Barcelona runs at 3.0 ghz

MarcVenice

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now some benchies, for all I care it would be alien hardware running at 100 terraherz, doesn't mean jack if it's not faster or as fast as c2d penryns.
 

gobucks

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i'm glad for them, this at least means they aren't totally F@#Ked, but no doubt this is an extremely cherrypicked CPU. they still have a lot of ground to make up though - Penryn has been demonstrated at 3.33GHz, and some of the better QX6850s seem to be capable of 3.75GHz or more.

One thing I did notice is that the HSF is really small - if they were having a lot of frequency problems, I would have expected them to demonstrate the chip with a Tuniq Tower or Scythe Infinity or something like that, so I guess heat isn't the big problem with the chips.
 

JAG87

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no it probably isnt related to heat, barcelona is supposed to run very cool. the clock problems come from elsewhere. some say its their SOI manufacturing, I dont really know. But if barcelona is faster then yorkfield clock per clock, a 3 ghz barcelona has a good chance at least.
 

lyssword

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looks like the standard am2 athlons stock heatsink with heatpipes (3600+ and up on am2 dual cores).
 

nyker96

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that thing look like it needs like a 1k wattage PSU to run. THey should demo a 2x socketed, 2x4 setup now that's crazy, 8 cores. I really do hope they succeed for AMD's sake as well as provide some needed competition to Intel. I hate the old days with just one company and 1000 dollar/pop chips.
 

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"they still have a lot of ground to make up though - Penryn has been demonstrated at 3.33GHz, and some of the better QX6850s seem to be capable of 3.75GHz or more. "

- Aaargh! Will people stop thinking about clock speeds! I''ve seen theoretical benchmarks where a 2.6GHz Barcelona beats a 2.66GHz Clovertown by 20%. That means in theory a 3.0Ghz Barcelona will beat a 3.33GHz Penryn easily, and match a 3.66GHz Penryn.
 

nitromullet

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Whatever AMD has up its sleeve, if it's fast they NEED to post some benchmark results and/or let a few choice review sites some access for benchmarking. If they don't anyone who might possibly buy a Phenom X4 will already have bought a $250ish Q6600 and a $150 P35 motherboard by the time Phenom sees the light of day. Their lack of willingness to do anything but show a picture of a running systems leaves me somewhat skeptical of the performance. If you remember back to when the Athlon64 X2's came out, they were forthcoming with pre-release information because they knew they had a winner. The same is true with Intel and the Conroe release.

edit: Interesting that there is zero explanation on what the third card does in 'TripFire'. Is it for gaming, physics, running Folding@home while you rip DVDs, or what? Another indication that it's either not very useful or its implementation is half baked at the moment (IMHO).
 

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Originally posted by: Game Boy
"they still have a lot of ground to make up though - Penryn has been demonstrated at 3.33GHz, and some of the better QX6850s seem to be capable of 3.75GHz or more. "

- Aaargh! Will people stop thinking about clock speeds! I''ve seen theoretical benchmarks where a 2.6GHz Barcelona beats a 2.66GHz Clovertown by 20%. That means in theory a 3.0Ghz Barcelona will beat a 3.33GHz Penryn easily, and match a 3.66GHz Penryn.

WILL YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT THEORETICAL BENCHMARKS????? Its MUCH worse than talking about clock speed.
 

MarcVenice

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Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6950 @ 3.33ghz. AMD better have something up their sleeve But I doubt the performance crown is going anywhere.
 

JAG87

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6950 @ 3.33ghz. AMD better have something up their sleeve But I doubt the performance crown is going anywhere.

and dont forget that chip will easily scale to at least 4 ghz. if 65nm G0 can hit anywhere from 3.6 to 4 ghz fairly stable, imagine what 45nm hi-k can do. my bet is 4 ghz baseline, with some overclocks topping at 4.2 ghz.

amd will have a real tough time with that if they dont scale above 3 ghz. I really doubt that barcelona is 30-40% faster to make up for the clock speed, unless AMD is willing to show me some early numbers like any smart marketing department would do. AMD needs to draw bees to the hive before we have too much intel honey in our hands.
 

RussianSensation

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The problem is that today Q6600 is very cheap to pass by for C2D owners. Also when the back-to-school buying rush starts in September and Phenom isn't out, more C2D/Qs will sell. When Phenom is released, even if it performs 20-30% faster, is that going to be worthwhile to upgrade to? Intel has also previously said that they'll upgrade their architecture every 2 years which means after Phenom is released, in half a year or maybe a little more we'll see Nehalem which should wipe out any advantages AMD would have.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: Game Boy
"they still have a lot of ground to make up though - Penryn has been demonstrated at 3.33GHz, and some of the better QX6850s seem to be capable of 3.75GHz or more. "

- Aaargh! Will people stop thinking about clock speeds! I''ve seen theoretical benchmarks where a 2.6GHz Barcelona beats a 2.66GHz Clovertown by 20%. That means in theory a 3.0Ghz Barcelona will beat a 3.33GHz Penryn easily, and match a 3.66GHz Penryn.

That "theoretical benchmark" was using specfp and practically no one in the desktop market runs applications whose performance is reflected by specfp...have you ever read an anandtech benchmark article on CPU's? Ever notice the names of the benchmarks they use?

Clock speeds are a helpful metric when restricting the performance conversations within families of CPU's (as has been done here and above).

If you are incapable of figuring out why this is the case, or like to assume you do know but no one else can possibly be so clever as to figure it out as well, then you need to give up now for your life will be forever a torment as you continue to perceive yourself to be surrounded by ignorant masses from now till death.
 

Ika

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At least it doesn't need a bigass cooler to run at 3.0ghz. Hopefully, that means overclocking headroom... or not...
 

amenx

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AMD dont have to cater to overclockers, but rather the business/server side of the market where OC'ing is a non-issue and where their bread and butter is. And seeing that they need to beat or at least match Intel in performance, I suspect they'll squeeze every last drop of performance out of the Barcelona like what they did with the 3ghz 6000+ where you can barely get 100-200mhz more out of it and this with extra cooling.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: swtethan
Originally posted by: Game Boy
"they still have a lot of ground to make up though - Penryn has been demonstrated at 3.33GHz, and some of the better QX6850s seem to be capable of 3.75GHz or more. "

- Aaargh! Will people stop thinking about clock speeds! I''ve seen theoretical benchmarks where a 2.6GHz Barcelona beats a 2.66GHz Clovertown by 20%. That means in theory a 3.0Ghz Barcelona will beat a 3.33GHz Penryn easily, and match a 3.66GHz Penryn.

WILL YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT THEORETICAL BENCHMARKS????? Its MUCH worse than talking about clock speed.

Much Worse when non quadcore owners start shooting off about there C2D chips in comparison with quadcores.


But lets see how spectacular barcelona is. I saved myself from picking up another ES QX6800, to see if barcelona was really "worth it".
 

GFORCE100

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Just because a chip company has a chip to show the world that runs stable at 3GHz doesn't mean they can mass produce it in enough quantity to make it a real on the shelves so to speak product. This is true for the blue team and green team, fanboyism doesn't come anywhere near this.

They made another mistake yet again, they should have shown benchmarks if they claim it to be so good because analysts will not change their minds with being fed just hot air and quite frankly analysts determine in a big way AMD's share price. If AMD wants to spark interest from investors giving it the cash it just needs, then being quite is not the way to go.

For all one knows, that there could have just been a fake example of a 3GHz chip. All AMD had to do was modify ala hack the DLL"s responsible for the Vista Performance Index application to misreport the CPU speed. Sure this would be a very risky and stupid way to do marketing and try and get attention but hey if one's desperate then it's a viable option, so long as it never comes out in the public domain. Not very a professional means to get the world's eyes on your product to say the least.

The bottom line remains quite simple really, AMD will not be launching Phenom or Agena, the same chip basically at anywhere near 3GHz. Think 2-2.1GHz max which means that yields just aren't good.

What looks impressive at first, when examined closer, can many times be nothing more than a hoax of some kind.

It's quite easy for some smart guys to write up some PowerPoint presentations and impress world with new buzzwords and paper grown technologies that aren't even ready yet.

What AMD needs to deliver is rock evidence and not some hot air and number trickery since it's not scientists they're trying to impress but the public domain which quite frankly wants just the plain truth and nothing but the truth in easy to understand and confirm ways, ala benchmark data.

The art of a great product is to give the public want they want at the time and price they want it.
 

GFORCE100

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Originally posted by: JAG87
AMD needs to draw bees to the hive before we have too much intel honey in our hands.

A sweet phrase indeed, I like it. Must be one of your own making as I haven't seen it anywhere else.

 

VirtualLarry

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Apparently Barcelona is not the end of the improved IPC gains.

That bring us to the core after Barcelona called Bulldozer and its little brother, Bobcat. This core will have a claimed 1.3 to 2x the IPC of Barcelona.
http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41264


Edit: May not be entirely true. The Anandtech article talks about gains in terms of processing per watt, not IPC.
In the client desktop/notebook space, Bulldozer will have around 1.3x better performance per watt than Barcelona. AMD also indicated that Bulldozer will deliver as much as 1.5 - 2.0x better performance per watt in the server and HPC space when compared to Barcelona.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=3050&p=5


Performance/watt improvements seem more believable to me than straight-up IPC gains. Especially talking about gains of 2x.
 

LightningRider

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Lol, that's the Inquirer for you when it comes to things like this.

Anyways, real numbers would be nice. And what are you guys predictions about Penryn vs Phenom and Nehalem vs Bulldozer?
 

JAG87

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my predictions are that Penryn (or Yorkfield actually) will come out on top, only because Yorkfield will clock much higher than Phenom. I am betting that 4ghz aircooled quad cores will be everyday material when Yorkfield hits the market.

as far as nehalem vs. bulldozer, its too soon to make any calls.
 
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