Barcelona Prediction Thread

[jhtrico1850]

Originally posted by: gOJDO
Phenom X4 vs Kentsfield, clock for clock:
GAMING -10%
GENERAL SYSTEM PERFORMANCE -5%
ENCODING/MEDIA -10%
ENCRYPTION +5%
RENDERING -5%

o rly?

 

[PetNorth]

Clock for clock: 10-15% overall faster than Core 2

 

[gOJDO]

Originally posted by: jhtrico1850

Originally posted by: gOJDO
Phenom X4 vs Kentsfield, clock for clock:
GAMING -10%
GENERAL SYSTEM PERFORMANCE -5%
ENCODING/MEDIA -10%
ENCRYPTION +5%
RENDERING -5%

o rly?

yeap. wanna bet?

 

[jhtrico1850]

o k

I bet you 5 cool points

 

[Khyron320]

Loses to the C2D/C2Q line in all category but PPW is going to be way better from AMD.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: jhtrico1850
o k

I bet you 5 cool points

hey, gojdo, I don't have that many cool points to bet but I sure would if I did!

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: gOJDO

Originally posted by: jhtrico1850

Originally posted by: gOJDO
Phenom X4 vs Kentsfield, clock for clock:
GAMING -10%
GENERAL SYSTEM PERFORMANCE -5%
ENCODING/MEDIA -10%
ENCRYPTION +5%
RENDERING -5%

o rly?

yeap. wanna bet?

Actually, I already have...I've got about a $.5 Million bet that you're wrong.

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD

Originally posted by: Amaroque
I remember gameing on a P200MMX @ 250, and a K6-2 350 @ 400. The PMMX whooped the K6's a$$.

The entire Pentium line at the time crushed any K5, K6, K6-2, K6-3, untill the Athlon came out.

AMD didn't die then, so I don't think they will now either. They may just become a "value" CPU maker, like in the old days. I don't wish to see this happen however. I remember paying $700 for a PII 350.

Remember, we probably wouldn't have Core2 if it weren't for AMD pushing Intel.

I highly doubt that the entire pentium line crushed any k5, k6, k6-2, k6-3. The amd k6 1, 2, 3 was competitive with Intel performance wise. There wasn't a big gap in performance as your post suggests. The AMD processors were priced way less too.

http://arstechnica.com/cpu/2q99/simd-shootout-8.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/19...4/06/intel/page10.html

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=262&p=1

You're undeniably right on the K6-2 and 3 being better than PMMX overall. There are a couple of things to consider though :

(1)- That overclocked PMMX he had was probably running on an 83mhz FSB instead of 66, with synchronous memory access (nice).

(2)- Most of the early 100FSB Super7 boards were TERRIBLE VIA/ALI chipset garbage. I had an Epox w/K6-3 450Mhz, and it indeed couldn't outpace my P2-233MMX @ 297Mhz (Abit !) at anything other than Quake2 w/3dnow patch.

So .. it's possible that he had a crappy system, but not the K6's fault, more of the awful mobos that were out at the time. Of course, I went to a Celeron Mendocino 300a, and it crushed the K6-450 like it was a 286.

ah, the memories

1) Yes, the PMMX was running OC'd straight across.

2) You're correct in the respect that the SS7 MB's sucked. It was an A-open MB, and I don't remember the chipset.

The game had no 3D NOW! patch either. As hardly anything did at the time.

But the the point is that my IBM 386 SX 16 MHz (not OC'd) will still be working when we're all 100 years old.

 

[gOJDO]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: gOJDO

Originally posted by: jhtrico1850

Originally posted by: gOJDO
Phenom X4 vs Kentsfield, clock for clock:
GAMING -10%
GENERAL SYSTEM PERFORMANCE -5%
ENCODING/MEDIA -10%
ENCRYPTION +5%
RENDERING -5%

o rly?

yeap. wanna bet?

Actually, I already have...I've got about a $.5 Million bet that you're wrong.

WoW! you really are a rich dude . Too bad I don't have that much money for gambling.

 

[Jeff007245]

There is no way k10 will be slower than Conroe... It will probably beat penryn as well clock for clock in most applications with my estimations below.

GAMING - +15-20%
ENCODING/MEDIA +5-20%
ENCRYPTION +5-20%
RENDERING +5-20%

GENERAL SYSTEM PERFORMANCE... K10 will be significantly faster by about 5-15% clock for clock.

As far as Barcelona is concerned, it most likely won't be the processor for more of these estimates. We'll have to wait on Phenom for that.

Barcelona will be benchmarked with server applications.

My estimate would be that K10 will be 30-50% faster in Floating Point, but about 5-10% slower in Integer.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Jeff007245
As far as Barcelona is concerned, it most likely won't be the processor for more of these estimates. We'll have to wait on Phenom for that.

Barcelona will be benchmarked with server applications.

Umm, both Barcelona and Phenom are the same architecture, aka K10.

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Jeff007245
As far as Barcelona is concerned, it most likely won't be the processor for more of these estimates. We'll have to wait on Phenom for that.

Barcelona will be benchmarked with server applications.

Umm, both Barcelona and Phenom are the same architecture, aka K10.

Yep. This is true.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Amaroque
I don't have a prediction.

If I were to speculate, I think Barcelona will be slower to start, but may end up being faster.

IPC may be higher, but AMD has a hard time with Mfg. Clock speeds will be much slower. Once AMD gets the speeds up, then Barc will probably be faster.

do you mean slower clock/clock or slower overall? I don't think that even the most rabid amd fanboy thinks that barcelona at intro will beat a Q6850, much less a Q6950.

You've never met OCHungry!! hehe.

He might as well be AMDHungry






where is that guy lately?

 

[bryanW1995]

don't worry, when phenom launches at 3.0 on nov 17 he'll be back.

 

[Mana]

Bryan, it's launching November 17th, barring delays, for sure?

*scribbles some notes on calander*

 

[bryanW1995]

I just made that number up. Don't get me wrong, I've heard dates ranging from nov-jan for phenom launch, but I think that 2 things are pretty sure: 1.) there will be SOME phenoms out before the end of the year, and 2.) unless your name is michael dell or you have viditor money you're not getting one until Q1 08.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Jeff007245
As far as Barcelona is concerned, it most likely won't be the processor for more of these estimates. We'll have to wait on Phenom for that.

Barcelona will be benchmarked with server applications.

Umm, both Barcelona and Phenom are the same architecture, aka K10.

Same architecture, but very different chips in design and performance...

 

[konakona]

sounds like everyone is just taking a shot in the dark, so why not.

I have a feeling barcelona might be slower, but phenom would be close. With clock speed bump, they phenom should pull ahead (maybe 2.4 is the magic number), hopefully.

 

[Keysplayr]

So we have Barcelona core. Are the new Opteron and the Phenom CPU's identical? Does one have something the other doesn't?
The only thing I really know is that Opteron is for servers and Phenom is for desktops. So, enlighten me, what is the difference?
And also, what is the difference in todays Opteron and Athlons. Pin count?

Thanks

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So we have Barcelona core. Are the new Opteron and the Phenom CPU's identical? Does one have something the other doesn't?
The only thing I really know is that Opteron is for servers and Phenom is for desktops. So, enlighten me, what is the difference?
And also, what is the difference in todays Opteron and Athlons. Pin count?

Thanks

dunno, but didnt s940 opterons predate the oh-so-wonderful s939 variants? if its s940 opteron vs s754 a64, gimme the latter any day Then again, I am not so knowledgeable in CPU history, so I could be totally wrong about the analogy.

I am guessing they may do something similar this time, though in which case, they might release an improved server cpu of nearly identical process/build eventually. Perhaps they could use different cache speed/size and whatnot? Just guessing anyway

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So we have Barcelona core. Are the new Opteron and the Phenom CPU's identical? Does one have something the other doesn't?
The only thing I really know is that Opteron is for servers and Phenom is for desktops. So, enlighten me, what is the difference?
And also, what is the difference in todays Opteron and Athlons. Pin count?

Thanks

Keys, this much I do know... The 940 Opterons are the multi socket ones, 2xx and 8xx variants, where all 939 Opterons are single-socket usage only. I think the only difference between 939 Opterons and Athlon64's is the binning quality. There was a socket 940 FX-5x line though that was single socket.....

As for the new line, I don't know what sockets they are on at all.

 

[Lord Banshee]

My Understanding is the following:

The Barcelona will be a 1207 pin opteron CPUS. Like the current opterons, other than the Pin count the major difference is the HT links available on the CPU. These HT links is what allows multi socket connection, the more links the more sockets connections you can have.

The Phenom will be socket AM2+/AM3 which i believe is 940 pins right? But i imagine the cores will be exact as the Barcelona except for maybe missing some error correction tech and extra HT links.

 

[bryanW1995]

there was a 940 FX-5x line? I thought that the fx51 and fx53 were skt 754, the fx55 and fx57 were 939.

edit: uh never mind. check out this:


http://translate.google.com/tr...%2Bwikipedia%26hl%3Den

 

[cubeless]

oh oh oh!!! this is like the price is right!!! i say it will be 1% faster at everything!!!

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: cubeless
oh oh oh!!! this is like the price is right!!! i say it will be 1% faster at everything!!!

ROFL :laugh:

Very true!