Backup Software with Plextor 12/10/32 CDRW?

Atroz

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Hello,

I was wondering if somebody with the new Plextor 12/10/32 CDRW drive could tell me what software came with it. I know there is some Plextor software and some Adaptec software, but I'm not sure what all is included in the "EZCD creator" package. I'm assuming it's not the complete EZCD Creator 4 Deluxe, right? In particular, I was wondering if any of it was a decent backup package? If not, is there any recommended packages that like CD-R drives?

I've been using DriveImage to make backups of my hard drive and then copy the image files to CDR on my older HP 8110 drive. I'm looking for a speed boost and was hoping to get some good backup software in the same package.

PS. I do know about the ResQ package and will consider buying it.

THANKS.
 

overnewbie

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I just purchased one and it came with the same software...mine is a 30gb and its quiet and fast. I guess you will have to purchase their other product. I also would like to know how it works, so If you decide to get it post your thoughts about it later. Its the OEM package but with the latest stuff. I guess I meant to put in..I have a IBM Deskstar 30gb and the plextor and they are both quiet and fast...
 

Atroz

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HI Overnewbie.

You have me very confused. What do you mean that your's is a 30gb?? Are you talking about the OnStream 30 Gig drives? I was asking about the Plextor CDRW burners.

 

Vincent

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There's a program called Backup Exec Desktop Edition by a company called Veritas. I used it to backup my system to CDRWs but I gave up on it because the Win2k version wouldn't properly support my Yamaha CRW6416S. I backed up directly to CDRWs, but if you have an error on a disc you have to start all over.

There are other programs called Retrospect and Ultrabac. I haven't used either of these.

If you really want to use your burner for backups, I would recommend staying with your current method of burning image files.
 

AMB

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There was an artice about this a while back, I think that Plextor actually sell this on their website
 

Ausm

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Vincent checkout Veritas Website they recently came out with a patch that *should* work with your burner..

Ausm
 

Atroz

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HI,

I went looking for reviews and comments on NTI Backup now!. There were a couple posts about it being absolutely junk and the worst money spent, but I also found some web reviews that were full of praise. I've decided to try out their 30 day demo and see for myself.

Thanks for the suggestion bannor11.

RE: Backup Exec, I couldn't find a demo of it on Veritas' web site. They used to have demos because I remember trying out a previous version a while back. Anybody know if you can get a demo of the Veritas Backup Exec Desktop?
 

Atroz

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HI,

Just a follow-up on my NTI Backup now! experiences.

It seems like an OK package, but I wouldn't give it a 10/10, maybe a 7 or 8.

I found a bug in which it has trouble with extremely long file names (can crash). The tech support people didn't get back to me in their 24-48 period. Their sales guy relayed the message to them after I complained and a day or two later I got a response back saying they were looking into it.

I was upset that with CDRW they always wanted to reformat the CD, which on my current 2X speed takes 38 minutes.

I'm still entertaining this package, but I'm also still looking for an alternate. I'm downloading the Veritas Backup Exec Demo right now.

Any other suggestions? How good is Adaptec's Take Two?

Thanks.
 

corkyg

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At the risk of getting a lot of people upset, I will state that any form of backup on non-runnable media is silly. The price of hard drives is so low that the cheapest and fastest solution is simply to duplicate the entire drive using Ghost or Drive Copy 3.0.

It is faster than tape, CD burning or whatever, and when you are done, you just disconnect that drive. If your main drive dies or gets sick . . . just switch the power connectors.

With a backup device, you still are faced with restoration. Is that smart?

To really make it sophisticated, invest about $50 in a pair of good mobile racks. Put your drives in them and turn them off externally with a key switch as you desire.
 

Atroz

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HI Corky-g,

I have seriously considered what you are recommending. As you stated there are benefits, but there are also problems with it as follows:

1) You must disconnect the second drive else you run the risk of whatever causes data loss on the first drive doing the same to the second.
2) If your backup media is disconnected, it is impossible to do automated incremental backups.
3) You have to reboot before and after each backup to remove the second disk
4) You only have one complete copy of your data, no history of files.
5) The mobile racks is a good idea, else you run the risk of damaging the drive or cables with repeated insertions.
6) Cost. I can do a complete backup of all my data for a few dollars, and do it again next week, and the following week, etc... Yes, I need to have a CDRW drive, but they are useful for other things too. This is why I've given up on tape, it's only really good for backups.
7) If you want off-site backups, then the HD method becomes even more costly and inconvenient.
8) No cheap offline storage. I.e. Collections of digital photos of your family, etc.
9) Ties up a HD connector.
10) For longer term storage, HDs are likely more prone to data loss and environmental damages.

Now, if we had hot-swappable drives, it would become a lot more feasible since reboots wouldn't be needed.
Actually, is that possible with Win98? Can you do a keyed system like you suggest and have Win98 find the 'new' drive when it is turned on? I used to do something simliar back in the Amiga days with SCSI, but that was only because I had a handy program that would re-probe the scsi bus and make the drive available.


 

xpaf077

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Hi atroz,

I think the best way is to use a utility like Ghost and create a image of your c: drive and put it in a folder in another drive, ie d:, e: ect. Even if it's a partition
of the main drive. I use Ghost 5.0 and it compresses to about 33%. then if anything should happen, you just access the image from dos with the ghost.exe after reformatting your c: drive and 3-5 minutes later evrething is as if nothing happened.
YOUR C: drvie, programs, settings and wathever else you had is back. I maintain a Network of 12 computers at work and this is the fastest way to keep them all going.
Updates is the same, just do 1 and then use Ghost to update the others. It's all done in around 2 hours. Otherwise I would spend about 2 days to update all the comps.
 

corkyg

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Atroz: That is a very good rundown on specifics, but some of those issues have other solutions.

1) You must disconnect the second drive else you run the risk of whatever causes data loss on the first drive doing the same to the second.

That is why I use the mobile rack . . . each one has a key switch on the front that makes that easy.

2) If your backup media is disconnected, it is impossible to do automated incremental backups.

OK . . . valid point . . . my system does that differently. I have LS-120 drives in every computer, and that is done on a 120 MB SuperDisk, and those are interchangeable from computer to computer.

3) You have to reboot before and after each backup to remove the second disk

Reboot yes, but remove not necessarily. DC 3 hides the backup drive when finished so that it is not seen.

4) You only have one complete copy of your data, no history of files.

That is for the LS-120 backup data files. My primary concern is operating system and software redundancy and recovery in just a few minutes.

5) The mobile racks is a good idea, else you run the risk of damaging the drive or cables with repeated insertions.

Also, a good mobile rack will have a male-female Centronics connector internally . . . they mate properly with less precision required, and are thus more reliable and rugged.

6) Cost. I can do a complete backup of all my data for a few dollars, and do it again next week, and the following week, etc... Yes, I need to have a CDRW drive, but they are useful for other things too. This is why I've given up on tape, it's only really good for backups.

A second 20 GB 7200 HDD now costs only about $135. Rack mounts are about $15 to $25 each. Yes . . . CDRW has other uses. I have two of them, but even at 12X they are slow, and if a HDD problem does occur all you have is a disk that won't play anything until you restore the system with a new HDD or new installation of the old one after FDISK and reformatting. Costwise, that to me is major . . . you're talking hours of work.

7) If you want off-site backups, then the HD method becomes even more costly and inconvenient.

Mentally, I'm not ready for that except for additional copies on LS-120 disks. But, that is a valid point for dupe HDDs only.

8) No cheap offline storage. I.e. Collections of digital photos of your family, etc.

That is what I use my CDRWs for . . . permant storage of digital imagery, but that is not a system backup. CDRs are also very cheap and cheap to mail . . . 55 cents in a padded bag.

9) Ties up a HD connector.

Have never found that to be a problem. Always have two HDDs on Controller 1, LS-120 and CD ROM on Controller 2. CDRW and scanner and 2nd CD ROM drive on SCSI external. Other devices on USB and IEEE 1394.

10) For longer term storage, HDs are likely more prone to data loss and environmental damages.

Possibly, but in the past 18 years, I have only experienced two hard drive crashes. One was due to a lightning strike power surge. Since then, all systems are on 650 VA UPS's, and since installing them (3 years ago) have not had a problem of that nature.

I would say that the decision on which way to go depends on the primary pobjective of backup. If it is just data, and incremental additions, then removable media is best. My primary objective is system redundancy with no down time.

It also makes experimenting with new products and beta ware a no risk operation. Prior to the experiment, do a fresh drive copy. Takes only 12 minutes for a 20 GB drive. Then try the new stuff. If it bombs your system, then swap drives and you are immediately restored. If it works, then you can either keep the previous system or transition to the new one.

These are all good thoughts, and make for a thorough discussion of the entire backup panoply. I agree that tape generally sucks . . . slow and restoration is painful and iffy at times. CDRs and RWs are very good, but only hold 650 to 700 MB of data. That is great for data, but not good for system backup complete with all software installed.

Add to all that the possibility of a LAN. I have 4 units on mine, and that is another data backup capability. I synch the data on all units automatically every night, so there lies another system redundancy.

There is another hidden benefit of all this backup redundancy . . . it seems to scare the s--- out of all units so they never crash, lockup or give me BSDs. I guess it relates to an umbrella . . . caryy one and it never rains.
 

Atroz

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Corky-G,

OK, I see why this works for you. You're using two devices for backups, not just one. You're making up for the shortfalls of using a second disk by supplementing it with CDR or SuperDisk. I was trying to find just one solution. Perhaps I should consider your method, although it is at a lot of additional cost.

A few questions for you though. You say that DC 3 hides the partition after the backup. Is that automatic? Are you still not at risk of a virus wiping out the disks since it's only a software control that is protecting them? I have Drive Image, not Drive Copy, I'd have to look to see if it does a drive to drive copy.

When you talk about all the work and time of restoring from CD, are you considering the use of recovery backups that automatically boot from the CD and restores everything? It's still going to be slower, but it seems like minimal effort.

I do like your quick backup idea for installing new software.

 

corkyg

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Atroz:

Good comments!

>>>You say that DC 3 hides the partition after the backup. Is that automatic? Are you still not at risk of a virus wiping out the disks since it's only a software control that is protecting them? I have Drive Image, not Drive Copy, I'd have to look to see if it does a drive to drive copy.<<<

OK . . . The new DC 3.0 default is to hide the source on a &quot;Replacement&quot; and hide the target on a &quot;Backup.&quot; You can also copy single partitions. In the command sequence, if you don't want a drive hidden, you hit the advanced button and uncheck that box.

If you have managed to let a virus sneak in somehow, and you clone it, of course the new drive will have the virus. But . . . I find that a very remote possibility. If you are in a &quot;high virus threat&quot; environment, you can run a scan just before copying the drive.

I also have &quot;Drive Image&quot; and that is a much more sophisticated program. DC is so simple and fast that I think PowerQuest doesn't like to talk about it much . . . it only costs about $25 or so.

>>>When you talk about all the work and time of restoring from CD, are you considering the use of recovery backups that automatically boot from the CD and restores everything? It's still going to be slower, but it seems like minimal effort.<<<

What I like to do is just take about 15 minutes at the end of a day and re-clone my drives. That's all it takes . . . almost as fast as a disk optimization. My problem with auto-recovery with a bootable CD is that it can only address a portion of the recovery, and . . . I'll be honest . . . I'm a control freak. I simply do not trust automated software, and find that system stability goes up directly as that stuff is squelched. Basically, I don't like anything happening in my systems that I do not direct or control.




 

Radarman

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Take a look at the new Ghost 2001, it will burn directly to cdr,
I use both Ghost and Drive image, but I will buy the new Ghost 2001 as it appears to be the best of the two now. Radarman
 

Atroz

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Radarman,

Before switching products, check out Drive Image 4.0, it also goes direct to CDRW. I haven't tried it myself yet though.

 

Atroz

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Corky-g,

When I asked about a virus, it wasn't the concern of cloning one (although that is a concern), but that an activated virus could wipe out your clone disk too since it's still present if you are only using the 'hide partition' option to shield that media.

 
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