Battle over the past rages on in an evolving South

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Look you racist scumbag, no matter how much you try to dress up your hatred for blacks with claiming the south was about "states rights" and whatnaught, the only thing keeping you from going out and killing a 'race troublemaker' is the fact that the cops don't have your back anymore. Oh, and the south left because they wanted to keep slaves, and felt the North would force them to lose them.


Oh, just a question. Do you have a problem with slavery? I mean, if you had your way, we'd still have slaves. So tell me. Is slavery ok?


Yes, I am a racist. Nothing wrong with that. Here's the Merriam-Webster definition of it:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination


Race does determine one's traits and capacities. That does not mean that one race is superior is all aspects, but rather that each race has their own strengths and weaknesses. For example, ever notice that nearly all track & field sprinters are blacks? The only non-blacks in the sprinting events are from the countries that do not have black citizens.

And we all discriminate every single day of our lives. We discriminate against who we want to be friends with, who we want to date, which groups we want to belong to. That is what it means to be human - we choose our own destination.

As for slavery, it's wrong. Unfortunately, we are all slaves to the US government today. Think not? Then don't pay your property tax (i.e. "rent") and let's see who really owns that plot of land. All able-bodied males were slaves to the US government during WWII and during Vietnam when the draft was in place.

Take a look at what a confederation of states has to offer - very limited central government and very low taxation. Two requisites for liberty and freedom.
Wow so no one has a problem with this? Where are the true Americans? Where have they gone? Have we, in 2005, forgot the lessons of the great Americans who fought for true justice and liberty?

F!ck me Hunter S., I hope you weren't right.

Look you piece of human sh!t slavery is working in a field with the hot sun burning down on your back while you cut your hands on cotton for NO MONEY. SLAVERY is being considered an animal NOT WORTHY of education. SLAVERY is being whipped if you don't meet your exact share of cotton. SLAVERY is not working in a comfortable office and paying your taxes.

If you are a representation of the south, Praise Allah, Jesus and Ram you people are my greatest enemies. You are the true enemies of mankind. I would not mind putting my life on the line to fight you.

Disturbed as I am to admit it, well said.

Jason
 

I800C0LECT

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hrmmm.

Did anybody ever stop to think that maybe we're all wrong about what was "recorded" in the history books?

For the most part, majority of Southerners have no clue as to waht their heritage might really be. Most of the aristocratic nature of the culture has been washed out through generalized education. Northerners....if you really think the war was fought based on moral high ground....I'm pissed for you

Btw...aren't northern VA schools reguarded as some of the best school systems in our entire nation/world?....sux to be them...
 

I800C0LECT

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one question....if that's slavery, then what's sharecropping?

You should get a much better perspective on slavery in the South. Agriculture is a very timely business...if you're one day off you just screwed yourself for a whole year. Under what circumstance would you chance your earnings because you felt the need to beat your slave? At times the beatings did happen...but it is far fetched to believe it was widespread. You should also consider that less than 10% of the southern population even owned a slave...less than 1 percent of that margin was able to afford more than 2 or 3 slaves.

Ever wonder why more slaves fought for the South than the North? A black professor of Hampton University from Virginia figured that one out

Not trying to upset anybody...but maybe we should try expanding our horizons....northerners are as much bound by basic human nature as people are in the south. Not one of us is any better than the other.

Allow others vices you do not allow yourself.
 

ZeGermans

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here's the bottom line: anyone who tries to defend the confederacy under the guise of "states rights" basically is saying "I like havin mah n[igg]a makin mah tea in dah early mornin." That's all there is to it. Halos, you're a racist scumbag who was born about 100 years to late, since now your piece of crap ideas are not commonly accepted, in fact, they are rejects for being as idiotic as they where back then. Sorry you can't go home and whip your subjects over this post, but unfortunatly, no thanks to you, we don't subjugate 'inferior' races to do everything we wish them to do. Oh, one last thing, your fuehrer killed himself when he saw the battle was beyond hope. Do the same, please.
 

I800C0LECT

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
here's the bottom line: anyone who tries to defend the confederacy under the guise of "states rights" basically is saying "I like havin mah n[igg]a makin mah tea in dah early mornin." That's all there is to it. Halos, you're a racist scumbag who was born about 100 years to late, since now your piece of crap ideas are not commonly accepted, in fact, they are rejects for being as idiotic as they where back then. Sorry you can't go home and whip your subjects over this post, but unfortunatly, no thanks to you, we don't subjugate 'inferior' races to do everything we wish them to do. Oh, one last thing, your fuehrer killed himself when he saw the battle was beyond hope. Do the same, please.



That's quite abrasive...

Still...the issue lies in yours and his ignorance of the South relating to Slavery.

My only suggestion is that as queer as it sounds....'Gone With The Wind' does quite a good job at describing social intricacies of the south and it's aristocratic nature. Most of which was destroyed during "reconstruction" btw...I'm referring to the book, not the movie.

I bet you never knew that the KKK began as a fraternity. The idea was to honor the bravery of the men that fell in the war. Annually they would parade in sheets symbolising the ghosts of the dead confederate soldiers looking over family and friends from beyond the grave. Quite admirable...agreed? Of course, just like professional athletes, it only takes a couple bad apples to to taint the overall picture. Today it lingers as one of our weaker moments in the history books. our = our nation
 

MovingTarget

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Sigh.... so much ignorance in this thread. So much angst. I don't want to start passing out 's here, seeing as I'd probably run out of them. Any true Southerner looking at this thread would probably be discusted.

Yes, the South did own slaves. But contrary to many people with an unfounded bias agains the region, we do not, nor never will advocate a return to that institution. Same with segregation. The ones that do are seen as lunatics. The South did not fight the War under the mantra of "OMG, we have to keep our slaves!!". To say so only proves that you know next to nothing about history, and about the South. Sure, slavery was a key issue in the divide between the North and South, but it was by no means the cause of the war. The main issue was the divide between the economies and the percieved loss of political power leading up to and including the election of Abraham Lincoln. Slaves weren't counted as fully human when it came to congressional seats nor electoral votes (3/5 compromise ring a bell?), and that only exhaserbated the loss of political power. The North had much larger (growing) population, more industrialized areas, urban societies, etc, which translated into more and more political seats while the South was largely agrarian and couldn't keep up. We tried to stick up for ourselves from the eventual steamroller that the north seemed to be becoming to Southern interests. We felt that our voice in government was being (or would be) silenced. This has already been stated here in this thread.

Slavery was NOT the reason the war was fought. Northerners probably wouldn't have supported starting a war over slaves which even they thought inferior. Many thought then, as some anti-Southern bigots do now, that the USA would be better off without the South. Abolishing slavery was invoked later in the war as a political tool and economic weapon. Trying to take the moral high ground, by stating that it was a added reason for the war, added fuel to the fire of its support in the north. Heck, even after the war, slavery remained in the boarder states that had sided with the Union. (until the constitution was amended) The Emancipation Proclamation did nothing about thier situation. Only slaves in remaining Southern lands when it was given that had yet to be taken were freed. Simply put, if you take away slaves which were a large part of the economic structure of the South, you in a sense destroy its economic base and ability to fight.

The South today is much better than it has ever been. We have integrated (albeit with reservations and even resistance, but that has largely subsided), and are very proud to be part of the USA. We wouldn't want it any other way. However, vestiges of Southern History do remain. Yes, the South lost, but it put up a good fight with what it had. We should be proud of that and what is good about the South. It can be seen in the way people act towards another (Southern hospitality...its suttle, but you definitely see the difference when travelling outside of it), in our moral convictions, in our devotion to religion (sometimes even to its detriment), and in an independant spirit both in the southern concience and political philosophy. To say that the South is a bunch of imbred hicks who live to hate blacks while playing the banjo and talking slower than possibly anyone else in the counrty is just stupid. (in response to the speed of our speech topic, it is often said that we speak slow only to help slow minded yankees understand us) Unfortunately, many of what made the South great has been slowly worn away by the injustice that was reconstruction and assimilation into a more homogenized national culture. What many of us allude to as the revival of the South is simply the pragmatic approach of taking what we have left of it, expanding on the good, and leaving such things as slavery/segregation in the dust.
 

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I'm not quite sure if I can dig up the picture....but I do have one photo of an entire family from SC....friends of course, who happened to paint their entire barn up as the Virginia Battle Flag (commonly misinterpretted as the Confederate Flag).

...of course it's an all black family....

ironic?

The flag's purpose is religious in nature. A cross on it's side...

Partly to remind the southern soldiers the duty they held to God
 

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In a linguistics course we were recently taught that a study by harvard I suppose?....showed that Southerners actually spoke more words per minute than northerners. I'm not quite sure how much anybody will put into that....they concluded that although focusing on the accent, majority of the time....people from other regions had difficulty keeping up with our dialect....we just talk too damned fast ;P

btw...stellar performance MovingTarget
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: eigen
To bad they cant educate their children, or keep marriages together, or not have the most amount of fatasses........

My son goes to one of the top 5 public schools in the nation.......


As a lifelong yankee until a few years ago I can give you my personal opinion on the differences between the north and south. The south blows the north away, the people are FAR more sociable and the overall attitude is much more positive. The one thing that was far different than expected was race relations, MUCH better in the south.
 

Starbuck1975

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anyone who tries to defend the confederacy under the guise of "states rights" basically is saying "I like havin mah n[igg]a makin mah tea in dah early mornin."

You have no grasp of the historical context of the struggle between states rights and a strong federal government, a debate that began during the framing of the Constitution and largely remained unresolved even after the convention. I recommend you read the Federalist papers among other documentation from the Constitutional Convention, as it created the powder keg that ultimately led to the Civil War...slavery was nothing more then the final match that set the powder keg off.
 

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: eigen
To bad they cant educate their children, or keep marriages together, or not have the most amount of fatasses........

Don't stoop to that level..

Stereotypes and generalizations don't help.

The south does have more of an obesity problem and have a bigger divorce problem than the north though. I doubt they rank very high in education either.

 
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