backing up my wii games because of the dog, will i be banned??

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smackababy

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Awesome reasoning. I own my car. I want to mod it with a huge dent so I plan to smash it into a building. Should be perfectly legal since I own the car and "assssssume the rights of the item to its fullest".

Easily the worst analogy I've ever seen.
 

velillen

Platinum Member
Jul 12, 2006
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In most of the world it is legal. And even where it is illegal (I'm guessing it is in NY since that's the original poster's location and you said it is illegal), I'd say the relevant concerns are 1) is it wrong, 2) will I get caught doing it, 3) what are the consequences for getting caught.

Way too many people - note: you did not say this and I'm not pinning this on you - engage in circular thinking such as "it's wrong because it's illegal and it's illegal because it's wrong", which doesn't exactly withstand scrutiny.

See heres where i stand to be corrected (and please do im actually curious now!) but i was under the impression that modding is illegal due to the fact that you are changing the firmware/software which is the illegal part. The actual hardware is yours to own but changing firmware/software was the illegal part. By changing the FW/SW you are in effect disabling the copywrite protection which is where it becomes illegal.

The only real thing i could find that explains anything is from this article. I remember hearing the guy getting arrested but it explains it a bit too. Ill quote the pretty much relavent to this topic part of the article.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/...inder-that-most-console-hacks-are-illegal.ars

What rights do you have when modding your console?

Ars spoke to Jennifer Granick, the Civil Liberties Director of the Electronic Freedom Foundation to find out. The news was bad. "With hardware, you can do pretty much anything you want with it. There are very few rules that apply. You buy it, you own, you can take it apart, and that's perfectly fine," she explained. The problem is that no one simply modifies the hardware. "It becomes complicated with modern hardware because it's combined with firmware, the embedded software."

The infamous DMCA states that you can't circumvent any software protection to get at the copyrighted work it protects. If you're using a software exploit or installing a mod chip, you're disabling that protection to allow yourself to run homebrew code, and you're running afoul of the DMCA. "Thou shall not circumvent," Granick told Ars, counting the two ways to break the law. "And thou shall not provide tools to others.

The intent is meaningless. Even if you simply want to modify an Xbox to use as a media center, you're breaking the law, since you've given the system the ability to run unsigned code.


So i guess im just confused/curious now. Is modding for personal, non pirated use legal or illegal? As my understanding stands right now it seems to still be illegal.





As for the cd-key/back up to me it doesnt seem to hard but what do i know. Offer built in burners to the system. Each system has a unique id code and that id code is then somehow etched into the burned copy and a handshake is required to play. Or even let you register the disk and have an account with the game devolper and recieve their ads or something weekly/monthly and in exchange be allowed to replace disks at a small fee+shipping and handling. I dont know theres tons of options i've always just wondered why developers dont jump on any of them at all.

Sure some people will figure out how to bypass it but come on everything gets bypassed somehow. I remember when Half life-2 came out and it was supposed to be hard to crack due to the steam thing but it still got cracked after a short time. Theres always going to be someone who wants to beat the system.
 

kurabii

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Nov 21, 2006
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Awesome reasoning. I own my car. I want to mod it with a huge dent so I plan to smash it into a building. Should be perfectly legal since I own the car and "assssssume the rights of the item to its fullest".

if u own ur car you're allowed to go out and smack the windshield in. end of that analogy. ur analogy was horrible. completely contorted my reasoning. u own ur car unless ur mom owns the title then she hauls ur ass to jail
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Awesome reasoning. I own my car. I want to mod it with a huge dent so I plan to smash it into a building. Should be perfectly legal since I own the car and "assssssume the rights of the item to its fullest".

As long as you own the building, I dont see the problem.
 

simonizor

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Feb 8, 2010
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To my knowledge the only part of modding that is illegal is when the the people who code the mods use code that was made by the manufacturer. As long as the code is entirely hand written by the modders, there's not really anything that Nintendo can do to stop you. EULA or not, it's your console after you purchase it, and you can do whatever you want with it as long as you don't steal Nintendo's ideas in the process.
 

velillen

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Jul 12, 2006
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To my knowledge the only part of modding that is illegal is when the the people who code the mods use code that was made by the manufacturer. As long as the code is entirely hand written by the modders, there's not really anything that Nintendo can do to stop you. EULA or not, it's your console after you purchase it, and you can do whatever you want with it as long as you don't steal Nintendo's ideas in the process.

So what you are saying (if i understand correctly) is that you could take the hardware and write your own source and use the hardware for custom things and homebrewed games. however if you were to still allow it to play official games than it would be illegal since you are still using code made by the manufacture basically?
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Actually, making backups of paid-for software is completely legitimate and legal (EULA be damned). Piracy is not.

sure. but the ACT of doing it is against the DMCA which makes it against the law. BUT haveing backups of paid for software is not.

i was never talking about the EULA wich i don't think if challenged would hold up.


IF he is really makeing backups of legal software go for it. But we all know he is not. going through all the trouble to download copies of the games is much more then training the dog or putting the games up.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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To my knowledge the only part of modding that is illegal is when the the people who code the mods use code that was made by the manufacturer. As long as the code is entirely hand written by the modders, there's not really anything that Nintendo can do to stop you. EULA or not, it's your console after you purchase it, and you can do whatever you want with it as long as you don't steal Nintendo's ideas in the process.

I don't think that is true. i beleive people have written code to play homebrew and found to be legal.
 

T2urtle

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Oct 18, 2004
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it should be legal for you to mod the wii, it should be legal for you to burn copies of the game you bought.

But it should be illegal for you to give a copy that you burned to your friend. Thats what i thought the rules were. That was the day of ps1 and ps2 burning games. Wish we can do it to the ps3.

Xbox is the only one really cracking down on this. They make you pay for their online and then they ban you for it. PS3 is a lot harder to crack and is free. wii online is free and never heard of a real ban...
 

erwos

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Apr 7, 2005
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You can blame the piracy community for killing legitimate backup talk... because all the pirates decided to start using "backups" as the code word for "warez".
 
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