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Thinker_145

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Why can't people accept the fact that we just don't have the tech for reliable 4K gaming and just be happy with 1440p for now??

As long as you don't expose yourself to better things your enjoyment of the lower tier will be higher. Not to mention I personally would rather have 1440p @ 144hz over 4K @ 60hz regardless of performance limitations.
 
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Annisman*

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My next monitor will be 4K 240hz+ OLED or something close to it. I also want to be able to drive my games at >80 fps consistently at that resolution. I'm prepared to wait. Currently my buttery smoothe 100+ fps @ ultra settings 1440p on 64 player maps in BF1 is tickling me the right way.
 

tg2708

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Since we are discussing monitors a bit do you think I should get a Gysnc ips now or hold out for hdr? While 60 hz is fine the difference in smoothness evident.
 

Annisman*

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Since we are discussing monitors a bit do you think I should get a Gysnc ips now or hold out for hdr? While 60 hz is fine the difference in smoothness evident.

HDR on PC feels like it's going to take a while to get going, even then you will then need developers to create HDR content so I say get Gsync 120hz+ right now, you can always sell in a year or two for a cheap HDR upgrade when it's finally here.
 

Mondozei

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My next monitor will be 4K 240hz+ OLED or something close to it.

Given the small PC monitor market(even if the high-end is doing well, the volumes are low), I'd guess your first true 4K OLED high-refresh display is likely to be found in a VR HMD.
 

Annisman*

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Given the small PC monitor market(even if the high-end is doing well, the volumes are low), I'd guess your first true 4K OLED high-refresh display is likely to be found in a VR HMD.

I'd be down with that, currently unimpressed with the present VR offerings though admittedly I haven't tried any of them personally.
 

Mondozei

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Since we are discussing monitors a bit do you think I should get a Gysnc ips now or hold out for hdr? While 60 hz is fine the difference in smoothness evident.

I say IPS 144 Hz now. HDR displays are still some ways off. You might as well wait for OLED and get HDR in the same package for the next monitor 3-4 years from now.
 
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Mondozei

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I'd be down with that, currently unimpressed with the present VR offerings though admittedly I haven't tried any of them personally.

Agreed. The selection is quite low at the moment. I don't think we'll see signficant movements in the VR space until Scorpio/PS4Pro really get off the ground in terms of sales, so about 2-3 years from now.

Mass mainstream adoption won't happen until PS5 and whatever equivalent will come from Xbox. By that time we should have 4K/OLED/120+ Hz displays in VR at decent prices. Maybe 5 years from now. I think a lot of early adopters got burned on VR, but hopefully not too burned so as to write it off. I still think it has amazing implications, but there are some stuff that doesn't work quite as well(such as fast-paced shooters like BF1) on the platform. I don't think VR will totally replace monitors, just supplement them.
 

RussianSensation

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Agreed. The selection is quite low at the moment. I don't think we'll see signficant movements in the VR space until Scorpio/PS4Pro really get off the ground in terms of sales, so about 2-3 years from now.

Mass mainstream adoption won't happen until PS5 and whatever equivalent will come from Xbox. By that time we should have 4K/OLED/120+ Hz displays in VR at decent prices. Maybe 5 years from now. I think a lot of early adopters got burned on VR, but hopefully not too burned so as to write it off. I still think it has amazing implications, but there are some stuff that doesn't work quite as well(such as fast-paced shooters like BF1) on the platform. I don't think VR will totally replace monitors, just supplement them.

I tend to agree. It seems highly unlikely that cutting edge 4K OLED 120Hz or even 4K IPS 120Hz monitors will be priced reasonably in 2017-2019. What makes it even more costly are the much higher requirements for flagship GPUs in CF/SLI due to 4K+120Hz nature compared to 1440p 60-165Hz and the fact that 4K is best experienced on a larger monitor. 4K on a small 24-28" has a lot of compromises outside of games. I think even 4K on a 32" monitor may not be that great compared to say a 40-43" size. There is also the fact that in terms of pure IQ (black levels, contrast levels, colour accuracy, smart features, HDMI ports, etc.), modern 4K HDR HDTVs blow PC monitors completely out of the water.

We already have a situation where 28-32" 4K IPS panels cost as much if not more than superior in IQ and larger 4K HDTVs. I prefer the versatility of a larger screen for a wide variety of media consumption and productivity where the 40-43" size would shine over 24-32" 4K. There is a huge opportunity for HDTV manufacturers to introduce 4K HDTVs with HDR and DP1.4 with 120Hz capability. As long as input lag is kept reasonably in check, PC monitors will have a hard time competing. Those LG OLED HDTVs are out of this world gorgeous that make Acer and Asus 3440x1440 100Hz IPS panels look like 10-year-old tech in terms of IQ. Given the price premium these 1440p 100Hz 34-35" monitors have, it's hard to imagine how a 32" 4K IPS/VA 120Hz or 4K OLED 120Hz PC monitor would be any less than $1500+ should it debut in 2017 [for OLED, at least double or triple that price.]
 
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Mondozei

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We already have a situation where 28-32" 4K IPS panels cost as much if not more than superior in IQ and larger 4K HDTVs. I like the versatility of a larger screen for a wide variety of media consumption and productivity where the 40-43" size would shine over 24-32" 4K. There is a huge opportunity for HDTV manufacturers to introduce 4K HDTVs with HDR and DP1.4 with 120Hz capability. As long as input lag is kept reasonably in check, PC monitors will have a hard time competing. Those LG OLED HDTVs are out of this world gorgeous that make Acer and Asus 3440x1440 100Hz IPS panels look like 10-year-old tech in terms of IQ.

Wise words. I do think that the saving grace for computer monitors will be low input lag. The TV-as-a-monitor market is quite tiny, even if it is popular in our enthusiast community, we're not representative at all. A TV manufacturer will always prioritise IQ over input lag, since the vast majority of content is 30 fps. Given how fast-paced eve ncasual games like Rocket League is these days, or 'serious' games Dota 2, having big input lag is a huge no for anyone remotely serious about gaming, which is often a bleeding-edge demographic for expensive monitors.

Still, if the price for a 4K OLED HDR 60 Hz TV falls to reasonably low standards, it could cannabilise some parts of the market. Overall, I am a bit skeptical to how fast the PC monitor market will change. Even today only something like 3% of the entire Steam survey is 1440p or above. Yes, a lot of those people are just on budget laptops, but the percentage still stays in the single digits if we only focus on "real" PCs.

I think you really need a concerted console push to make this happen in the PC space, which might upset the PCMR folks. I think Scorpio/PS4Pro's 4K push is still mostly marketing. The TV market is still overwhelmingly 1080p even if 4K TVs do sell well, it will take several years to truly make a significant dent in the overall stock. We will most likely have to wait until 2020 and beyond for a real jump to 4K native not just as an option, but as the default expectation for gaming as the power of those consoles will simply be too powerful for 1080p. That is also when I expect to see a serious shift to 4K. I'm currently using the ASUA PG279Q. I bought it on last year's black friday and I expect it will be my main monitor for at least 4 years. Hopefully I am wrong and I'll "have" to upgrade sooner if a serious 120 Hz 4K OLED monitor comes out within the next two years for a sub-$799 price, but like you, I don't see that on the cards.
 
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moonbogg

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A lot can happen in the monitor market in a few years. Look how fast 1440p evolved from being a very rare, high res solution with lots of compromises for gaming to a much better, high refresh, IPS, low input lag option and now prices keep falling for the TN variants. That seemed like it happened overnight with the release of the original ROG swift. After that the flood gates opened for high res gaming panels.
I think in 2020 we will have available a high end, very expensive, very impressive ultra wide 8K gaming screen featuring OLED and all the other goodies like HDR, variable sync, high refresh etc.
 

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HDR monitors are a ways off, but you can go and buy a very nice HDR TV today with acceptable levels of input lag (not great, but not awful).

I'll be playing HDR on my HDR TV as soon as it picks up steam on PC
 

Thinker_145

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I always found it befuddling how terrible the IQ on high end monitors is compared to even mid range TVs. Why can't we PC gamers answer with our wallets that we care about IQ? Do we even care?
 
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I always found it befuddling how terrible the IQ on high end monitors is compared to even mid range TVs. Why can't we PC gamers answer with our wallets that we care about IQ? Do we even care?

I think for the most part PC monitor manufacturers have been forced to choose between IQ and input lag/response time, they usually choose the latter. Only recently for example has an IPS panel (superior IQ to the common TN) been paired with very low input lag (such as my Acer Predator) it's taken forever but computer monitors are finally starting to get better at both, I don't think the technology was there to do it 3 or 4 years ago.
 

Thinker_145

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I think for the most part PC monitor manufacturers have been forced to choose between IQ and input lag/response time, they usually choose the latter. Only recently for example has an IPS panel (superior IQ to the common TN) been paired with very low input lag (such as my Acer Predator) it's taken forever but computer monitors are finally starting to get better at both.
But IPS monitors have trash IQ relatively speaking.
 

moonbogg

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But IPS monitors have trash IQ relatively speaking.

Compared to what? For ages, gamers were screaming like spoiled children because they wanted IPS gaming monitors. Now they have them and suddenly they suck. Not good enough! We want OLED god class monitors!
I'm here to tell you that I hear your cry and I have your answer. God class panels are coming in 2020 and they won't be surpassed until your visual system gets voluntarily hacked by an Nvidia neuronal imaging generator.
 
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Thinker_145

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Compared to what? For ages, gamers were screaming like spoiled children because they wanted IPS gaming monitors. Now they have them and suddenly they suck. Not good enough! We want OLED god class monitors!
I'm here to tell you that I hear your cry and I have your answer. God class panels are coming in 2020 and they won't be surpassed until your visual system gets voluntarily hacked by an Nvidia neuronal imaging generator.
I never asked for IPS gaming monitor. I am one of those who never had a problem with IPS input lag and response times even back in the day.

I never had a TN monitor I jumped straight from CRT to IPS. I hung on to CRT for the longest time and when I finally had an IPS LCD I was shocked by how atrocious the corner glow and contrast is. The backlight bleed was also something new for me and these 3 to me remain the biggest problem with IPS LCDs.

I also find the use of anti glare coatings in most gaming monitors to be an unfortunate thing. Sure pro gamers need it but for those of us who play games in darkness which I believe is the majority it is just a ridiculous IQ compromise. Even the "light" matte coatings can destroy the purity of a bright image.

Gamers gloss over the resolution and the Hz and I find that funny since the base IQ of our monitors is so bad.

I like the resurgence of VA monitors and my next monitor will hopefully be one even if it's resolution/Hz are nothing to rave at.

A run of the mill 32" Samsung 1080p TV has better IQ than all of the non VA gaming monitors.
 
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happy medium

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Benchmark on GameGPU were updated some GPUs gained performance and added mgpu benchmarks






http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/battlefield-1-test-gpu
WOw @ 1080p my gtx 960 dud videocard is woopen a 7970/280x/380 and on the heels of the gtx780 and 380x in direct x 11.With my good overclock I should be on the heels of a gtx780ti/ r9 290. Not bad for a 19 month old 170$ crap card ha.? Looks like I won't need to upgrade for this game either.

Look at the gtx970 go also. I may pick one up used for 150$ and overclock it to gtx980/rx 480 speeds. great value.
 

RussianSensation

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Look at the gtx970 go also. I may pick one up used for 150$ and overclock it to
gtx980/rx 480 speeds. great value.

If the 960 is good enough for you, why upgrade as 2017 GPUs/refreshes will be even faster/cheaper. Then in 2018 we get Volta and Navi. $150 for a used 970 isn't a good deal as there are a handful of deals for $165 RX 480 4GB. Even without any special deal, a brand new $170 RX 470 is a better deal than a used $150 GTX970. Also, your CPU will start to hold back this level of card but you knew that

A run of the mill 32" Samsung 1080p TV has better IQ than all of the non VA gaming monitors.

This has been pissing me off for years. Even a 2009-2012 Panasonic or Samsung 1080p plasma blows the doors of in IQ compared to any 2016 non-OLED PC monitor. I bet a 2006-2008 era Pioneer plasma would still be better than $1200 PC gaming monitors in terms of IQ for movies/pictures, etc.

Remember how for almost a decade the 30" 2560x1600 monitors cost $1000-1500 USD? A lot of it has to do with volume production. There are simply not going to be as many 35" 3440x1440 100Hz PC monitors sold compared to 40-50" Samsung/LG/Panasonic/Visio 4K HDTVs. That alone means PC monitor manufacturers will not be able to compete on price or IQ. That's why I can easily envision a scenario where a 32" 4K HDR OLED PC monitor costs as much or more than a 55-60" LG HDR OLED HDTV. As a consumer, the price premium for small screens of PC monitors and inferior IQ has been a big criticism of mine. Despite that, the vast majority of PC gamers continue to purchase and upgrade to 1080p IPS/TN panels if we were to take Steam's trends as relevant.
 

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If the 960 is good enough for you, why upgrade as 2017 GPUs/refreshes will be even faster/cheaper. Then in 2018 we get Volta and Navi. $150 for a used 970 isn't a good deal as there are a handful of deals for $165 RX 480 4GB. Even without any special deal, a brand new $170 RX 470 is a better deal than a used $150 GTX970. Also, your CPU will start to hold back this level of card but you knew that
and the GTX 970 3.5 GB vram will start limiting its performance when they use that quantity of vram (unless driver changed how they handle vram)
 
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If the 960 is good enough for you, why upgrade as 2017 GPUs/refreshes will be even faster/cheaper. Then in 2018 we get Volta and Navi. $150 for a used 970 isn't a good deal as there are a handful of deals for $165 RX 480 4GB. Even without any special deal, a brand new $170 RX 470 is a better deal than a used $150 GTX970. Also, your CPU will start to hold back this level of card but you knew that

Yep his CPU maxes out around the 480 / 1060 level.





Definitely not worth an upgrade unless you basically broke even with selling current card.
 

happy medium

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If the 960 is good enough for you, why upgrade as 2017 GPUs/refreshes will be even faster/cheaper. Then in 2018 we get Volta and Navi. $150 for a used 970 isn't a good deal as there are a handful of deals for $165 RX 480 4GB. Even without any special deal, a brand new $170 RX 470 is a better deal than a used $150 GTX970. Also, your CPU will start to hold back this level of card but you knew that
No bottleneck, my cpu will do 4.5 and when overclocked the $150 gtx970 will demolish a $170 rx 470. I can still get over 100$ for my gtx960. So $50 for 47% more performance from a gtx970 is a great value.
Yes, I will grab a nice upgrade when they refresh cards late next year.
Mabe a cheap gtx1070. to go with an i7 Kabylake cpu.
 

happy medium

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and the GTX 970 3.5 GB vram will start limiting its performance when they use that quantity of vram (unless driver changed how they handle vram)
Na , I don't mind very high settings vs ultra settings. I'm one of the few people that understands how to use the GRAPHICAL SETTINGS in a game.
In most games I cant tell the difference between ultra and high.
 
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