hellbound 7800xt as its decent priced and has good overclocking capability, do you think the Tomahawk would have an issues with overclocking the GPU ? Thanks

 

[NS99]

They look to be pretty much the same board with the differences you noted. The Edge also has a 6 layer PCB. I bought my Tomahawk because it was a good open box deal and I'm a parts hoarder. I've really only post tested it on my test bench and haven't put into a system for day to day use. I'll likely be selling it in a 7600X3D combo in the near future. I think it's a good meat and potatoes B series board with decent features and a solid VRM for the money.



I'm not really familiar with the Canadian PC parts market. Going purely off the exchange rate the CC bundles appear to be the equal of Micro Center bundles here in the US. They're arguably better since they're are more motherboard options. That's saying something considering the MC bundles are the best deal going here in the States by a long shot. I would take a faster CPU over a slightly better motherboard every time unless that motherboard had a feature I absolutely needed.



With a 7800XT @ 1440P it's unlikely you'd see any meaningful difference in average FPS in a multi game test suite. This is because most games will be GPU bound and the test runs may not be representative of more CPU heavy areas of the game. PC game testing is an absolute minefield of variables and misleading data. In CPU bound gaming scenarios the 7700X is a faster CPU. By how much depends on the game and settings. I didn't follow the 24H2 saga too closely. I try to avoid windows as much as possible. I've yet to install W11 on any of my systems and use linux more than W10 these days.

Thanks again for you time to write all this info, you've been a great help much appreciate it

 

[Rigg]

Thanks again for you time to write all this info, you've been a great help much appreciate it

You're welcome. I added this bit to my last post right after you replied that you may have missed:

Edit: As far as cooling goes, I'd stick a Thermalright Phantom Spirit variant on either CPU, set a 85C temp limit, and call it a day. These will both run up 95C in a heavy enough work load if you let them. There is very little extra performance gained (and a lot of power wasted) by letting them run up to 95C. A Phantom spirit w/ 85C limit should get it in a sweet spot in terms of performance/thermals/power in heavy multi-threaded workloads and won't be a limitation at all in gaming. Especially if you tweak curve optimizer and add +200 boost. Throwing more cooling at these is generally a waste of money IMO.

 

[Rigg]

I think I'm going to go with the powercolor Hellbound 7800xt as its decent priced and has good overclocking capability, do you think the Tomahawk would have an issues with overclocking the GPU ? Thanks

GPU overclocking won't be effected by the motherboard unless the GPU is being bandwidth limited by the slot. This is a non issue here. GPU OC is dependent on the individual piece of silicon's ability to maintain clocks at lower voltage balanced by power and thermal limitations.

 

[NS99]

They look to be pretty much the same board with the differences you noted. The Edge also has a 6 layer PCB. I bought my Tomahawk because it was a good open box deal and I'm a parts hoarder. I've really only post tested it on my test bench and haven't put into a system for day to day use. I'll likely be selling it in a 7600X3D combo in the near future. I think it's a good meat and potatoes B series board with decent features and a solid VRM for the money.



I'm not really familiar with the Canadian PC parts market. Going purely off the exchange rate the CC bundles appear to be the equal of Micro Center bundles here in the US. They're arguably better since they're are more motherboard options. That's saying something considering the MC bundles are the best deal going here in the States by a long shot. I would take a faster CPU over a slightly better motherboard every time unless that motherboard had a feature I absolutely needed.



With a 7800XT @ 1440P it's unlikely you'd see any meaningful difference in average FPS in a multi game test suite. This is because most games will be GPU bound and the test runs may not be representative of more CPU heavy areas of the game. PC game testing is an absolute minefield of variables and misleading data. In CPU bound gaming scenarios the 7700X is a faster CPU. By how much depends on the game and settings. I didn't follow the 24H2 saga too closely. I try to avoid windows as much as possible. I've yet to install W11 on any of my systems and use linux more than W10 these days.

Edit: As far as cooling goes, I'd stick a Thermalright Phantom Spirit variant on either CPU, set a 85C temp limit, and call it a day. These will both run up 95C in a heavy enough work load if you let them. There is very little extra performance gained (and a lot of power wasted) by letting them run up to 95C. A Phantom spirit w/ 85C limit should get it in a sweet spot in terms of performance/thermals/power in heavy multi-threaded workloads and won't be a limitation at all in gaming. Especially if you tweak curve optimizer and add +200 boost. Throwing more cooling at these is generally a waste of money IMO.

perfect, but I kinda fell into the waste of money category, at least performance wise, I wanted my pc to be a little bit aesthetically pleasing this time lol , So I went with an NZXT H6 case, glass front and side. RGB ram and a Kraken elite 280 liquid cooler, got it on sale at newegg for $150, reg,300 so I said what the hell lol
good to know about the CPU and and overclocking.

 

[In2Photos]

I think I'm going to go with the powercolor Hellbound 7800xt as its decent priced and has good overclocking capability, do you think the Tomahawk would have an issues with overclocking the GPU ? Thanks

Rigg already pointed out that the motherboard shouldn't affect the OC ability of that card. If that card is anything like my 6800XT it could benefit most from undervolting. I was able to achieve slightly better than stock performance at ~200W vs ~270W using the AMD Adrenaline software. Just using a straight overclock did provide more performance but used a lot of power to do it and thermals took a hit. With the undervolt temps are really good, fan speeds stay low so it's quiet, and of course the power savings is pretty big.

 

[Rigg]

perfect, but I kinda fell into the waste of money category, at least performance wise, I wanted my pc to be a little bit aesthetically pleasing this time lol , So I went with an NZXT H6 case, glass front and side. RGB ram and a Kraken elite 280 liquid cooler, got it on sale at newegg for $150, reg,300 so I said what the hell lol
good to know about the CPU and and overclocking.

Meh don't sweat it. Aesthetics and cool factor is part of the fun. I tend to focus on absolute bang for the buck when offering advice or when I build systems for resale. I have often splurged on luxury/aesthetics in my own builds over the years. I blew a ton of cash on a custom loop rig 5 years ago that's been collecting dust for 2 years. LOL

 

[Rigg]

Rigg already pointed out that the motherboard shouldn't affect the OC ability of that card. If that card is anything like my 6800XT it could benefit most from undervolting. I was able to achieve slightly better than stock performance at ~200W vs ~270W using the AMD Adrenaline software. Just using a straight overclock did provide more performance but used a lot of power to do it and thermals took a hit. With the undervolt temps are really good, fan speeds stay low so it's quiet, and of course the power savings is pretty big.

This was my exact same experience with both my 6900XT and my current 7900XT. Under-volting and lowering the power limit a bit is the way to go. I also got slightly better than stock performance with lower temps and much less power usage on both of my cards.

 

[NS99]

yes I should have been more specific, Under-volting is exactly what they were doing and adding more frequency to the memory. I'm not sure how much of that I'll get into but i play around with it down the road

 

[NS99]

I'll open up another can of worms lol, speaking GPU, My decision to get a 7800 xt is solely based of youtube/ review etc, I currently only have a 1080p monitor and the biggest GPU I have used is GTX 760 lol, thats what i have now. but I'm getting a 1440p monitor and I'd like to game in 1440p. realistically how big of a card do I need, I mean I know bigger is going to be better, but what about the 7600 Xt or even 7700 xt the 7600xt are 16gb but older tech I guess, one of those are $380 to $540 a 7700 xt for about $550, I can get an RX 6600 for $270 but that might be going back to far,
I guess what I'm asking is for the average gamer, not competitive on line or anything like that, can these other GPUS play 1440 p med, to maybe high setting, I know all games will run different, but I'm curious to what you guys think having way more hands on knowledge then me. .

 

[Shmee]

For 1440p, I would probably want at least 16GB of memory on the card, and would start looking at around the 7800XT. You might also consider RDNA2 cards if they are available for a decent price, such as the 6800, 6800XT, or 6900XT. My bet is most of the deals on these are gone already, but you can look. As for current cards, beyond the 7800XT, I would consider the 7900GRE and 7900XT, as well as the 4070Ti Super, but these should all be a more expensive, save the 7900GRE which may be pretty close in price to the 7800XT. You could also consider deals on 7900XTX, but again, probably more money, and I forget what PSU you are using so keep that in mind as well.

 

[NS99]

So here is what I can get
RX 6800 $550
RX 6800 XT $670 and up
RX 6900 XT 1 to 3K

for 7800 xt
ASRock Challenger Radeon RX 7800 XT 649
XFX SPEEDSTER QICK319 Radeon RX 7800 XT 699
SAPPHIRE PULSE Radeon RX 7800 XT 649
PowerColor Hellhound Radeon RX 7800 XT 699
SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 7800 XT 719

GIGABYTE Radeon RX 7800 XT 599​

for 7900gre they start 750 and up not sure I want to go that high

thanks