Battlestar Galactica Season 3 Episode 4 (oops) Is On TONIGHT!!!

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: techs
Enjoy it while it lasts.
Ratings are nowhere near what they need to be to continue such an expensive series.
Scifi goofed badly by showing the first two essentially disapointing espisodes which drove off many new viewers, then showed the episode that cost a season worth of special effect dollars.
While this season is safe, at best a shortened, special effects limited next season is the only possibility.
Just long enought to get Caprica launched.
btw don't expect Caprica to have many special effects. It is basically a drama series.
The real hope, and it is realistic, is a big budget theatrical release.

go ahead and steal candy from a kid...why dont you!

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: techs
Enjoy it while it lasts.
Ratings are nowhere near what they need to be to continue such an expensive series.
Scifi goofed badly by showing the first two essentially disapointing espisodes which drove off many new viewers, then showed the episode that cost a season worth of special effect dollars.
While this season is safe, at best a shortened, special effects limited next season is the only possibility.
Just long enought to get Caprica launched.
btw don't expect Caprica to have many special effects. It is basically a drama series.
The real hope, and it is realistic, is a big budget theatrical release.

go ahead and steal candy from a kid...why dont you!

that felt like the bottom just went out below me

 

[lyssword]

awesome episode

But xo poisoning his wife was sad

 

[d3n]

I think SciFi is jumping the shark and they know it. The new exec doesn't care about 'scifi' just ratings. She'd change the format in a heartbeat if it meant more ad revenue. I hope to get at least two more seasons out of Galactica.

 

[Skyye]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Anybody that watched the original knew Pegasus wasn't going to be around forever

You are right, but in the original, didn't Commander Cain die on the first Pegasus as it went crashing into a cylon basestar?? If memory serves me correctly Apollo was not even in charge of it... I realize this is a totally new series, and I love it too, but wouldn't it be nice if they had more inside jokes once in awhile for the fans of the old show....

For instance I love that they have Richard Hatch on the show, the first time I saw him I about flipped out, haha. What is Dirk Benedict doing these days anyway?? Is he even still alive?? (Turns out he did a cameo for the video game, neat! I just looked him up on IMDB.)

 

[Cattlegod]

OMG great show!!!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Skyye

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Anybody that watched the original knew Pegasus wasn't going to be around forever

You are right, but in the original, didn't Commander Cain die on the first Pegasus as it went crashing into a cylon basestar?? If memory serves me correctly Apollo was not even in charge of it... I realize this is a totally new series, and I love it too, but wouldn't it be nice if they had more inside jokes once in awhile for the fans of the old show....

<geek> Cain drove the Pegasus in between two basestars to allow the Galactica to escape. It was presumed that the Pegasus and Cain were destroyed but they kind of left it up in the air as to whether or not that actually happened. </geek>

 

[iwearnosox]

One of the best episodes of television to ever air. Just wow.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: lyssword
awesome episode

But xo poisoning his wife was sad

She was so annoying I'd have killed her myself.

 

[resinboy]

was Cain played by Lloyd Bridges? Been a LONG time since I saw that episode............

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: d3n
I think SciFi is jumping the shark and they know it. The new exec doesn't care about 'scifi' just ratings. She'd change the format in a heartbeat if it meant more ad revenue. I hope to get at least two more seasons out of Galactica.

Exactly. I don't recall her name, but she was the one who signed up wrestling arguing it was ratings and she didn't care about scifi.
She is also the one behind the 25 or so horrendous movie of the week they put out that are essentially unwatchable.
btw the reason all the paper on the show has the four corners cut off was an inside joke about how the sci-fi channel is constantly on their case to cut corners.

 

[Skyye]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Skyye

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Anybody that watched the original knew Pegasus wasn't going to be around forever

You are right, but in the original, didn't Commander Cain die on the first Pegasus as it went crashing into a cylon basestar?? If memory serves me correctly Apollo was not even in charge of it... I realize this is a totally new series, and I love it too, but wouldn't it be nice if they had more inside jokes once in awhile for the fans of the old show....

<geek> Cain drove the Pegasus in between two basestars to allow the Galactica to escape. It was presumed that the Pegasus and Cain were destroyed but they kind of left it up in the air as to whether or not that actually happened. </geek>

Indeed! you get the gold star you know your Battlestar!

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: d3n
I think SciFi is jumping the shark and they know it. The new exec doesn't care about 'scifi' just ratings. She'd change the format in a heartbeat if it meant more ad revenue. I hope to get at least two more seasons out of Galactica.

Exactly. I don't recall her name, but she was the one who signed up wrestling arguing it was ratings and she didn't care about scifi.
She is also the one behind the 25 or so horrendous movie of the week they put out that are essentially unwatchable.
btw the reason all the paper on the show has the four corners cut off was an inside joke about how the sci-fi channel is constantly on their case to cut corners.

hehe while you are wrong, that is funny, that actaully was something they did in the first series from 1978....But I am sure you already knew that

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Skyye

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Skyye

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Anybody that watched the original knew Pegasus wasn't going to be around forever

You are right, but in the original, didn't Commander Cain die on the first Pegasus as it went crashing into a cylon basestar?? If memory serves me correctly Apollo was not even in charge of it... I realize this is a totally new series, and I love it too, but wouldn't it be nice if they had more inside jokes once in awhile for the fans of the old show....

<geek> Cain drove the Pegasus in between two basestars to allow the Galactica to escape. It was presumed that the Pegasus and Cain were destroyed but they kind of left it up in the air as to whether or not that actually happened. </geek>

Indeed! you get the gold star you know your Battlestar!

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: d3n
I think SciFi is jumping the shark and they know it. The new exec doesn't care about 'scifi' just ratings. She'd change the format in a heartbeat if it meant more ad revenue. I hope to get at least two more seasons out of Galactica.

Exactly. I don't recall her name, but she was the one who signed up wrestling arguing it was ratings and she didn't care about scifi.
She is also the one behind the 25 or so horrendous movie of the week they put out that are essentially unwatchable.
btw the reason all the paper on the show has the four corners cut off was an inside joke about how the sci-fi channel is constantly on their case to cut corners.

hehe while you are wrong, that is funny, that actaully was something they did in the first series from 1978....But I am sure you already knew that

Huh. I read it in an interview with Ronald Moore. I am going to have to check it out on the old series.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
BEST. EPISODE. TO. EVER. GRACE. THE. TV. AIRWAVES. IN. HUMAN. HISTORY.

That whole sequence w/ the vipers launching from the atmospheric jump was INSANE. I literally yelled out loud "holy sh!t!!! :Q"

There were a few cliche's, BUT, they didn't seem like cliche's. It felt like as if this episode wrote the definition of "cliche" and showed how it should be done. BSG is now the best TV show on earth (historically, and currently).

I love Hot Dog: "This should be different" - fwoosh!


*spoilers*





That was a badass jump sequence. Good god, the pegasus took out two basestars after it exploded. Wow, great ep.

I'm glad Gaida survived, he's always been one of my favorites, though it looks like some people are going to try to put him out an airlock next week. Best of luck to the man.

It'll be interesting to see where Baltar goes now that he's seperated from the human race.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Skyye

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Skyye

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Anybody that watched the original knew Pegasus wasn't going to be around forever

You are right, but in the original, didn't Commander Cain die on the first Pegasus as it went crashing into a cylon basestar?? If memory serves me correctly Apollo was not even in charge of it... I realize this is a totally new series, and I love it too, but wouldn't it be nice if they had more inside jokes once in awhile for the fans of the old show....

<geek> Cain drove the Pegasus in between two basestars to allow the Galactica to escape. It was presumed that the Pegasus and Cain were destroyed but they kind of left it up in the air as to whether or not that actually happened. </geek>

Indeed! you get the gold star you know your Battlestar!

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: d3n
I think SciFi is jumping the shark and they know it. The new exec doesn't care about 'scifi' just ratings. She'd change the format in a heartbeat if it meant more ad revenue. I hope to get at least two more seasons out of Galactica.

Exactly. I don't recall her name, but she was the one who signed up wrestling arguing it was ratings and she didn't care about scifi.
She is also the one behind the 25 or so horrendous movie of the week they put out that are essentially unwatchable.
btw the reason all the paper on the show has the four corners cut off was an inside joke about how the sci-fi channel is constantly on their case to cut corners.

hehe while you are wrong, that is funny, that actaully was something they did in the first series from 1978....But I am sure you already knew that

this is from Ronald Moores blog:
"I'll second the question - why is it that the paper in the Galactica universe has the corners cut off, even the tractor fed printer sheets! i just want to know."

This is a closely guarded secret of the show and certainly not a wacky design element that someone came up with during the miniseries.


In a follow up interview he does reveal it was to signify the cost cutting pressure he was under.
Plus the issue of this being from the original series seems to have arisen from the playing cards used on the original series. They might appear to have the corners cut off but they were actually hexagonal or octagonal.

I am still looking for the actual Ronald Moore blog or interview where he actual says what I said he said.

EDIT: I did find this here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407362/trivia
Paper in the series have corners cut off. It is said that director Michael Rymer did this during the miniseries as a reference to how he had to "cut corners" financially to make the miniseries work on a limited budget.

 

[techs]

Okay, now that I have shown how the paper corners were indeed an inside joke as to how they had to cut corners, I will post some interesting stuff.

Here is some BSG trivia:
As in the original "Battlestar Galactica" (1978), Viper weapons fire is red and the Cylon Raiders' is white.

There are only four ships that appear in the remake but not in the original: "Colonial One" (the transport used by Laura Roslin), the Olympic Carrier, Cloud 9 and the ringed passenger liner.

Commander Adama has a shaving mirror in his cabin. This mirror is made by IKEA, and is a model called "Fräck" (spelling according to IKEA Web site). This word is similar to "frak" (spelling according to the subtitles with an "a" and without a "c"), which is the primary vulgarity in the Battlestar Galactica universe. "Fräck" is Swedish and can actually mean insolent or shameless but the meaning IKEA is most likely after is striking, which is another interpretation of the word.

In the original scripts, Admiral Cain's first name was Nelena.

"Kobol" in the ancient Persian language means "Heaven". It is also an anagram of "Kolob", the name of the planet/star nearest the "throne of God", according to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) - Glen A. Larson, the executive producer of the original television series, was a church member and incorporated a number of themes from Mormon theology into the show.

Number Six (Tricia Helfer) was named after Patrick McGoohan's character in the television series "The Prisoner" (1967).

The Season 2 opening theme song is a famous Hindu mantra, the Gayatri Mantra, taken from the Rig Veda. The words are "OM bhûr bhuvah svah tat savitur varçnyam bhargô dçvasya dhîmahi dhiyô yô nah pracôdayât", which may be translated in various ways but means approximately "may we attain that excellent glory of Savitar the God / so May he stimulate our prayers".

Katee Sackhoff was able to continue wearing her thumb ring while shooting by explaining it away as Zak Adama's ring.


Paper in the series have corners cut off. It is said that director Michael Rymer did this during the miniseries as a reference to how he had to "cut corners" financially to make the miniseries work on a limited budget.

The telephone handset used on the bridge of the Galactica is a US Army issues field telephone used since the Korean War, known as the TA-1.

Jane Seymour was offered the role of Admiral Nelena Cain. When she turned down the offer, Ronald D. Moore offered the role to Michelle Forbes and she accepted.

The characters Tarn and Selix, who first appear in "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part 2", were named at the behest of Aaron Douglas, who plays Chief Petty Officer Tyrol. Douglas noted that the two were originally listed in the script generically (Technician 1 and 2) and, recognizing the potential of the two characters, consulted with others in the cast to give them proper names. Douglas then inserted their new names into his lines on every take.


The season 1 finale, "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Parts 1-2", went through a number of changes according to the Podcast commentary for both episodes. Some of these early differences include:
1. Part One was to conclude with the Raptor crashing and Part Two would end with Starbuck stealing the Raider to finish the finale with a season-ending cliffhanger. This was changed when the original pacing wasn't working.
2. Originally, the ruins on Kobol were supposed to be a huge temple that was mirrored on Caprica. This was abandoned due to cost constraints.
3. What Baltar and Number Six experienced inside the ruins on Kobol went through a number of changes. Originally, Ron D. Moore proposed to the other writers that there was supposed to be a bright corridor of light. In a later version, there was to be complete darkness punctuated with music from a song recognizable by both the audience and the two explorers. Then, Dirk Benedict (Starbuck from the original "Battlestar Galactica" (1978)) was supposed appear and say something like, "Hi. I'm God." followed by TO BE CONTINUED... However, the other writers quickly disparaged the idea as implausible, and Ron D. Moore reluctantly agreed.
4. One concept that the writers liked, but were forced to abandon was the idea that the interior room of the ruins was to be located in "otherspace" or in a different spatial or dimensional location.

When they created the sub plot with Helo and Boomer on Caprica the creators did not know why Boomer and the Cylons were interested in Helo. It was only about half way through the first season that they decided that the Cylons were interested in biological reproduction, an issue that has become very important to the series.

The subplot set on Cylon Occupied Caprica with Helo and Boomer was not originally planned; after being left of Caprica in the mini series, Helo was supposed to never be seen again: the audience would be left to assume that he died. Only after seeing the audience's reaction to Helo did the show producers decide to bring him back, and introduce another Boomer, and the Cylons' experiments in creating a Cylon/Human Hybrid, which eventually became an integral part of the Cylon "plan".

Doc Cottle is named after Michael Rymer's childhood pediatrician, who was actually a very nice person unlike his fictional counterpart.

The phrase "so say we all", which is used as a ceremonial affirmation in the series, was ad-libbed by Edward James Olmos in a speech given by Commander Adama in the mini-series.
The Battlestar Pegasus set is actually the recycled set of the Jupeter 2 from The Robinsons: Lost in Space (2004) (TV). The set was purchased when the latter's pilot failed to generate a series.

Both Ronald D. Moore and James Callis have said that all the lead actors were required to sign seven-year contracts when they were hired for the pilot miniseries.

Lucy Lawless was originally offered the role of Ellen Tigh, but rejected it feeling that she was wrong for the part. The producers so wanted her for a role on the series, however, that they later wrote the role of D'Anna Biers with Lawless in mind.

 

[techs]

While I am at it here is a great link to picture of the Galactica plummeting down that is suitable as desktop wallpaper:
http://www.alecm.com/images/gallery/galleryBIG_BSG303_062x05_0093.jpg

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: techs
While I am at it here is a great link to picture of the Galactica plummeting down that is suitable as desktop wallpaper:
http://www.alecm.com/images/gallery/galleryBIG_BSG303_062x05_0093.jpg

Nice, When this airs on UHD it should make for a better HD screen caputre.

 

[palindrome]

i wish the whole season came out at once

 

[ai42]

Originally posted by: techs
Enjoy it while it lasts.
Ratings are nowhere near what they need to be to continue such an expensive series.
Scifi goofed badly by showing the first two essentially disapointing espisodes which drove off many new viewers, then showed the episode that cost a season worth of special effect dollars.
While this season is safe, at best a shortened, special effects limited next season is the only possibility.
Just long enought to get Caprica launched.
btw don't expect Caprica to have many special effects. It is basically a drama series.
The real hope, and it is realistic, is a big budget theatrical release.

Well battlestar in general is highly drama based. Of course there are episodes like this one where they are cool space battles and I'm sure the CG in this episode was expensive. But the next episode looks pretty CG-less with a lot of internal turmoil. I doubt this is budget busting stuff they might have forced themselves to do 2-3 epsiodes with almost no CG to make up for it. Also selling DVDs is huge revenue for Universal so I don't think Battlestar is going anywhere. Also not to mention Battlestar has awsome ratings compared to Stargate SG1 and I'm sure the level of CG is similar.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: techs
Okay, now that I have shown how the paper corners were indeed an inside joke as to how they had to cut corners, I will post some interesting stuff.

Here is some BSG trivia:
As in the original "Battlestar Galactica" (1978), Viper weapons fire is red and the Cylon Raiders' is white.

There are only four ships that appear in the remake but not in the original: "Colonial One" (the transport used by Laura Roslin), the Olympic Carrier, Cloud 9 and the ringed passenger liner.

Commander Adama has a shaving mirror in his cabin. This mirror is made by IKEA, and is a model called "Fräck" (spelling according to IKEA Web site). This word is similar to "frak" (spelling according to the subtitles with an "a" and without a "c"), which is the primary vulgarity in the Battlestar Galactica universe. "Fräck" is Swedish and can actually mean insolent or shameless but the meaning IKEA is most likely after is striking, which is another interpretation of the word.

In the original scripts, Admiral Cain's first name was Nelena.

"Kobol" in the ancient Persian language means "Heaven". It is also an anagram of "Kolob", the name of the planet/star nearest the "throne of God", according to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) - Glen A. Larson, the executive producer of the original television series, was a church member and incorporated a number of themes from Mormon theology into the show.

Number Six (Tricia Helfer) was named after Patrick McGoohan's character in the television series "The Prisoner" (1967).

The Season 2 opening theme song is a famous Hindu mantra, the Gayatri Mantra, taken from the Rig Veda. The words are "OM bhûr bhuvah svah tat savitur varçnyam bhargô dçvasya dhîmahi dhiyô yô nah pracôdayât", which may be translated in various ways but means approximately "may we attain that excellent glory of Savitar the God / so May he stimulate our prayers".

Katee Sackhoff was able to continue wearing her thumb ring while shooting by explaining it away as Zak Adama's ring.


Paper in the series have corners cut off. It is said that director Michael Rymer did this during the miniseries as a reference to how he had to "cut corners" financially to make the miniseries work on a limited budget.

The telephone handset used on the bridge of the Galactica is a US Army issues field telephone used since the Korean War, known as the TA-1.

Jane Seymour was offered the role of Admiral Nelena Cain. When she turned down the offer, Ronald D. Moore offered the role to Michelle Forbes and she accepted.

The characters Tarn and Selix, who first appear in "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part 2", were named at the behest of Aaron Douglas, who plays Chief Petty Officer Tyrol. Douglas noted that the two were originally listed in the script generically (Technician 1 and 2) and, recognizing the potential of the two characters, consulted with others in the cast to give them proper names. Douglas then inserted their new names into his lines on every take.


The season 1 finale, "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Parts 1-2", went through a number of changes according to the Podcast commentary for both episodes. Some of these early differences include:
1. Part One was to conclude with the Raptor crashing and Part Two would end with Starbuck stealing the Raider to finish the finale with a season-ending cliffhanger. This was changed when the original pacing wasn't working.
2. Originally, the ruins on Kobol were supposed to be a huge temple that was mirrored on Caprica. This was abandoned due to cost constraints.
3. What Baltar and Number Six experienced inside the ruins on Kobol went through a number of changes. Originally, Ron D. Moore proposed to the other writers that there was supposed to be a bright corridor of light. In a later version, there was to be complete darkness punctuated with music from a song recognizable by both the audience and the two explorers. Then, Dirk Benedict (Starbuck from the original "Battlestar Galactica" (1978)) was supposed appear and say something like, "Hi. I'm God." followed by TO BE CONTINUED... However, the other writers quickly disparaged the idea as implausible, and Ron D. Moore reluctantly agreed.
4. One concept that the writers liked, but were forced to abandon was the idea that the interior room of the ruins was to be located in "otherspace" or in a different spatial or dimensional location.

When they created the sub plot with Helo and Boomer on Caprica the creators did not know why Boomer and the Cylons were interested in Helo. It was only about half way through the first season that they decided that the Cylons were interested in biological reproduction, an issue that has become very important to the series.

The subplot set on Cylon Occupied Caprica with Helo and Boomer was not originally planned; after being left of Caprica in the mini series, Helo was supposed to never be seen again: the audience would be left to assume that he died. Only after seeing the audience's reaction to Helo did the show producers decide to bring him back, and introduce another Boomer, and the Cylons' experiments in creating a Cylon/Human Hybrid, which eventually became an integral part of the Cylon "plan".

Doc Cottle is named after Michael Rymer's childhood pediatrician, who was actually a very nice person unlike his fictional counterpart.

The phrase "so say we all", which is used as a ceremonial affirmation in the series, was ad-libbed by Edward James Olmos in a speech given by Commander Adama in the mini-series.
The Battlestar Pegasus set is actually the recycled set of the Jupeter 2 from The Robinsons: Lost in Space (2004) (TV). The set was purchased when the latter's pilot failed to generate a series.

Both Ronald D. Moore and James Callis have said that all the lead actors were required to sign seven-year contracts when they were hired for the pilot miniseries.

Lucy Lawless was originally offered the role of Ellen Tigh, but rejected it feeling that she was wrong for the part. The producers so wanted her for a role on the series, however, that they later wrote the role of D'Anna Biers with Lawless in mind.

more fun, 1978 vs 2003
http://dvdtalk.com/cineschlock/battlestar/

 

[Horus]

Just watched the ep.

OMG. Simply unbelievable. I just though, "What a perfect way for Pegasus to go out." and the atmospheric jump was HELLA COOL.

I hate to say it...but this show is better than Any series of Star Trek. By far.

 

[neutralizer]

Just watched the episode again. I can't stop watching the atmosphere jump. It was just way too cool. This show has quickly shot up my list of TV shows as the best.

 

[flashbacck]

This is a nitpicky point, but they never explain how the lucy lawless cylon that was shot by Boomer and locked in the vault, got out. She wasn't wounded when she was looking for the baby, so that implies she killed herself and was resurrected. But in that case how come she didn't warn other cylons that Boomer was in the city?

Anyway. Yes, Galactica jumping into the atmosphere was pretty spectacular.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: flashbacck
This is a nitpicky point, but they never explain how the lucy lawless cylon that was shot by Boomer and locked in the vault, got out. She wasn't wounded when she was looking for the baby, so that implies she killed herself and was resurrected. But in that case how come she didn't warn other cylons that Boomer was in the city?

Anyway. Yes, Galactica jumping into the atmosphere was pretty spectacular.

How do you know that it wasn't a different one that she shot?