Barack Obama Hails Ronald Reagan

Pabster

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Story here.

I'm surprised there hasn't been more said about this, frankly. A leading Democrat hailing Ronald Reagan?

Obama is starting to look more and more like the guy who can truly bring both sides to the table and ease the gridlock in DC.
 

AnitaPeterson

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What a spin on his words...!

Even that article says Obama was "describing Reagan as appealing to a sentiment that, "We want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism nad entrepreneurship that had been missing.""....

He is discussing the sentiment to which Reagan appealed, NOT the man's policies!!! ugh!
 

Pabster

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Yes, you're right, AnitaPeterson

It is just ironic, no, to see a Democrat citing Reagan in any positive fashion?

There is a linked article within that goes in to more detail on how Obama has tried to model his campaign after Reagan as well.
 

Noobtastic

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The delusion continues.


MESSAGE HOPE, ZOMG I NEED THAT!!!!


FORGET LOGIC AND REALITY, I NEED HOOOOOOOPEE!!!!


*masturbates to Barrack Obama's blackness*


/isn't racist

 

AnitaPeterson

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There's no shame in using the lessons of the past.. I keep telling my students to read history very carefully, because those who don't learn their history are doomed to repeat it.

Obviously, Reagan's bid was overwhelmingly successful - which proves he was able to tap into what the electorate wanted to hear. If Obama sees this as an opportunity to shape hiw own political discourse, it's for the better for him.

I am, however, afraid that there will be some who will attempt to make different types of connections - to spin it, to create confusion among voters, use this as an argument that Obama is a two-faced, lying SOB etc.... If someone like Limbaugh takes this and runs away with it, not only would he empower the conservatives, but also dishearten the reformers....
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
I am, however, afraid that there will be some who will attempt to make different types of connections - to spin it, to create confusion among voters, use this as an argument that Obama is a two-faced, lying SOB etc.... If someone like Limbaugh takes this and runs away with it, not only would he empower the conservatives, but also dishearten the reformers....

Yeah, but there could be some on the left who would use it to characterize him as too right for comfort... The way Clinton (Bill) has been attacking Obama the last several weeks...seems like this would be excellent fuel for the fire.
 

Fox5

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Yes, you're right, AnitaPeterson

It is just ironic, no, to see a Democrat citing Reagan in any positive fashion?

There is a linked article within that goes in to more detail on how Obama has tried to model his campaign after Reagan as well.

So he's saying he wants to be as manipulative and misleading as Reagan? Bravo!
 

AnitaPeterson

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oh, absolutely! Spin doctors are just as bad from either side! I'm just taking Limbaugh as an example, because he's got no real reformer (or is it "reformist"?) counterpart.

Except that I don't look at the D and R in the U.S. as "left" and "right", because I don't think there is a true "centre", much less a "left" in your country... and that's why I never use these terms.

To me, when seen from any angle (economically, politically, socially or even culturally), your two parties are on the right side of the political spectrum, only in various degrees.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Yes, you're right, AnitaPeterson

It is just ironic, no, to see a Democrat citing Reagan in any positive fashion?

There is a linked article within that goes in to more detail on how Obama has tried to model his campaign after Reagan as well.

They've done their market research and see a significant number of Republicans switching over to vote for him.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Noobtastic
The delusion continues.


MESSAGE HOPE, ZOMG I NEED THAT!!!!


FORGET LOGIC AND REALITY, I NEED HOOOOOOOPEE!!!!


*masturbates to Barrack Obama's blackness*


/isn't racist

Not only are you Noob-tastic, your Boob-tastic.

It seem clear to me that Obama, the canidate for change, wants to draw some parralells between the change he represents and the change Reagan represented.

 

Starbuck1975

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Even that article says Obama was "describing Reagan as appealing to a sentiment that, "We want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism nad entrepreneurship that had been missing.""....
In examining the qualities of a leader, one could argue that Reagan communicated an ideology of optimism and faith in the American experience.

Obama can certainly point to that ideology while still contrasting himself to the policies through which Reagan enacted that vision.

Reagan's legacy was that of the great communicator...a leader with a vision for America that inspired prosperity on the economic front, and projected America onto the world stage in a manner that equally weighed the balance between diplomacy and military force.

Granted, there are some blemishes on Reagan's record, and he was in no way a perfect President...but there is a romanticism to Reagan as a leader, and Obama is attempting to capture that dynamic in his attempt to cross party lines and attract independents and even Republicans...something Hillary will be unable to do as the more polarizing of the two candidates.
 

nageov3t

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why do people give a shit about Reagan?

I don't really remember anything good coming out of the Reagan years other than some pretty speeches (that he doubtlessly didn't write) and spending my money trying to outspend the USSR.
 

AnitaPeterson

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Even that article says Obama was "describing Reagan as appealing to a sentiment that, "We want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism nad entrepreneurship that had been missing.""....
In examining the qualities of a leader, one could argue that Reagan communicated an ideology of optimism and faith in the American experience.

Obama can certainly point to that ideology while still contrasting himself to the policies through which Reagan enacted that vision.

Reagan's legacy was that of the great communicator...a leader with a vision for America that inspired prosperity on the economic front, and projected America onto the world stage in a manner that equally weighed the balance between diplomacy and military force.

Granted, there are some blemishes on Reagan's record, and he was in no way a perfect President...but there is a romanticism to Reagan as a leader, and Obama is attempting to capture that dynamic in his attempt to cross party lines and attract independents and even Republicans...something Hillary will be unable to do as the more polarizing of the two candidates.

Bravo!
End of thread.
 

Noobtastic

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Noobtastic
The delusion continues.


MESSAGE HOPE, ZOMG I NEED THAT!!!!


FORGET LOGIC AND REALITY, I NEED HOOOOOOOPEE!!!!


*masturbates to Barrack Obama's blackness*


/isn't racist

Not only are you Noob-tastic, your Boob-tastic.

It seem clear to me that Obama, the canidate for change, wants to draw some parralells between the change he represents and the change Reagan represented.


Ohhh right, and I just thought he was running for President.

XD

 

StageLeft

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I like obama, but I hate anybody who uses the name of Reagan in any speech because it's so blatantly demagogic, though of course I see it most among republican candidates who know that every time they say it, somebody watching wets themselves because the man has been built up so high that to even utter his name puts a person just a little bit closer to sainthood.

why do people give a shit about Reagan?
Because nostalgia can have a tendency to skew memories, just as we celebrate columbus day despite the fact he acted as quite a savage. I'm not saying reagan was a bad president, I'm sure that he could have been piss drunk and out-presided Bush, but _while he was president_ he was not the bee's knees to everyone, and it's not that history has judged him better because of longterm repercussinos necessarily but that people see Bush as sucking so much that they try to mentally swing it in their heads that reagan was awesome, so maybe there is hope for their party.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Even that article says Obama was "describing Reagan as appealing to a sentiment that, "We want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism nad entrepreneurship that had been missing.""....
In examining the qualities of a leader, one could argue that Reagan communicated an ideology of optimism and faith in the American experience.

Obama can certainly point to that ideology while still contrasting himself to the policies through which Reagan enacted that vision.

Reagan's legacy was that of the great communicator...a leader with a vision for America that inspired prosperity on the economic front, and projected America onto the world stage in a manner that equally weighed the balance between diplomacy and military force.

Granted, there are some blemishes on Reagan's record, and he was in no way a perfect President...but there is a romanticism to Reagan as a leader, and Obama is attempting to capture that dynamic in his attempt to cross party lines and attract independents and even Republicans...something Hillary will be unable to do as the more polarizing of the two candidates.

Bravo!
End of thread.

What we don't need is pandering, and a democrat saying something good about Reagan is pandering.

(I'm not talking here about he legitimate ability to see the good in Reagan, I'm talking about the exploitive faux-bi-partisanship to get Republican support, not unlike the way Reagan himself constantly quoted JFK to make himself seem less a right-wing radical, or the way Bush was happy to use the word 'compassionate' for himself and say various things pandering to popular liberal causes to increase his appeal to moderates. Remember *candidate* Bush on the need for a 'humble foreign policy' and 'integrity in government'?).

This is an example of Obama coming across as a 'phony', lacking in real values - and his playing 'the game' well.

The problem is, it's a consensus building on sand - it's not actually resolving the differences and the issues, it's simply talking about agreeing in principle. That paves the way for a prolonging of the issues remaining unresolved, and for the real policies to be done behind closed doors without the disucssion that makes them more democratically resolved, much as Reagan himself would use the frag and meaningless phrases about 'morning in America' while actually piling up the debt and funding death squads in Central America.

I don't see that as a good thing for our country, I see it as an example of the exact sort of infantile political culture that has led our nation downhill, as the candidates who actually deal with the tough issues are losing and those who put a smile and nothing more on the issues are rewarded.

People I think well of are jumping on the Barack wagon, and that's the best thing I can say about him so far. I *hope* he's got the substance they think he has, for all our sakes.

All I see so far is a cult of personality who is far too willing to compromise for the gains of 'inclusion'. Does he have an agenda beyond winning power? I'm not clear on that.

Whenever we elect the 'blank slate' candidate who is not offensive because everyone fills in the blanks on who they want him to be, the nation sets itself up for disappointment.

I don't think that's what we need right now, and I'd rather someone who stands for the values I think we need were winning than someone who simply 'plays the game' and may well be about as corporate-friendly as Bill Clinton, who was part of NAFTA, the Telecommunications Act, and other measures arguably not in the public interest.

I'm also concerned whether Obama can stand up to the right as we need. An Al Gore could, a Dennis Kucinich could. We don't need another Jimmy Carter situation.

When the Republicans led the nation to ruin in the 1920s, a great president who did a lot of good was elected, FDR. When the Republicans led the nation to a bad place in the 1970's, the nation elected Jimmy Carter, who was far less effective, and unfortunately paved the way for Republicans to return - and begin the downfall for the nation yet again, culminating in the disaster of GWB, and the nation ready for a backlash.

I'd like to see an FDR, not a Carter, elected. I'm unsure which Obama is, but I don't see him saying much to get excited about yet.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Noobtastic
The delusion continues.


MESSAGE HOPE, ZOMG I NEED THAT!!!!


FORGET LOGIC AND REALITY, I NEED HOOOOOOOPEE!!!!


*masturbates to Barrack Obama's blackness*


/isn't racist

Not only are you Noob-tastic, your Boob-tastic.

It seem clear to me that Obama, the canidate for change, wants to draw some parralells between the change he represents and the change Reagan represented.


Ohhh right, and I just thought he was running for President.

XD

Noob the boob, kind of has a ring to it don't you think? :laugh:

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: techs
We still haven't paid off the Reagan "tax cuts".


Taxes are still too high, and yet our government still can't balance a budget.

An increase in the size and spending of government is the last thing we need. In fact we are way past needing to put the government on a diet, it needs massive liposuction.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: techs
We still haven't paid off the Reagan "tax cuts".

I agree tax cuts and such measures are not effective enough in our current situation. We must, instead of bailing out the flood of water, right the ship and set sail for a better economic policy.

That will never happen so long as pro big government candidates continue to win elections by swearing off pieces of the infinitely expanding national piggy bank.
 

Vic

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No one and nothing is all bad or all good. Not even Reagan.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Vic
No one and nothing is all bad or all good. Not even Reagan.

Agreed. Reagan had some definite faults that I certainly wouldn't want to see repeated.
 
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