Discussion Back to school, without a teacher: Inside the struggle to keep teachers at rural schools

ch33zw1z

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A lot of information in that article, good information regarding how we treat educators and why they flee both rural and urban districts. I encourage everyone to read it, because education makes a difference.
 

Maxima1

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-school-back-teaching-jobs-salary/2018092001/

well, who would have known that eliminating collective bargaining would lead to teachers leaving WI. and making harder to replace them. /s

When you have states like CA and NY giving a high premium for public employees, that's pretty obvious. Why not the other way, though, in that states like CA and NY reduce taxes on the public and reduce teacher compensation? Economists say Uber is good.
 

dawp

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A lot of information in that article, good information regarding how we treat educators and why they flee both rural and urban districts. I encourage everyone to read it, because education makes a difference.
I think one of the major points is that it isn't always about the money. being treated like they matter to the community helps a hell of a lot, maybe even more than the cash.
 

ch33zw1z

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I think one of the major points is that it isn't always about the money. being treated like they matter to the community helps a hell of a lot, maybe even more than the cash.
Yea, i definitely agree. Teachers want to be treated like they make a difference and matter in the community. I've sat in countless meetings with the school district, and this is plainly obvious.
 

Homerboy

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As a lifelong Wisconsinite, we really have fucked over our educators, and in turn, our children. Horrible shame, We'll end up giving Alabama a run for the money as the dumbest state in the union.
 

dawp

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As a lifelong Wisconsinite, we really have fucked over our educators, and in turn, our children. Horrible shame, We'll end up giving Alabama a run for the money as the dumbest state in the union.
as a former Wisconsinite, born and raised and moved out in the mid 80s, it make me sad to see what walker did to the state and I hope y'all can fix it in the near future. they really screwed over the kids in the state.

the school system I went to in the 70s was a good one, doubt todays version would compare favorably with back then.
 
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Homerboy

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as a former Wisconsinite, born and raised and moved out in the mid 80s, it make me sad to see what walker did to the state and I hope y'all can fix it in the near future. they really screwed over the kids in the state.

the school system I went to in the 70s was a good one, doubt todays version would compare favorably with back then.

It's really a complete mess. Between MPS just being a complete shitshow (with little light at the end of the tunnel) and these extreme rural locations being all but abandoned, the outlook doesn't look good. My kids are just wrapping up their public HS education and it's been a mixed bag of good and bad (and this is in what is considered a very good district). Our city just approved $125M in updates to old and building new elementary schools. It's probably one of the more (if not most) sought out public school teaching gigs in the state... granted it's still not enough.

Walker screwed the teachers. Screwed the state. Much like the US as a whole though, the mindset and goals of rural areas are EXTREMELY different than the urban areas.
 
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Everyone is leaving rural areas, especially the kids of those that do live there.

This isn't surprising in the least. We need to find a way to create more urban areas or we are doomed to get immensely more stuffed into cities.
 

dawp

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It's really a complete mess. Between MPS just being a complete shitshow (with little light at the end of the tunnel) and these extreme rural locations being all but abandoned, the outlook doesn't look good. My kids are just wrapping up their public HS education and it's been a mixed bag of good and bad (and this is in what is considered a very good district). Our city just approved $125M in updates to old and building new elementary schools. It's probably one of the more (if not most) sought out public school teaching gigs in the state... granted it's still not enough.

Walker screwed the teachers. Screwed the state. Much like the US as a whole though, the mindset and goals of rural areas are EXTREMELY different than the urban areas.
I grew up in Kenosha, just north of the IL border on the lake. school when I went had a fantastic music program.
 
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pauldun170

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As a lifelong Wisconsinite, we really have fucked over our educators, and in turn, our children. Horrible shame, We'll end up giving Alabama a run for the money as the dumbest state in the union.
as a former Wisconsinite, born and raised and moved out in the mid 80s, it make me sad to see what walker did to the state and I hope y'all can fix it in the near future. they really screwed over the kids in the state.

the school system I went to in the 70s was a good one, doubt todays version would compare favorably with back then.

Scott Walker and his Republican values. This is his legacy.

Tony Evers (D), Wisconsin’s state superintendent of public education and a former teacher, won the governor’s race against incumbent Scott Walker (R). Walker, who has undermined teachers unions and supported the underfunding of public education in the state throughout this career as governor, recently tried to recast himself as a champion for public schools. Voters didn’t buy it.

Walker became governor in 2010, survived a recall effort, and was re-elected in 2014 with 52 percent of the vote. For years, he was considered a rising Republican star.

Walker signed legislation that stripped the majority of Wisconsin’s public sector unions of their collective bargaining rights and made it harder for unions to collect dues and cut education by $1.2 billion during his first five years as governor. The former resulted in sweeping protests at the state capitol in 2011. Madison schools closed due to teacher sickouts in response to this proposal. He has only recently supported education funding increases, which Evers has approved of, but it still didn’t make up for those slashed education budgets.

After Walker’s actions maimed teachers unions, 10.5 percent of public school teachers in the state left the teaching profession after the 2010-2011 school year, according to a 2017 Center for American Progress report. That is an increase of 6.4 percent from the previous school year. Teachers in the 2015-2016 school year had less experience than teachers in 2010-2011 school year. Many teachers are also switching districts to receive better pay, hurting rural districts with less resources.
https://thinkprogress.org/scott-wal...-race-former-teacher-tony-evers-bb503fabac1e/
 

IronWing

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Republicans love the uneducated. This is a very intentional strategy for them.
Maybe, but they love having someone else raise their kids even more. A poorly paid, inexperienced, unmotivated teacher is fine but having no teacher means they don't have a place to dump their kids.
 

Sunburn74

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Everyone is leaving rural areas, especially the kids of those that do live there.
I think this is the general problem. It's hard to get good teachers in rural areas. But even jobs where people are compensated highly can't be filled in rural areas. One example is doctors. Many specialists can get their current 6 figure salary easily doubled if not tripled if they would move to rural regions. However they don't move because money isn't everything. Generally speaking no one invests their youth with training and hard work whilst dreaming of working in a town with more cows than people. Does money matter? Yes but it's not the only factor or even the major factor for many people.
 

Maxima1

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I think this is the general problem. It's hard to get good teachers in rural areas. But even jobs where people are compensated highly can't be filled in rural areas. One example is doctors. Many specialists can get their current 6 figure salary easily doubled if not tripled if they would move to rural regions. However they don't move because money isn't everything. Generally speaking no one invests their youth with training and hard work whilst dreaming of working in a town with more cows than people. Does money matter? Yes but it's not the only factor or even the major factor for many people.

The article suggest that it was something more abrupt, though. People have been leaving rural areas for a long time. Though 30 applicants isn't bad for one position especially if most or all were qualified.

Wabeno’s administrators now get 30 applications for positions that used to attract 300. This year, said Jeffrey Walsh, superintendent of the school district, one of the school's openings didn't get a single application well into August.

“You used to be able to sit back and they would fall in your lap,” Walsh said. “Now you have to pursue teachers to get them here.”
 

Jhhnn

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Maybe, but they love having someone else raise their kids even more. A poorly paid, inexperienced, unmotivated teacher is fine but having no teacher means they don't have a place to dump their kids.

Upper income folks send their kids to private school. Problem solved.
 

Luna1968

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Everyone is leaving rural areas, especially the kids of those that do live there.

This isn't surprising in the least. We need to find a way to create more urban areas or we are doomed to get immensely more stuffed into cities.


many states are having this issue. my local news did a story on it a few weeks ago.
 

senseamp

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Never interfere with your enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself.
 
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