Baby boomers are what's wrong with America's economy

JSt0rm

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-boomers-american-economy-20151107-story.html

great article running down all the issues with the boomer generation. Some snippets:

Boomers soaked up a lot of economic opportunity without bothering to preserve much for the generations to come. They burned a lot of cheap fossil fuels, filled the atmosphere with heat-trapping gases and will probably never pay the costs of averting catastrophic climate change or helping their grandchildren adapt to a warmer world. They took control of Washington at the turn of the millennium, and they used it to rack up a lot of federal debt, even before the Great Recession hit.

If anyone deserves to pay more to shore up the federal safety net, either through higher taxes or lower benefits, it's boomers - the generation that was born into some of the strongest job growth in the history of America, gobbled up the best parts, and left its children and grandchildren with some bones to pick through and a big bill to pay.
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Meanwhile, future generations will have to pay the costs of weaning the world from fossil fuels and/or adapting to warmer temperatures, rising seas and more extreme weather. (Estimates vary, but some projections suggest that could total trillions of dollars for the United States alone.) They will also have to shoulder the burden of keeping America's retirement promises to the boomers. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the rising costs of Social Security and government health care that will stem from an aging population will consume two more percentage pointsof America's economic output by 2040. If policymakers don't find the revenue to pay for it all, the CBO projects that the national debt will climb past 100 percent of annual gross domestic product - quadruple its post-World War II low.

And yet almost no one suggests that boomers should share the pain of shoring up those programs. Folks my father's age like to say they've paid for those benefits, so they should get them in full. But they haven't. The Urban Institute has estimated that a typical couple retiring in 2011, at the leading edge of the boomer wave, will end up drawing about $200,000 more from Medicare and Social Security than they paid in taxes to support those programs. Because Social Security benefits increase faster than inflation, boomers will enjoy bigger checks from the program, in real terms, than their parents did.
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me talking now

Boomers should take a small hit on their ss. If they were serious about not having other generations pay for their ss they should of done things while they had power to stop it from happening.

assholes.
 
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Billb2

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We baby boomers elected local. state and federal representatives that we thought were level headed, responsible people. They spent money they didn't have and we couldn't afford on things they thought we needed in order to retain their political power and get re-elected.

Yes, Social Security payment could be reduced to help pay the national debt. But if you push the numbers, at the current rates, Social Security would have to be completely eliminated for 22.5 years to pay off the national debt which is about $62,000 for every man, woman and child in the USA and growing phenomenally.

Why don't you just send a check for $60,000 to Uncle Sam?
 

ivwshane

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We baby boomers elected local. state and federal representatives that we thought were level headed, responsible people. They spent money they didn't have and we couldn't afford on things they thought we needed in order to retain their political power and get re-elected.

Yes, Social Security payment could be reduced to help pay the national debt. But if you push the numbers, at the current rates, Social Security would have to be completely eliminated for 22.5 years to pay off the national debt which is about $62,000 for every man, woman and child in the USA and growing phenomenally.

Why don't you just send a check for $60,000 to Uncle Sam?


It seems like you just laid out exactly why we shouldn't be paying uncle Sam for your mistakes and greed.
 

pmv

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I'm wary of this generational politics stuff. Because it seems to have a tendency to ignore the massive divisions within generations - divides that can be bigger than those between them. Almost like there's a deliberate bit of divide-and-rule going on.

On climate-change and fossil fuels there might be a valid point. But it seems like every generation does the same - everyone seems to discount the future when it comes to environmental issues. The death-cult that is climate-change denial has plenty of members from younger generations than baby-boomers - no-one is keen to face reality and make any changes themselves if they can instead off-load the concequences onto their children and grandchildren.
 
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pcgeek11

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Yes, spoiled brats boomers are, indeed!

Whatever... We both know who I was talking about.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/are-millennials-too-spoiled-for-the-workplace/

But millennials had some serious image problems, too. More than half of CFOs thought that millennials were less loyal to their companies, while 46 percent said they have an attitude of entitlement. And 31 percent said millennials require more intense management, while 27 percent said millennials are more interested in their own personal development than they are in the company.
In other words, you may be creative and know computers inside and out, but no one likes a prima donna.
 

pmv

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Whatever... We both know who I was talking about.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/are-millennials-too-spoiled-for-the-workplace/

But millennials had some serious image problems, too. More than half of CFOs thought that millennials were less loyal to their companies, while 46 percent said they have an attitude of entitlement. And 31 percent said millennials require more intense management, while 27 percent said millennials are more interested in their own personal development than they are in the company.
In other words, you may be creative and know computers inside and out, but no one likes a prima donna.

And companies have done so much over recent decades to earn loyalty from their employees?

Perhaps Milllenials have just been paying attention and have wised-up to how little 'loyalty' they are likely to get in return?
 

pcgeek11

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And companies have done so much over recent decades to earn loyalty from their employees?

Perhaps Milllenials have just been paying attention and have wised-up to how little 'loyalty' they are likely to get in return?

They reap what they sow...
 

Meghan54

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Because Social Security benefits increase faster than inflation, boomers will enjoy bigger checks from the program, in real terms, than their parents did.

Can't remember when this ever happened.....certainly not anytime in the last few decades. If anything, SS payment increases have lagged well behind inflation.
 

tommo123

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Whatever... We both know who I was talking about.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/are-millennials-too-spoiled-for-the-workplace/

But millennials had some serious image problems, too. More than half of CFOs thought that millennials were less loyal to their companies, while 46 percent said they have an attitude of entitlement. And 31 percent said millennials require more intense management, while 27 percent said millennials are more interested in their own personal development than they are in the company.
In other words, you may be creative and know computers inside and out, but no one likes a prima donna.

wait, bar the "more intense management" thing what's wrong with that? it's saying basically that the millennials are working to live and instead of living to work. that's sane and healthy. living to work is nuts unless it's your own company you're trying to build. and as for the loyalty... ,a company has no loyalty to a person so they can't expect loyalty in return. a person develops themselves and for a time might be a better employee/better at that job but still gets paid the same so they jump ship. nothing wrong with that
 
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fskimospy

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They reap what they sow...

Are you seriously trying to say that decreases loyalty from companies to employees was caused by millenials? Is this a joke? Companies have been steadily decreasing their commitment to employees since before the first millenials was a gleam in its father’s eye.

Boomers have been primarily in charge of government for the last 20 years at least, arguably longer than that. It’s time to own up to the fact that when confronted with the long term threat of climate change your generation did nothing. You’ve spent a generation cutting taxes on yourself to build up a debt you use to justify cutting benefits on future generations.

It’s not the whole generation but at least when it comes to governance the boomers were the worst generation the US has seen in the modern era.
 

hal2kilo

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Are you seriously trying to say that decreases loyalty from companies to employees was caused by millenials? Is this a joke? Companies have been steadily decreasing their commitment to employees since before the first millenials was a gleam in its father’s eye.

Boomers have been primarily in charge of government for the last 20 years at least, arguably longer than that. It’s time to own up to the fact that when confronted with the long term threat of climate change your generation did nothing. You’ve spent a generation cutting taxes on yourself to build up a debt you use to justify cutting benefits on future generations.

It’s not the whole generation but at least when it comes to governance the boomers were the worst generation the US has seen in the modern era.
I did not vote for a single politician in my lifetime to do what you accused me of. I hope your kids turn on you.
 

fskimospy

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I did not vote for a single politician in my lifetime to do what you accused me of. I hope your kids turn on you.

I hope you learn to read posts more carefully before cursing other people and throwing yourself a pity party.

As I said it’s not the whole generation, but the end result of the policies your generation enacted is as I described it.
 
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Puffnstuff

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And all along I was thinking that a boomer was a missile submarine. Boomers comprise highest percentage of workers in the current workforce with us Gen Xers right behind them.
 
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ivwshane

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And all along I was thinking that a boomer was a missile submarine. Boomers comprise highest percentage of workers in the current workforce with us Gen Xers right behind them.

I'm sure you had a point to that post.
 

ch33zw1z

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That's great for those that can return to college or university. I can only assume this is the result of some military benefit?
 
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