Bad week for India

[asearchforreason]

Yesterday their long range missile test failed and now today their largest communication satellite blew up after launch. Not a great showcase of the technical expertise of our newest ally in Asia. Maybe we should rethink that whole nuclear energy agreement we signed with them...

 

[Moonbeam]

Maybe, in our search for reason, we should ask what one has to do with the other.

 

[sandorski]

Blowing up rockets doesn't really mean much. The US, the USSR, and everyone else had their failures. They just have to learn the cause of those failures and work out a solution.

 

[5150Joker]

Why is it that when the US transfers nuclear technology it's ok but if another country like Pakistan does it, it's a bad thing?

 

[GeNome]

I think they're still in the learning stage - everybody goes through it, including the U.S. Give them a few years, maybe a decade, they'll be launching rockets like they always knew how.

 

[tnitsuj]

We are transferring civillian technology for use by a country that already has nuclear weapons and is generally a responsible member of the world community.

Pakistan is selling technology to Stalinist states and unstable theocracies.

 

[astrosfan90]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why is it that when the US transfers nuclear technology it's ok but if another country like Pakistan does it, it's a bad thing?

India wasn't caught transferring said nuclear technology to North Korea. Their northern neighbor, on the other hand, was.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Do you really understand just how hard it really is to get a rocket launch off without scattering debris all over the place?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

It is kind of curious that India's CLEAR INTENTION to develop a ballistic long-range missile isn't worthy of a thorough debate. It looks like they are launching weapons into the sea . . . Madagascar may have reason to take this to the Security Council . . .

India is also working on the development of new, better, and more nuclear weapons.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why is it that when the US transfers nuclear technology it's ok but if another country like Pakistan does it, it's a bad thing?

Probably because the IAEA supports it because they believe it would aid in anti-proliferation efforts.

 

[Aimster]

The U.S gave Saddam chemical weapons.

They gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

Israel got their nuclear tech from Europe. Europe gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

If you want to critize a nation for doing something, make sure you havent done similiar things in the past.

ahh spelling mistake.. wtvr.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The U.S gave Saddam chemical weapons.

They gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

Israel got their nuclear tech from Europe. Europe gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

If you want to critize a nation for doing something, make sure you havent done similiar things in the past.

ahh spelling mistake.. wtvr.

QFT. And India is far from being a responsible democracy, they have a ton of internal issues to work out including humanitarian violations in Kashmir and other parts of India.

Indian human rights groups estimate that 30,000-35,000 persons have died during the conflict in Jammu and Kashmir, but there were no reliable estimates of the number of deaths resulting directly from abuses. Security forces have committed thousands of serious human rights violations over the course of the 15-year insurgency, including extrajudicial killings, disappearances, and torture (see Sections 1.b. and 1.c.).

The BJP, which led the central Government until May, is a Hindu nationalist party with links to Hindu extremist groups implicated in violent acts against Christians, Muslims, and tribal persons. Human rights groups and others suggested that these links influenced the BJP Government's inadequate response to acts of violence against religious minorities.

This page by the state department has a huge list of human rights violations in India: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41740.htm

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Aimster
The U.S gave Saddam chemical weapons.

They gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

Israel got their nuclear tech from Europe. Europe gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

If you want to critize a nation for doing something, make sure you havent done similiar things in the past.

ahh spelling mistake.. wtvr.

QFT. And India is far from being a responsible democracy, they have a ton of internal issues to work out including humanitarian violations in Kashmir and other parts of India.

Indian human rights groups estimate that 30,000-35,000 persons have died during the conflict in Jammu and Kashmir, but there were no reliable estimates of the number of deaths resulting directly from abuses. Security forces have committed thousands of serious human rights violations over the course of the 15-year insurgency, including extrajudicial killings, disappearances, and torture (see Sections 1.b. and 1.c.).

The BJP, which led the central Government until May, is a Hindu nationalist party with links to Hindu extremist groups implicated in violent acts against Christians, Muslims, and tribal persons. Human rights groups and others suggested that these links influenced the BJP Government's inadequate response to acts of violence against religious minorities.

This page by the state department has a huge list of human rights violations in India: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41740.htm

Your credibility is always at question when you post only one side of the story. It's convenient to ignore the ethnic cleansing of Hindu pandits from the valley. Never mind the fact that the BJP was voted out of government 2 years back (and have been in power only a little over 5 years in nearly 60 years of independence). Never mind the fact that India has the third largest muslim population in the world or that the President is Muslim, the Prime Minister Sikh and the Chairperson of the ruling coalition a Catholic. Never mind the 100s, if not 1000s of muslim celebrities in entertainment, sports, journalism, technology and government that are muslims. Never mind that the richest Indian is a muslim.

Ignore all truths and continue posting the miniscule, juicy, scandalous tidbits that your mind is capable of processing :roll:

 

[MadRat]

Looks like India doesn't have what it takes to be a North Korea.

 

[Culvin]

Originally posted by: athithi
Your credibility is always at question when you post only one side of the story. It's convenient to ignore the ethnic cleansing of Hindu pandits from the valley. Never mind the fact that the BJP was voted out of government 2 years back (and have been in power only a little over 5 years in nearly 60 years of independence). Never mind the fact that India has the third largest muslim population in the world or that the President is Muslim, the Prime Minister Sikh and the Chairperson of the ruling coalition a Catholic. Never mind the 100s, if not 1000s of muslim celebrities in entertainment, sports, journalism, technology and government that are muslims. Never mind that the richest Indian is a muslim.

Ignore all truths and continue posting the miniscule, juicy, scandalous tidbits that your mind is capable of processing :roll:

You know, for someone who sides with Zendari in a gay rights thread, you're awfully hyper-sensitive when it comes to Indian issues. You sound like one of those hypocritical, self-righteous minorities that thinks only of themselves... so I wouldn't accuse others of having a lack of credibility. I just hope you don't start threatening to ban people for teaching you about Indian history like you did in the last Indian thread.

India obviously has a lot of problems ranging from technical to social... don't constantly attack everyone that gives examples of this.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Culvin

Originally posted by: athithi
Your credibility is always at question when you post only one side of the story. It's convenient to ignore the ethnic cleansing of Hindu pandits from the valley. Never mind the fact that the BJP was voted out of government 2 years back (and have been in power only a little over 5 years in nearly 60 years of independence). Never mind the fact that India has the third largest muslim population in the world or that the President is Muslim, the Prime Minister Sikh and the Chairperson of the ruling coalition a Catholic. Never mind the 100s, if not 1000s of muslim celebrities in entertainment, sports, journalism, technology and government that are muslims. Never mind that the richest Indian is a muslim.

Ignore all truths and continue posting the miniscule, juicy, scandalous tidbits that your mind is capable of processing :roll:

You know, for someone who sides with Zendari in a gay rights thread, you're awfully hyper-sensitive when it comes to Indian issues. You sound like one of those hypocritical, self-righteous minorities that thinks only of themselves... so I wouldn't accuse others of having a lack of credibility. I just hope you don't start threatening to ban people for teaching you about Indian history like you did in the last Indian thread.

India obviously has a lot of problems ranging from technical to social... don't constantly attack everyone that gives examples of this.

LOL :laugh: You are a liar. I pointed out RichardE's racist statement about Native Americans being inferior to Caucasians as being worthy of a ban. It had nothing to do with India or Indian history. You lied about this.

I said nothing in support of Zendari and pointed out the hypocrisy of Rainsford and aidanjm when they claimed that India was centuries behind the US socially. If anything, I proclaimed that I supported gay rights in general, which I doubt is Zendari's stance. You lied about this too.

For someone who lies so easily and blatantly it is pathetic how highly you hold your moral values. All your other values amount to nothing when you lie so much.

 

[1prophet]

Happens here in US also This was at the Kennedy Space Center, Florida.

Thanks to CaptnKirk in the North Korea Missile thread.

 

[Moonbeam]

People everywhere are beautiful. It is such a shame they hate each other so. Ah me, but what can you expect when you hate yourself but that you hate everybody else who is as beautiful as you.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The U.S gave Saddam chemical weapons.

The US didn't give Saddam chemical weapons. Many countries provided material which could be used by a chemical weapons program. The primary supplier of these was Germany. There's a UN report about it, plus some lawsuits against the German companies and government.

If you want to critize a nation for doing something, make sure you havent done similiar things in the past.

No, the world is not static, but dynamic. People recognize their faults and accept it and can criticize others. It's only hypocritical if you do not fault yourself for your history. What you advocate is basically nobody being able to comment on anything internationally.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Aimster
The U.S gave Saddam chemical weapons.

They gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

Israel got their nuclear tech from Europe. Europe gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

If you want to critize a nation for doing something, make sure you havent done similiar things in the past.

ahh spelling mistake.. wtvr.

QFT. And India is far from being a responsible democracy, they have a ton of internal issues to work out including humanitarian violations in Kashmir and other parts of India.

Indian human rights groups estimate that 30,000-35,000 persons have died during the conflict in Jammu and Kashmir, but there were no reliable estimates of the number of deaths resulting directly from abuses. Security forces have committed thousands of serious human rights violations over the course of the 15-year insurgency, including extrajudicial killings, disappearances, and torture (see Sections 1.b. and 1.c.).

The BJP, which led the central Government until May, is a Hindu nationalist party with links to Hindu extremist groups implicated in violent acts against Christians, Muslims, and tribal persons. Human rights groups and others suggested that these links influenced the BJP Government's inadequate response to acts of violence against religious minorities.

This page by the state department has a huge list of human rights violations in India: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41740.htm

Your credibility is always at question when you post only one side of the story. It's convenient to ignore the ethnic cleansing of Hindu pandits from the valley. Never mind the fact that the BJP was voted out of government 2 years back (and have been in power only a little over 5 years in nearly 60 years of independence). Never mind the fact that India has the third largest muslim population in the world or that the President is Muslim, the Prime Minister Sikh and the Chairperson of the ruling coalition a Catholic. Never mind the 100s, if not 1000s of muslim celebrities in entertainment, sports, journalism, technology and government that are muslims. Never mind that the richest Indian is a muslim.

Ignore all truths and continue posting the miniscule, juicy, scandalous tidbits that your mind is capable of processing :roll:

I linked to a US State Department website with credible facts and what do you do? Link to an Indian propaganda site...yeah real convincing. The point of my post was to show that India is far from a stable democracy, it is plagued with problems and ethnic strife.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Aimster
The U.S gave Saddam chemical weapons.

They gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

Israel got their nuclear tech from Europe. Europe gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

If you want to critize a nation for doing something, make sure you havent done similiar things in the past.

ahh spelling mistake.. wtvr.

QFT. And India is far from being a responsible democracy, they have a ton of internal issues to work out including humanitarian violations in Kashmir and other parts of India.

Indian human rights groups estimate that 30,000-35,000 persons have died during the conflict in Jammu and Kashmir, but there were no reliable estimates of the number of deaths resulting directly from abuses. Security forces have committed thousands of serious human rights violations over the course of the 15-year insurgency, including extrajudicial killings, disappearances, and torture (see Sections 1.b. and 1.c.).

The BJP, which led the central Government until May, is a Hindu nationalist party with links to Hindu extremist groups implicated in violent acts against Christians, Muslims, and tribal persons. Human rights groups and others suggested that these links influenced the BJP Government's inadequate response to acts of violence against religious minorities.

This page by the state department has a huge list of human rights violations in India: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41740.htm

Your credibility is always at question when you post only one side of the story. It's convenient to ignore the ethnic cleansing of Hindu pandits from the valley. Never mind the fact that the BJP was voted out of government 2 years back (and have been in power only a little over 5 years in nearly 60 years of independence). Never mind the fact that India has the third largest muslim population in the world or that the President is Muslim, the Prime Minister Sikh and the Chairperson of the ruling coalition a Catholic. Never mind the 100s, if not 1000s of muslim celebrities in entertainment, sports, journalism, technology and government that are muslims. Never mind that the richest Indian is a muslim.

Ignore all truths and continue posting the miniscule, juicy, scandalous tidbits that your mind is capable of processing :roll:

I linked to a US State Department website with credible facts and what do you do? Link to an Indian propaganda site...yeah real convincing. The point of my post was to show that India is far from a stable democracy, it is plagued with problems and ethnic strife.

Oh, right, so all the points I raised have been refuted by you linking a state dept. report from a country that's half a world away from the action :roll: I seem to recall a Secy. of State sitting in the UN talking about WMDs. Could this perchance be the same State Dept.? :Q But, but, it is the US State Dept! They could never be wrong or have a vested interest in propaganda themselves, right?

You have no understanding of the concept of democracy if you think quietude and conformity are indicative of a stable democracy.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: asearchforreason
Yesterday their long range missile test failed and now today their largest communication satellite blew up after launch. Not a great showcase of the technical expertise of our newest ally in Asia. Maybe we should rethink that whole nuclear energy agreement we signed with them...

Sure, bad week, but it isn't exactly so disastrous that all progress is lost forever.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Aimster
The U.S gave Saddam chemical weapons.

They gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

Israel got their nuclear tech from Europe. Europe gave up their right to critize anyone after that.

If you want to critize a nation for doing something, make sure you havent done similiar things in the past.

ahh spelling mistake.. wtvr.

QFT. And India is far from being a responsible democracy, they have a ton of internal issues to work out including humanitarian violations in Kashmir and other parts of India.

Indian human rights groups estimate that 30,000-35,000 persons have died during the conflict in Jammu and Kashmir, but there were no reliable estimates of the number of deaths resulting directly from abuses. Security forces have committed thousands of serious human rights violations over the course of the 15-year insurgency, including extrajudicial killings, disappearances, and torture (see Sections 1.b. and 1.c.).

The BJP, which led the central Government until May, is a Hindu nationalist party with links to Hindu extremist groups implicated in violent acts against Christians, Muslims, and tribal persons. Human rights groups and others suggested that these links influenced the BJP Government's inadequate response to acts of violence against religious minorities.

This page by the state department has a huge list of human rights violations in India: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41740.htm

Your credibility is always at question when you post only one side of the story. It's convenient to ignore the ethnic cleansing of Hindu pandits from the valley. Never mind the fact that the BJP was voted out of government 2 years back (and have been in power only a little over 5 years in nearly 60 years of independence). Never mind the fact that India has the third largest muslim population in the world or that the President is Muslim, the Prime Minister Sikh and the Chairperson of the ruling coalition a Catholic. Never mind the 100s, if not 1000s of muslim celebrities in entertainment, sports, journalism, technology and government that are muslims. Never mind that the richest Indian is a muslim.

Ignore all truths and continue posting the miniscule, juicy, scandalous tidbits that your mind is capable of processing :roll:

I linked to a US State Department website with credible facts and what do you do? Link to an Indian propaganda site...yeah real convincing. The point of my post was to show that India is far from a stable democracy, it is plagued with problems and ethnic strife.

Oh, right, so all the points I raised have been refuted by you linking a state dept. report from a country that's half a world away from the action :roll: I seem to recall a Secy. of State sitting in the UN talking about WMDs. Could this perchance be the same State Dept.? :Q But, but, it is the US State Dept! They could never be wrong or have a vested interest in propaganda themselves, right?

You have no understanding of the concept of democracy if you think quietude and conformity are indicative of a stable democracy.

Wow you really are grasping at straws now. So a no-name Indian propaganda site has more credibility than the US Dept of State? :roll:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: asearchforreason
Yesterday their long range missile test failed and now today their largest communication satellite blew up after launch. Not a great showcase of the technical expertise of our newest ally in Asia. Maybe we should rethink that whole nuclear energy agreement we signed with them...

Why is this even a subject?
Whats does one have to do with the other?

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Wow you really are grasping at straws now. So a no-name Indian propaganda site has more credibility than the US Dept of State? :roll:

So basically you latch on to one point, state it, plug your ears with your fingers and go nah-nah-nah-nah-nah?