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Had originally planned to go with...

intel e8400 CPU on

ASUS P5Q Pro mobo

w/ 4G DDR2 800...

but am no gamer(yet anyway...) so am now wondering if intel e7200 CPU will be enough. Trying to save enough to buy new video camera...
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: fishoutofwater
Had originally planned to go with...

intel e8400 CPU on

ASUS P5Q Pro mobo

w/ 4G DDR2 800...

but am no gamer(yet anyway...) so am now wondering if intel e7200 CPU will be enough. Trying to save enough to buy new video camera...

enough for what?

word motzilla? and all the other day to day computing?

You going to factor overclocking? then yes its still more then enough.

do you encode? but dont mind the slightly longer wait?


This question is like, hi guys i just downgraded from a expedition to a explorer, will it fit?

BTW, welcome to anandtech.

 
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[*]enough for what?

mostly music, pix, and want to get into some home movie stuff... have a new granddaughter so lots of pix & vids to play w/...:camera:
 

VirtualLarry

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If you are doing more video editing than you are game playing, then consider the Q6600, or if budget is no object, a 45nm quad-core.
 
Jul 1, 2008
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Well...First I have heard to go quad. Perhaps have to rethink my whole strategy. Little more money on CPU, little more money on mobo, memory...Seems I must make a new list & get back to you guys. Time for more "Research"!!!
 

Majic 7

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The Q6600 are less than 200 now at the egg, OEM. You should be able to get a more than adequate MB for less than 100 if you don't do any gaming. Memory is almost free now. Maybe a 30 dollar video card if the board doesn't have onboard video. The Q6600 seems perfect for what you are doing.
 

themisfit610

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How serious are you about video editing? If you're planning on using Windows Movie Maker, or some other ultra-basic NLE, there's no reason to have a big bad quad core.

If you're going to run Premiere, Vegas, or some other pro-level NLE, then by all means - throw all the CPU horsepower you can afford at it.

If you're just going to edit DV, it really doesn't matter. If you're editing HD - thats another story

~MiSfit
 
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have seen where the e6600 lacks SSE-4...So still thinking Q9450. Would love to be able to get by with e8400 just for the price but even though I am just going to start off with standard apps I want the potential to expand without having to run out & buy new CPU in 6 months. Looking to spend aound 1500 before monitor & printer...those are other issues I will address later. Thnx Y'all!!!:thumbsup:
 

aigomorla

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nah you dont seem like the type to do massive encoding.

I think you just need a well built system. and that E7200 should be way more then enough power for what you need.

If you need more just overclock it a little, and watch it fly.

A quadcore is only needed if you do massive multi tasking. There isnt even many games which fully support a quadcore.

I think a quadcore would honestly be overkill for what you seem to be saying.

Save the extra cash, grab the E7200, buy your grand daughter some toys, and get recieve a kiss.


My 2 cents.
 
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Funny how 2 cents can often be worth so much more.

I need to be brought back down to earth every once in a while...but still love to dream big. I will probably split the difference and go with the E8400 just to say I have it. Once I hit the big time I will invest in the big boy toys!!!
 

themisfit610

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SSE4 is NOTHING.

I promise

The only benchmark that shows significant advantage is a Divx benchmark which is totally aritificial. SSE4 dramatically accelerates the totally exhaustive motion search option, which will improve compression maybe .05% over the next-best option, which is many orders of magnitude faster. In this (any every other sane configuration) SSE4 is useless

Don't let marketing scare you! SSE4 and even SSE3 are pretty much useless for video encoding.

~MiSfit
 

Dadofamunky

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Originally posted by: fishoutofwater
Had originally planned to go with...

intel e8400 CPU on

ASUS P5Q Pro mobo

w/ 4G DDR2 800...

but am no gamer(yet anyway...) so am now wondering if intel e7200 CPU will be enough. Trying to save enough to buy new video camera...

I'd go with the 8400, myself. The price premium isn't much and you get a lot of CPU out of the box.

Are you also Fishoutofwater on DailyKos?
 

BoboKatt

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If you look at the very many CPU reviews that are current, you will see comparisons of the 8400, 8500, a slew of quads from Intel and AMD etc.. What you notice right away is that in gaming the 8400 and 8500 always lead - of course. In video encoding, note that the 8400/8500 do very very well if we are comparing stock speed vs say stock 9300 or q6600. In other words what the dual cores lose out in cores, they almost make up by being a good 600mhz+ faster to start. So this is great if you don?t overclock.

For gaming and everyday use, there is simply no comparison as the dual wins every time -- my quad was a 'nice" to have but a fast newer, cooler running dual is still a better fit for most folks. However all this was valid till you can now get a Q6600 for peanuts (like $200). Pretty hard to pass that up for most, whether you do encode or not.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: fishoutofwater
Funny how 2 cents can often be worth so much more.

I need to be brought back down to earth every once in a while...but still love to dream big. I will probably split the difference and go with the E8400 just to say I have it. Once I hit the big time I will invest in the big boy toys!!!

and funny how when you overclock both cpu's.

there performance is almost identical.

The E8400 will be slightly ahead thanks to its slightly larger cache, but nothing too noticible.

You wanted your camera, thats a better investment.

Seems like theres more you'd do with a camera then your computer.


okey guys i wanna know why your pushing him to get a quadcore. Me being a quadcore person myself.

The reason why im telling him to get the cheaper dualcore is because i honestly dont think he'll need a quadcore.

What has the op shown us that he uses that will require a full blown power of a quadcore? The OP is just about to get into games if any, and i dont think he'll bust out crysis as his first game or supreme commander.

The Op says he has a grand child, to me that sounds he's fairly middle aged, so he's not going to be having 15 myspace windows open with 4 word documents craming for a midterm the next day. Also greed, which is the most common reason, tends to be stronger on the camera right now, otherwise he wouldnt of mentioned it.

The OP also said he wants the cpu to last at least 6 months. The E7200 overclocked should do just that and be his cheapest solution.

To me i havent seen 1 thing that would flag a quadcore. And i own 5 with 2 being 4ghz yorkies.

OP, this is why im telling you go the cheaper dualcore and get your camera. You'll be much happier that way. You can always overclock the dualcore should you require more power.
 
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Very perceptive, that last post. Yeah, I'm as green as they get, but due to the fact that I have found myself with more free time than I once had I thought I would learn something new.

I've got the chance to build, or buy, something in the 1500 to 1800 range, just hate paying that much for something that has all that pre-installed dialers & toolbars, etc. I catch on to stuff pretty quick so I want to learn from the ground up on this.

Would hate to cut myself short and then wish I would have taken a bigger plunge, but if I was sure of what I was doing I wouldn't be sitting here learning to type as well as build.

Yeah...I'm 46 and I know that if I save 2-300 now there's no guarantee I will have it to spend in a year...
 

heyheybooboo

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First things first .... the camera:

Sony HDR-HC9 MiniDV HD or HDR-SR10 40GB: $750'ish

You could go either way depending upon your preference. The SR10 has a 40Gb hard drive and does AVCHD and 5.1 audio. The HC9 has higher video quality (It can shoot 60 fps, too) and firewire but stereo audio and miniDV tape. I prefer the tape model for quality (it makes a nice backup, too) but I could see how the 40Gb hard drive could peak your interest.

For software it's hard to top Ulead VideoStudio 11.5 Plus for around $100 ($60 at Amazon). Full support for AVCHD, Blu-ray and HD DVD and uses MainConcept encoders.

For your base hardware ...

AMD Phenom 9750 2.4GHz: $215

GIGABYTE GA-MA78GPM-DS2H AMD 780G HDMI mATX: $115

Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500): $87

2 X Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA: $170
- capture and storage drives

Seagate Barracuda 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA: $47
- OS/Apps drive

Antec earthwatts EA430 430W ATX12V v2.0 Power Supply: $60 ($30 AR)

SAMSUNG Black SATA 22X DVD Burner : $27

Silverstone SST-LC13 HTPC Case: $120
(The Egg has silver - you can find black if you look around)

Depending upon your bitrate you are looking at 45 minutes+ of high def video per DVD. VideoStudio will do the brainwork and the Phenom 9750 and MainConcept will do the heavy lifting

:thumbsup:





 

Sunrise089

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I assure you aigomorla is correct about the quad-core. Really, any decently clocked Peryn on a nice clean new system will feel very fast.
 

heyheybooboo

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Mainconcept H.264 Encoder
24 sec HDTV 1920x1080 mpeg2 (mpeg2 to H.264)


Phenom 9700 = 63 sec
q6600 = 69 sec

Tom's


I'm not so sure about that Coolermaster PSU @ 70% efficiency ...

For less than what you would pay for your cpu/mobo/video you may purchase the Phenom 9750, the Gigabyte GA-MA78GPM-DS2H and 2 Hanns·G HB-191DPB Black 19" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitors

The Gigabyte 780g mobo will push the two Hanns monitors (has an onboard die-shunk HD2400xt video chip with 128MB DDR3 SidePort memory).

 

taltamir

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heyheybooboo... suggesting he buy a 2.2ghz phenom for more money then a 2.4ghz C2Q? and 2GB of ram? are you trying to make him waste money on bad hardware?

As for the OP... What exactly do you intent to encode? Generally speakign I would say that the 7200 is enough. If you are going for 200$ and need to decide which, for day to day operations the e8400 will be faster, for some video encodes the q6600 would be faster. The question is, what do you do day to day, and what do you encode.
 

Markfw

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heyheybooboo. Once you overclock, then 9700 gets blown out of the water.
 
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