Bad Company 2 PC getting neutered?

[thilanliyan]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=243332

"Here is a list of issues people are concerned with
1. There is no prone in the game
2. No console to input commands
3. They are using software only 16bit sound while consolers use 32 bit sound
4. No use of PBBans streaming (although this is currently being looked at by Dice, I am not sure of the final verdict)
5. No Battle recorder (not sure how much of big deal that is)
6. No recon (again not sure how much of big deal that is)
7. No modding tools."

No dev console:
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/...75313-confirmed-no-developer-console-tab.html

 

[Daverino]

Sad Panda getting Sadder

 

[GullyFoyle]

And what do you use your console for?

So there is no console, that doesn't mean that most things you wanted to do in the console is not configurable in some other way. These guys that are going apeshit crazy over this need to refocus on what it is they want to do using the console, and ask how they will be able to do it in BFBC2.

I think they mention using it to set screen rez, I'm sure this can be done within the game menu, and/or config files or command line parameters. They mention looking up guiID's for kicking/banning people. Dice already said that this ability will exist on the server side (Battlefield Blog).

The problem is, they could do what I suggest, but DICE is in no hurry to answer questions. They are sort of bringing this on themselves. I'll bet those guys would be placated quite a bit if they just got some PC screen shots or videos. There's no good reason other than the game simply doesn't run on the PC yet, for this. It seems like passive-agressive behaviour on DICE's part, against this small group of whiners on the UK forums!

On the other hand, the fact that several large vendors (like Walmart) have been listing the Xbox & PS3 versions of the game, but not the PC version indicates to me EA may have been anticipating the PC version being delayed....

Maybe it is best that DICE concentrate on the game running on a PC and not crashing, before they worry about add-on functionality for the competitive gaming community.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

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[Zargon]

The problem is, they could do what I suggest, but DICE is in no hurry to answer questions. They are sort of bringing this on themselves. I'll bet those guys would be placated quite a bit if they just got some PC screen shots or videos. There's no good reason other than the game simply doesn't run on the PC yet, for this. It seems like passive-agressive behaviour on DICE's part, against this small group of whiners on the UK forums!

On the other hand, the fact that several large vendors (like Walmart) have been listing the Xbox & PS3 versions of the game, but not the PC version indicates to me EA may have been anticipating the PC version being delayed....

Maybe it is best that DICE concentrate on the game running on a PC and not crashing, before they worry about add-on functionality for the competitive gaming community.

talk about sad panda getting sadder. I hope this game isnt a letdown like MW2

 

[crisium]

Usually consoles are removed - not added. That's why they're called a developers' console. So the exclusion probably means they are being foolish like Infinity Ward.

 

[Lonyo]

I would argue that needing a dev console means that you've failed to expose useful commands in an easy to access manner.

Sure, a dev console is nice, but doesn't it just make up for shortfalls elsewhere?
You should only need a dev console if you need obscure things.
Things which general users might be concerned about should be made available/visible elsewhere in some way.

As some people in the thread said, a one line twitter reply doesn't say much.

 

[GullyFoyle]

Maybe I should have made it clearer that I do believe it is running on the PC, and that it is passive-aggressive behaviour on DICE's part that has kept them from showing PC screenshots and videos.

Best Buy was one of the vendors not listing a PC version, UNTIL YESTERDAY, so I think DICE made it past a certain hurdle, and will actually be rolling out the PC beta on schedule.

On the other hand, I do anticipate a lot of unexplained CTD's. Hey, this is DICE we are talking about!

 

[minmaster]

yup stability has never been seen in a DICE game. if they only can get a handle on that...

 

[pontifex]

I'll laugh my ass off at you guys as they keep removing stuff from this game

 

[Coldkilla]

Yay making it more simple so a 3 year old can play it. :/

You know BF1942 came out like 8 years ago. The 12 year olds who grew up with the are now like 20.. you'd think they'd make it slightly more accommodible for older folks who like to use some of the more complex commands.

 

[tvdang7]

next up : no guns!

 

[Mike Gayner]

None of those issues bother me. I'm more interested in how good the game is than little issues to bitch about while I cut my wrists like a typical emo PC gamer.

 

[TheRickRoller]

"Here is a list of issues people are concerned with

7. No modding tools."

This is the only one so far that even registers on my mehdar. And even then, its pretty low. YMMV as many games have wonderful modding communities, I just never get into them. This is just people trying to find something to cry about.

 

[Maximilian]

No prone? Was there prone in the original game? I know there was prone in BF2 and tbh it wasent all that useful, it was just a chore to hit the enemy with a LMG/sniper. In newer games though its fun to go prone in the grass (BF2 had crap grass) and shoot people whilest hiding

 

[fatpat268]

No prone? Was there prone in the original game? I know there was prone in BF2 and tbh it wasent all that useful, it was just a chore to hit the enemy with a LMG/sniper. In newer games though its fun to go prone in the grass (BF2 had crap grass) and shoot people whilest hiding

I don't think there was prone in BF BC1... I could be wrong though, but I don't remember ever being able to go prone.

 

[Coldkilla]

WTF no prone? ARG!

Guess I'll just have to stand up while using my sniper :/

 

[TehMac]

WTF no prone? ARG!

Guess I'll just have to stand up while using my sniper :/

You can crouch--I have a feeling the crouch is permanent--you press the key and you stay crouched, no holding required.


I'm amazed BFBC2 is coming to the PC at all...so yea.

 

[novasatori]

iirc bf:bc1 didn't have prone either, i don't think, and it didn't really bother me.. just crouch.

correct me if i am wrong

the other stuff tho is

 

[duragezic]

It was ridiculous how much MW2 haters thought this game was the best thing ever. While it looks awesome and I will likely end up buying it, it seemed early on as much of a port as MW2 so this doesn't surprise me that much.

Like I said with MW2, I see myself needing a console less and less. I started with it on Quake and back then it was vital. But really, what do you need to do in there?

Prone seems like a big loss but if it's arcadey and fast like MW2, which it looks like, then it's not much use anyway.

The other things don't really matter to me at all. But this is just one post; I haven't seen all the other things confirmed.

 

[amddude]

Prone is a big problem, dev console I only use for 'exit' anymore

 

[aclim]

How cane you not have prone???? wow! I was so hyped about this game, but this news just pisses me off!

 

[Mike Gayner]

Seriously, you guys get this up[set about not being able to go prone?

 

[cheerio]

WTF no prone? ARG!

Guess I'll just have to stand up while using my sniper :/

Isnt that what snipers do, lol