BANG FOR BUCK COMPONENTS (and why you should get them)

acegazda

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BANG FOR BUCK COMPONENTS (and why you should get them)
Hopefully I will do all of the components, but for now, I just have the case writeup.
Depending on feedback, I?ll do psu and video cards next week.

1. Case

The case is a component that offers no raw performance gain, no benchmark advantage and a good one will cost more than a lot of the other components in a system. So, why invest in a good case? One reason is cooling ability. Proper cooling is essential to a stable system, gaming or non-gaming. If you?re not an over clocker, it is less of a factor, but
perhaps you need a certain amount of hard drives allowed or maybe you want a really quiet case. Whatever the purpose might be I can assure you that there is a case for you out there! Things to look at when considering a case:

?chassis material- aluminum vs. steel; Most of what some people say about aluminum?s superior cooling ability is myth because it rarely applies to cases. The big advantage aluminum has over steel is weight. Aluminum cases are ideal for LAN gamers because they are easy to transport from place to place. Steel? not so much. Steel cases do have some advantages, contrary to popular opinion. They are generally quieter and sturdier, great for a workstation or something of the sort.

?Cooling ability- Most new cases have switched to 120mm fans as the standard because they can push more air at the same noise level, or the same amount of air at a lower noise level. Look for cases that have either one or two 120mm fans included, but beware, not all case fans are created equal. For instance: thermaltake fans are louder than other fans despite their specs. Consult cases and cooling for some good fan options.

?Noise- Something that plagues thin steel cases and aluminum cases, especially cheap ones is a lot of vibration. Vibration equals noise. To overcome this, many cases will include rubber noise dampening grommets or something of the like. Components that are likely culprits for vibration noise are the PSU, hard drives, optical drives and fans. Many new cases use anti-vibration mounting, but some still use the traditional screw mounts, try to be sure your new case has these vibration isolation accessories. Also on the topic of noise, check the specs of the case you're getting for the noise level of the fans included with the case. Many times you can get a cheep fan upgrade that will not cost a lot, but produce great results.

?Expandability and interior space- If you are building a high end workstation, you will probably want a lot of hard drive space, however if you?re a high end gamer, you may need room for a water cooling system. This may bring form factor into consideration. The form factors of today are ATX, extendedATX, microATX, and BTX. The form factor may also influence what type of motherboard you get, but I?ll get into that later. Many of the high end cases, though expensive offer vastly superior interior upgradability, and cooling performance as well, simply because of their space. They also may have room for dual psus, which may become a necessity to enthusiests in the near future. Also remember: i you plan on an interior water cooling kit, you will need a lot of room in your case and unless you are really good at organizing wires, tubes and objects, this will most likely mean a full tower case.

?"Moddability"-Another component that a growing number of people have to consider is the ability of a case to be modified. This may include anything from adding fans were there aren't brackets, to decking out your case with windows, special effects, even a whole new design. In general, a case that is less curvatious is easier to mod. Cases held together with screws are easier to mod than cases held together with bolts, and for the most part, aluminum bezals are easier to mod than plastic bezals because they cut easier and are cleanly attached to the current setup, unlike plastic bezals which are almost infused into the case structure. Want to mod your pc case to look cool but don't know where to start? mnpctech.com has lots of products and some great ideas to get you started. To do some modification, you'll need the proper tools. For thinner cases, a dremmel is sufficiant. For a more heavy duty approach, check out something like this.

That?s just a quick rundown of what factors should go into choosing a case. Here?s a list of a few cases that are a great value and ?perform? well. I realize that much of the consideration that goes into choosing a case is subjective, my goal is to provide suggestions and insight, not to attempt to impose my will on you, please take my suggestions a such.

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Lian Li pc7b +2
The lian li pc7b +2 packs an aluminum chassis, 2x12cm fans, impeccable layout and good airflow into a sleek package. No bling here, just a smooth utilitarian look. It lacks vibration dampening, but at $90, you can get lian li quality for cheap!

Antec p180b
The antec p180b is a complex case in the interior so it may not be suitable for the first time builder, but if you know what you're doing its good cooling ability and decent noise reduction are a big plus if you're looking for a relatively inexpensive mid-tower. **A note** Bestbuy is recieving the p180 and is selling it for $80 here.

Aspire X-Qpack (mATX segment)

CoolerMaster Ceturion 531

Antec slk3000b

Lian Li pc-g70b (eATX segment)

Lian Li pc-201b (high end server segment)

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Hope this helps!
 

Aikouka

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Value, in my opinion, doesn't necessarily refer to the price as much as it refers to the quality and what you get for the price. I'd gladly pay 3x as much as a cheap case to get a nice Lian-Li tower as I know it's probably as apt to say the quality and workmanship is 3x better.

So, it'd be nice to see a case or two that you think offers great value even at a high price. Those are the kinds of cases that I'm looking for at the moment. One that has room (I hate working in cramped computers), space for ~4 hard drives without cramping them and good cooling capabilities (God knows my Thermaltake Xaser III has horrible cooling).
 

acegazda

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Thanks for the advice, what I meant was that $300 for the a10 is abit overpriced. Likewise, the tt tai chai has a water cooling system in it but $400 is ridiculous. I will edit the OP to include some high end bargains though... thanks!
 

krotchy

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Nice, but I would use the LL PC-201 for the high end server recommendation, as it is essentially a slightly upgraded V2000, with a door to dampen noise, plus it also has extra cooling in the Hard Drive Chamber (another 120mm fan between the PS and the intake). Also it is roughly identical in price.

Course its all up to opinion, and anyone looking into them wont walk away disappointed with either.

 

acegazda

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do you mean the lian li pc-2100a plus? The reason I didn't include that was because
1: $20 more
2: Not everyone likes doors
3. Slightly inferior airflow due to dampening foam. The v-2000 has basically vents on the front bezal, albiet not very good for noise.
 

Baked

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Best bang case list w/o Antec SLK3000B? Interesting... Solid 1mm steal case w/ rolled edges. 120mm fans front and back. Side vent to help w/ video card and PCI slots cooling. 4 optical bays. Room for 5 HDs. Rail system for the optical drives. Rubber grommets to help w/ HD vibration. All for under $50.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: acegazda
Thanks for the advice, what I meant was that no matter how good the lian li a10 plus is, i'm not paying $300 for it. Likewise, I don't care if the tt tai chai has a water cooling system in it, $400 is ridiculous. I will edit the OP to include some high end bargains though... thanks!

The problem is you cannot add your personnal opinions into stuff like this especially when others would disagree with your opinions!

Just because your not going to pay $300 for a Li Lian doesn`t mean that the quality and workmanship of that case is not a good bang for buck case!!!!

Likewise the same holds true for TT Chai with water cooling!!

You see lets take JonnyGURU and his PSU reviews. He states mostly facts and very rarely except on occasion does he allow personnal opinion based on price sway him!! On fact I have seen JonnyGURU say even though the price is high in this case you get what you pay for!!

So if you think you are doing us a service by posting these things I contend what track record do you have to back up your opinion besides the saying-- I don`t care if...paying that much is rediculous.

See my point?
Probably not but thats ok...
 

acegazda

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Baked, the coolermaster centurion is basically the same thing as the antec, just a little cheaper and w/o the rubber dampeners. Good suggestion though, I find the plastic bezal of the antec to be tacky.
Krotchy, thanks that seems to be the superior value. Kudos for finding that.

EDIT: While I see your point jediYoda, the FACT remains that the tt tai chai is OVERPRICED for what you get. Based on my RESEARCH the lian li a10 doesn't add anything other than dual psu support over the pc101 and you're paying a $50 premium for it. Thank, I know you're trying really hard to help, but everything you've ever said to be tells me "you suck" and it is hardly ever justified.
 

CP5670

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The original Stacker is another solid choice and an outstanding value given the prices it goes for these days. The black/blue version I have is currently $99 on SVC with a $20 MIR.
 

CurseTheSky

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The Thermaltake Armor LCS and Kandalf LCS's appear to be pretty good deals.

They're both in the $250-300 price range, but they have integrated liquid cooling, just like the Tai Chi. They have most of the features of other high-end cases, and definately don't feel flimsy. Actually, when I pick up my Kandalf, I feel like I'm trying to lift a Sherman Tank. Alumium is definately worth it with these, just for the weight factor.

Considering you'd pay $190 for the case alone, and $150ish for the liquid cooling system, it seems like a pretty good deal. It also has a unique look (much better than the original case, in my opinion), and comes with a premounted radiator that sports three 120mm fan. I'm happy with mine.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: acegazda
Baked, the coolermaster centurion is basically the same thing as the antec, just a little cheaper and w/o the rubber dampeners. Good suggestion though, I find the plastic bezal of the antec to be tacky.
Krotchy, thanks that seems to be the superior value. Kudos for finding that.

EDIT: While I see your point jediYoda, the FACT remains that the tt tai chai is OVERPRICED for what you get. Based on my RESEARCH the lian li a10 doesn't add anything other than dual psu support over the pc101 and you're paying a $50 premium for it. Thank, I know you're trying really hard to help, but everything you've ever said to be tells me "you suck" and it is hardly ever justified.

In this case you really need to kep this out of the realm of well I understand what you are sayuing but the bevels are plastic thus the case sucks....

What you have to say about cases is not from an all knowing stand point!

What others say about cases usually are from experience and as such just because you don`t like a plastic fitting here or something else does not mean the person who likes a certain case is wrong....

Just because not everyone likes doors is not a reason to make a judgement based on that....some people do like doors what do you say to them?? Your in the minority so shut up...lol....see.....

You see if your going to set yopurself up as a self-appointed case GURU then like Jonny who is an experienced PSU GURU; you need to talk an act as such!! Good Luck@!@!
 

acegazda

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I'd like to apologize to the readers of this thread for JediYoda trolling. If you have a problem please PM me as your posts sway farther from the topic of cases and more towards my intellect.
 

Baked

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I had a look at the CoolerMaster Ceturion 531 and it doesn't even come close to the Antec SLK3000B. In fact it looks very 1990's, aka, cheap. Given the $110 budget, I'd definitely get the Antec P180 instead.
 

WobbleWobble

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Originally posted by: Baked
Best bang case list w/o Antec SLK3000B? Interesting... Solid 1mm steal case w/ rolled edges. 120mm fans front and back. Side vent to help w/ video card and PCI slots cooling. 4 optical bays. Room for 5 HDs. Rail system for the optical drives. Rubber grommets to help w/ HD vibration. All for under $50.

Agreed. It's also very easy to find the SLK3000B.
 

Operandi

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How about the Lian Li PC-V600? It's a compact regular ATX case that has the great look and all of the build quality of the rest V series cases but undercuts them all.

The only downside is the smaller size makes everying pretty tight and you have to use lower profile heatsinks.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: acegazda
Baked, the coolermaster centurion is basically the same thing as the antec, just a little cheaper and w/o the rubber dampeners. Good suggestion though, I find the plastic bezal of the antec to be tacky.

Antec SLK3000B $31 plus shipping

I too don't like the plastic bezel of the Antec case. First and foremost I do not like doors over the drive bays. Besides that, the vents at the bottom though doing an awesome job of letting air in does a less than stellar job of pleasing my visual senses.

BTW I don't think the two (Cooler Master and Antec) cases are the same. The Antec case has fewer 5¼" bays but more internal 3½" bays, different fan mounts and possibly thicker guage sheetmetal construction. However, IMO the Cooler Master looks better.

As for the list of cases in the OP, the only one that I'd consider a "great value" is the Cooler Master. Chassis material is all personal preference, as is how it looks. Seriously, that's like saying a black case is a better value than a beige case. Your point for LAN party transportation is valid to a certain extent though. For expandability, I've rarely seen a case with all drive bays filled, so that's not much of an issue IMO for the majority of users.

My interpretation of "great value" is low price and good characteristics (this includes airflow, general construction and layout, etc.). Of course someone else may "interpret" this totally different. For some with the budget and desire, a $200 case may end up being a "great value" for that person. However, I would never spend that much on a case.
 

acegazda

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Zap, shipping is $17 for me @ provantage
Thanks for the feedback, there seems to be too much subjective factor to cases to make a concrete guide...
 

acegazda

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ahhh... I've had trouble posting links for chiefvalue.com in the past as well. I'll fix it.

EDIT: I just posted the link to the pircegrabber page. Couldn't get the chiefvalue link to post.
 
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