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NetWareHead

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Oh, please. I don't care how many times you cut yourself and don't notice, your weird reactions don't justify punishment that leaves children with bleeding wounds and cuts that broke the skin (assuming the article is correct in its description). The idea that anyone might consider that a "good" thing breaks my heart.

I dont think he is saying its a good thing but sometimes drawing blood is an unintended consequence. Ive had the lasting red impression of 5 fingerss across my face from a smack. Or a bruise on skin.

My dad had grounded me and removed TV privileges. He put a timer on the TV electrical cord (an xmas lights timer) so while he was at work the TV wouldnt work. I merely removed the timer and plugged the TV in. Of course I was caught circumventing my punishment. Dad came home and flipped. He removed the coaxial cable from behind the TV and started to whip my bare ass with it. The sharp copper conductor in the center cut into my skin and made me bleed.
 

lopri

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"30-year-old single mother of six" combined with the fact these boys don't already know that stealing is wrong, this is indeed a colossal parenting and adulthood fail.

That is ridiculous. What is the cut-off age?

We can have debates about corporal punishment morally, but I do not believe it is illegal.
 

Svnla

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Ok, I dig a bit deeper and here are the facts about the story.

The husband/father of the kids is currently in jail, that's why the woman in the story is listed as "single mom", not the typical "single mom" with multiple kids from different fathers and let them kids run wild without given a damn.


She works hard to provide to her kids the best way she could (as a cook and runs a small catering business).

The home owner that was burglarized agreed with her -

“We oftentimes see children who have no parental authority or discipline which eventually results in delinquency and criminal acts,” Moore said. “We need more parents who discipline their children.”


http://theadvocate.com/news/1617382...e-caught-them-burglarizing-house-deputies-say

And thousands of others too. Some even willing to pay her bail/bond.

An online article in The Advocate about Spears on Tuesday drew some 1,200 comments by that night, as well as at least one donation pledge from a stranger in Oakland, California.

Louis Villa, 83, called the paper asking where he could pay Spears’ $2,500 bail.

“I had a single parent, and hey, she had to discipline us. Yeah, I got hit by an ironing cord, but it made me a better person. It saved my life,” Villa said, adding he imagined Spears might be like his mother: a single black mom who might not have the support she needs.
 
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Linux23

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Spare little Billy the rod now and spoil him when he gets older and catches a tantrum and goes on a killing spree fueled by an antidepressant rage.
 
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"The 13-year-old, Spears’ eldest, had bleeding wounds, and her 12-year-old son received cuts that broke the skin, while the 10-year-old boy had a scratch to his hand, the report says."

Sorry, but "bleeding wounds" and "cuts that broke the skin" are not acceptable. I am a parent and I never laid a hand on my children to punish them. Not saying I wouldn't have if the circumstances warranted it. I don't know how I would have acted, just that I never needed to and for that I am grateful.

yea, that's way over the line. spanking, yea, ok, kinda get it, closed hand striking or inflicting wounds bad enough to bleed, no fucking way, that's abuse.
 

Exterous

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I dont think he is saying its a good thing but sometimes drawing blood is an unintended consequence.

More along these lines - that its possible to leave marks like those without using more force or inflicting more pain than a mild spanking involves. That, of course, might not have been the case but there isn't a whole lot to go on

your weird reactions

Not sure if your intent is to disparage the fact that I bleed somewhat easily but I have been told that my 'weird reactions' are not uncommon
 

bshole

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It just seems a little weird that a man would get arrested for physically assaulting his wife but not his minor children. Why are children the only people in America that it is legal to regularly assault physically?

Ephrata, PA – A religious nutbag was arrested and jailed on Wednesday after he beat his wife with a wooden paddle when she refused to address him as “Sir” in front of their kids.

According to police, 55-year-old Dan Kopp routinely discipline his wife whenever she didn’t show him proper respect. Some of these corrective measures included taking his wife over his knee and spanking her with a wooden paddle or his hand.

In October 2012, the wife realized her life sucked and went to police to report the abuse. She told police her 6-foot-5, 230 pound husband beat her in front of the kids as a “means of disciplining her for disobedience to him for undermining his parenting.”

She even brought along proof of the abuse in the form of a video she recorded a month prior that showed him beating her in front of their young children for not saying “Yes Sir.” Before teaching her this lesson, he gives her a “count of three to comply.” He can also be heard threatening to “cast the demons out of her” the next time she disobeyed him.


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rommelrommel

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yea, that's way over the line. spanking, yea, ok, kinda get it, closed hand striking or inflicting wounds bad enough to bleed, no fucking way, that's abuse.

Over the line, but better than a chest full of buckshot when they get caught by a homeowner.
 

hal2kilo

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I DO think that IF used very sparingly spankings work.

BUT it's to late on these kids. they are already teens. At this point she failed teaching that theft is wrong.

no amount of spankings is going to help now.

At that age I wished my parents would spank me. God, I hate lectures.

Edit: Still you teach violence to your kids when you use physical punishment. Maybe, some parents can dole it out properly, but my experience is that it was easier just to smack me, which I think momentarily made my Dad feel better, but I don't remember learning anything from them. The real punishment was restriction to the yard for a month.
 
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Linux23

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When you give me money to raise my kids you'll have every say in what I do with said kid.
 

Svnla

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Over the line, but better than a chest full of buckshot when they get caught by a homeowner.

Yup. The owner of the house that was burglarized said she would shoot if she was in the house when the kids broke in.

I think the mom was being very frustrated by how her kids behaved. Imagine after a long day at work (standing up the whole day) and then see your kids behaved that way. She probably was like "I work several jobs to take care you guys the best I could on my own and I teach you guys the right and wrong and now this is how you guys repay me?"
 

Oyeve

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I personally would have put these kids in jail, or whatever the legal punishment would be. But sometimes a kid needs a smack. Not necessarily saying make them bleed, but a face-smack is not unwarranted.
 

Blue_Max

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I personally would have put these kids in jail, or whatever the legal punishment would be. But sometimes a kid needs a smack. Not necessarily saying make them bleed, but a face-smack is not unwarranted.

Not a bad idea. Partly for being "scared straight" but also as an early reminder of what is likely to happen if one chooses thuggery as a "lifestyle choice". :sneaky:
 

Subyman

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It just seems a little weird that a man would get arrested for physically assaulting his wife but not his minor children. Why are children the only people in America that it is legal to regularly assault physically?

:thumbsup: Totally agree. So weird how the most vulnerable people in our society may be spanked and beaten.

Just think if the justification for the man beating his wife was "she was out of line" or "I was teaching her a lesson." People on here would be seeing red against him.
 

MrPickins

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I dont think he is saying its a good thing but sometimes drawing blood is an unintended consequence. Ive had the lasting red impression of 5 fingerss across my face from a smack. Or a bruise on skin.

My dad had grounded me and removed TV privileges. He put a timer on the TV electrical cord (an xmas lights timer) so while he was at work the TV wouldnt work. I merely removed the timer and plugged the TV in. Of course I was caught circumventing my punishment. Dad came home and flipped. He removed the coaxial cable from behind the TV and started to whip my bare ass with it. The sharp copper conductor in the center cut into my skin and made me bleed.

What you're describing there is abuse. :\
 

Eli

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Don't agree. Sometimes controlled violence is an appropriate response to sufficiently bad behavior.

My 6 year old daughter exhibited not just misbehavior but real cruelty to my 4 year old son awhile back. Imagine knocking someone down and spitefully laughing at their cries of pain, and doing all this having not been provoked in the slightest.

How is that to be punished in a just manner? A stern talking-to, time-out, and/or denial of various things she wants or likes doesn't seem to cut it - in her mind (and more importantly in my son's mind) she got away with it.

In this case, she got smacked on the butt, amid other non-violent punishments.
I don't have kids, but I can understand how spanking could be a useful tool, when used appropriately and sparingly.

I have cats. When a young cat gets too rough, you bite or pinch it back. No amount of yelling or scolding is going to let it understand that it's hurting you, until you hurt it back. This works really well in my experience, they learn very quickly what is too rough.
 
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slugg

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Well, I stopped forging signatures on poorly-graded papers, and subsequently lying about it for one.

There are plenty of things I learned from it.

Same here. I laugh whenever someone calls it "abuse," or even alludes to it. My mom used to threaten to "break my face" (transliteration from Spanish) if I disrespected her and/or didn't do what she said. And she did! Once. Never happened again, because I wasn't a little shit head anymore.
 

bshole

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When is it wrong? What are the rules for beating your children?







 
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