Bagram Airfield Crash 29 APR 2013

[phucheneh]

I don't understand all the 'omg this so unsettling to watch' comments. This is the same forum that regularly posts pictures/video of wounded people, corpses, other assorted medical shit, ect?

And a plane exploding is what disturbs you?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That was brutal to watch, and horrifying. More fodder for my air travel nightmares

 

[Baked]

Holy cow, I thought that 747 was doing aerial tricks in mid air... until it crashed.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Another famous example...

http://youtu.be/sjFIB1L3BPU?t=1m40s

Was this guy hotdogging it? It looks like he came in for a low fast pass, then it looks like he tried to take a very sharp turn, lost momentum, then altitude... then life.

 

[Blackjack200]

Engine stall, or air stall? You can have operational engines, but lose lift. That's called stall.

There's a wing stall where the angle of attack of the wing exceeds a certain point and ceases to provide lift.

But at high angles of attack (combined with high speed, something a 747 is pretty unlikely to experience) the engine can actually become starved for air and stall out too.

Used to happen to F-14s quite a bit.

Just thought it was interesting to mention.

 

[Blackjack200]

Was this guy hotdogging it? It looks like he came in for a low fast pass, then it looks like he tried to take a very sharp turn, lost momentum, then altitude... then life.

Can't look at youtube, is that the B-52? That was indeed a hot dog pilot that got his crew killed. There's a wikipedia article about it.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Can't look at youtube, is that the B-52? That was indeed a hot dog pilot that got his crew killed. There's a wikipedia article about it.

Yeah, that's the one. Just watched the Reno crash, and now the Russian Airshow crash. None of these videos compare to that.

 

[Markbnj]

Was this guy hotdogging it? It looks like he came in for a low fast pass, then it looks like he tried to take a very sharp turn, lost momentum, then altitude... then life.

I didn't want to get into it in public because I understand it's still controversial with his family. You can easily Google up several analyses of his record as a pilot, as well as some personal/command hierarchy drama leading up to that day's flight.

 

[tynopik]

If I were the pilot and put in a hopeless situation like that, I say if the tail wants to drop that badly, stop fighting it and try to do the first loop in a 747.

If you're going to go out, might as well do it in style.

 

[BUTCH1]

If I were the pilot and put in a hopeless situation like that, I say if the tail wants to drop that badly, stop fighting it and try to do the first loop in a 747.

If you're going to go out, might as well do it in style.

Not enough forward speed or altitude or airframe..

 

[phucheneh]

They went for the wingover instead.

...almost had it. This* close.

(*about a mile)

 

[Triumph]

I think we can all agree, as much as the A380 is a step forward over the 747, it has nothing on the grace, style, and looks of the 747. Can anyone look at an A380 and think, "Man that's a good looking plane"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXJuXOC4AKw

 

[Markbnj]

I think we can all agree, as much as the A380 is a step forward over the 747, it has nothing on the grace, style, and looks of the 747. Can anyone look at an A380 and think, "Man that's a good looking plane"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXJuXOC4AKw

The A380 is one hell of an ugly whale. The 747 could never be called beautiful with that forward upper deck, but the design comes as close to beautiful as you can get with those requirements, I think. The 787, now, is drop-dead gorgeous.

 

[twinrider1]

C-2 Greyhound crashing due to CG shift.
This one crashed due to cargo shifting aft on takeoff. Some similarities to what happened at Bagram.

I agree with Phucheneh regarding the horror aspect of the video. The deaths are certainly tragic, but the video isn't graphic.

 

[rudder]

Looks like load shifting to me. The plane is taking off at that angle on purpose. It's called a "Tactical" takeoff and done if there are possible insurgents in the area. So it's already prone to stall and then the cargo shifts to the back of the plane and it's all over and lights out.

This is what I am thinking. Also in order to do a tactical take off they can't be anywhere near max gross weight. So there was probably a lot of empty space in the plane. Maybe the locks on the pallets snapped or they were never secured.

 

[Soundmanred]

John Goodman sold the pilot cocaine.
I done seen it with my own eyes.

 

[AreaCode707]

The A380 is one hell of an ugly whale. The 747 could never be called beautiful with that forward upper deck, but the design comes as close to beautiful as you can get with those requirements, I think. The 787, now, is drop-dead gorgeous.

My BIL was a flight test engineer on that plane. Says he won't fly it commercially.

 

[skyking]

I didn't want to get into it in public because I understand it's still controversial with his family. You can easily Google up several analyses of his record as a pilot, as well as some personal/command hierarchy drama leading up to that day's flight.

No need to worry about that, Mark. His past shenanigans are documented as well. He reportedly flew the 'buff' like it was a 'tweety'.

Agreed that looks like a massive CG shift.
Here is the record of another load shift crash. I did not witness it but spoke to somebody who did. It had barrels of fuel that shifted and it did not get off the airport property. It basically pitched right at liftoff to near vertical and slammed back in tail first.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19920713-1

 

[tranceport]

Engine stall, or air stall? You can have operational engines, but lose lift. That's called stall.

QFT

 

[who?]

CNN reports that the 747 was carrying 5 MRAPs.

 

[Wyndru]

Yeah, that's the one. Just watched the Reno crash, and now the Russian Airshow crash. None of these videos compare to that.

Wasn't there another one on a military base where they released part of the video, but not the actual crash in respect to the families? I remember hearing the in flight recording where people were arguing about something moments before the crash. It was creepy.

I can't find the audio now though, but here is the video leading up to the C-17 crash, here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsBOmDAU_J0
Oops, I just realised this was posted earlier in the thread...

Oh, and since we are talking about plane crashes, here is one from the cockpit (much smaller plane):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu0jYiz-v8

 

[nextJin]

It's situations like this where as unfeasbile as it may be I'd say F it and jump out hoping to survive what would ultimately be the worlds greatest PLF minus the P.

 

[LTC8K6]

My BIL was a flight test engineer on that plane. Says he won't fly it commercially.

Several airliners have had much rougher beginnings of service, including fatal crashes, and still went on to become popular and reliable airliners.

 

[Theb]

What he really needed is a treadmill.

 

[BUTCH1]

Wasn't there another one on a military base where they released part of the video, but not the actual crash in respect to the families? I remember hearing the in flight recording where people were arguing about something moments before the crash. It was creepy.

I can't find the audio now though, but here is the video leading up to the C-17 crash, here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsBOmDAU_J0

Oh, and since we are talking about plane crashes, here is one from the cockpit (much smaller plane):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu0jYiz-v8

C-17, just dumb, it's a gigantic cargo plane, not an F-15, he actually had time to come out of the bank but chose to try and push it through, tragic end due to stupidity..


Second one, the plane was at max lbs, the rollout took so long pilot should have known there was gonna be trouble getting altitude, at one point the wheels touched back down, he should have shut it down right there and take his chances, it's damm near a miracle no one died..