Barton vs Thoroughbred ?

[drednox]

hi, when looking at the AMD CPUs i see 2 kinds, Barton, and Thoroughbred.

What is the difference between them could someone explain ? and which one has better performance ?

 

[Nocturnal]

Barton is a newer stepping (correct me if I'm wrong). Barton is better.

 

[nick1985]

barton has twice the cache size

 

[clicknext]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Barton is a newer stepping (correct me if I'm wrong). Barton is better.

Barton is a newer core. =) Double the L2 cache.

 

[DannyBoy]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Barton is a newer stepping (correct me if I'm wrong). Barton is better.

512kb L2 instead of 256k actually

Dan

 

[billyjak]

One thing to keep in mind though is at the high end the Thouroghbreds run at a faster clock than the Bartons.
Equal benchmarks across the board with both taking almost half their share.

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: nick1985
barton has twice the cache size

exactomundo.

 

[Mday]

Originally posted by: human2k

Originally posted by: nick1985
barton has twice the cache size

exactomundo.

NO

2x the L2 cache only.

so, barton is L1 + L2 + L2
while, TB is L1 + L2.

The L1 cache has not been doubled.

barton is good for computers requring the extra cache. not necessary for gamers. If there were core modifications other than the on-die cache, there would be some reason to get it. but thoroughbred B is what most ppl should aim for.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Mday

barton is good for computers requring the extra cache. not necessary for gamers. If there were core modifications other than the on-die cache, there would be some reason to get it. but thoroughbred B is what most ppl should aim for.

According to the latest rev. (944) of Sisoft Sandra 2003 Standard, my Tbred running at 2600+ speed (190MHz FSB though) is just a tad faster than the Athlon Barton 3000+. And my chip cost me $87 shipped and is running at that speed at default Vcore.

The winner (value-wise) is clear I think.

 

[shud]

XP 2100+ $87 shipped? Where from, and OEM or retail?

 

[Megatomic]

GoogleGear, it was OEM. The retail version was only $95 at that time too, so the price is not bad if you want a retail kit.

 

[JBT]

newegg has them gaurented to be B revisions for 87 shipped definatly a GREAT buy. wish I had the money.

 

[DX2Player]

Originally posted by: SeekingTao

Originally posted by: Mday

barton is good for computers requring the extra cache. not necessary for gamers. If there were core modifications other than the on-die cache, there would be some reason to get it. but thoroughbred B is what most ppl should aim for.

According to the latest rev. (944) of Sisoft Sandra 2003 Standard, my Tbred running at 2600+ speed (190MHz FSB though) is just a tad faster than the Athlon Barton 3000+. And my chip cost me $87 shipped and is running at that speed at default Vcore.

The winner (value-wise) is clear I think.

Um...........in what benchmark a 2100@2600 speed that beats the 3000....dont think so

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: DX2Player

Originally posted by: SeekingTao

Originally posted by: Mday

barton is good for computers requring the extra cache. not necessary for gamers. If there were core modifications other than the on-die cache, there would be some reason to get it. but thoroughbred B is what most ppl should aim for.

According to the latest rev. (944) of Sisoft Sandra 2003 Standard, my Tbred running at 2600+ speed (190MHz FSB though) is just a tad faster than the Athlon Barton 3000+. And my chip cost me $87 shipped and is running at that speed at default Vcore.

The winner (value-wise) is clear I think.

Um...........in what benchmark a 2100@2600 speed that beats the 3000....dont think so

All of them. PM me your email, I'll send you .jpgs of my testing. I don't make idle claims.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: SeekingTao

Originally posted by: DX2Player

Originally posted by: SeekingTao

Originally posted by: Mday

barton is good for computers requring the extra cache. not necessary for gamers. If there were core modifications other than the on-die cache, there would be some reason to get it. but thoroughbred B is what most ppl should aim for.

According to the latest rev. (944) of Sisoft Sandra 2003 Standard, my Tbred running at 2600+ speed (190MHz FSB though) is just a tad faster than the Athlon Barton 3000+. And my chip cost me $87 shipped and is running at that speed at default Vcore.

The winner (value-wise) is clear I think.

Um...........in what benchmark a 2100@2600 speed that beats the 3000....dont think so

All of them. PM me your email, I'll send you .jpgs of my testing. I don't make idle claims.

PWNED>

 

[DX2Player]

Originally posted by: SeekingTao

Originally posted by: DX2Player

Originally posted by: SeekingTao

Originally posted by: Mday

barton is good for computers requring the extra cache. not necessary for gamers. If there were core modifications other than the on-die cache, there would be some reason to get it. but thoroughbred B is what most ppl should aim for.

According to the latest rev. (944) of Sisoft Sandra 2003 Standard, my Tbred running at 2600+ speed (190MHz FSB though) is just a tad faster than the Athlon Barton 3000+. And my chip cost me $87 shipped and is running at that speed at default Vcore.

The winner (value-wise) is clear I think.

Um...........in what benchmark a 2100@2600 speed that beats the 3000....dont think so

All of them. PM me your email, I'll send you .jpgs of my testing. I don't make idle claims.

I dont give out my email. But how can any chip at 2600 beat a chip at 3000 in a CPU test? Even if the Barton was not an improved chip and was based only on MHz a 2600 is only 2.13GHz while the 3000 is 2.17GHz.

Show me a review where a 2600 beats a 3000, and dont think your chip is some godly chip that defies all others by magically having a more effecient design. Guess what, that core would need to be at 2.25GHz to beat the 3000. Try a different banchmark and youll see that its hardly at the 3000 level of performance

 

[SickBeast]

barton has more cache, and thus costs more "cache-money".

it's also clocked lower than a normal tbred, so be careful. read reviews before you buy.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: DX2Player

I dont give out my email. But how can any chip at 2600 beat a chip at 3000 in a CPU test? Even if the Barton was not an improved chip and was based only on MHz a 2600 is only 2.13GHz while the 3000 is 2.17GHz.

I guess you don't participate in the FS/FT forum then. I'll find a place to put them. I will show the world.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: SeekingTao

Originally posted by: DX2Player

Originally posted by: SeekingTao

Originally posted by: Mday

barton is good for computers requring the extra cache. not necessary for gamers. If there were core modifications other than the on-die cache, there would be some reason to get it. but thoroughbred B is what most ppl should aim for.

According to the latest rev. (944) of Sisoft Sandra 2003 Standard, my Tbred running at 2600+ speed (190MHz FSB though) is just a tad faster than the Athlon Barton 3000+. And my chip cost me $87 shipped and is running at that speed at default Vcore.

The winner (value-wise) is clear I think.

Um...........in what benchmark a 2100@2600 speed that beats the 3000....dont think so

All of them. PM me your email, I'll send you .jpgs of my testing. I don't make idle claims.

Go here http://pics.bbzzdd.com/ Open up an account & you can upload your pictures there for everybody to see.

Not caling you a liar,I'm just trying to help.

 

[Megatomic]

WCPUID
Sandra CPU Arithmetic
Sandra CPU Multimedia
Sandra Memory Bandwidth

There. The memory bandwidth test... I chose the fastest nForce2 test in the Sandra database. Enjoy.

 

[Megatomic]

There ya go Budman.

 

[Markfw]

I haven't seen the tests on XP2600 at 190 (2.13 ghz) vs Barton XP3000 at 333 (166), but, the higher bus speed vs the larger cache, one will win some benches, and the other will win other benches. I will take the higher fsb most of the time if I had to bet.

BTW, I have a XP2700 at 182 FSB, and I am not even pushing it, just wanted a little more, and at 2.38 ghz, I think mine will easily beat an XP3000 stock. I love the bang for the buck of the XP 2600/2700, and if you wanted to push the specs, I think the tbred-b would beat Barton at a lower speed, but I haven't heard from many people with a 2500 Barton. That could be a great one.

 

[DX2Player]

A) thats assuming those are at same clock speed B) 2194.40 is hardly 2600 speed thats over 2700 speed which is 2170
So basically you lied before, or just didnt know, your choice

Well the non barton 2800 can sometimes beat the 3000 barton but its 2.25 not 2.13 like the 2600

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: SeekingTao
There ya go Budman.

Wasnt for me I beleive ya,just trying to help.

 

[Megatomic]

Comanche 4 benchmark

More fun.