Bay Area anti war rally this weekend.

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Why is it "un-american" to disagree with the US government? Some people support the war, some don't. Why is one side "American" and the other is "Un-American"?

This guy posted that there was going to be a rally for interested people and all you guys can do is call them names and tell them to move? If you don't agree, don't go.

So it is not ok to criticize those who do not agree with what you do? Come on. This thread was an open invitation for insults and opinions.

I didn't say whether it was or wasn't, but I don't recall seeing too many of the anti-war people posting insults and such to people who are all for war. I mean, the guy just made a general announcement of a rally that *gasp* some people might be interested in, and all people can do is say stuff like "wear flowers in your hair", and call them un-american and communists.

I guess I don't see the purpose of resorting to insults and accusations of being "anti-american" just because some people don't think we should go to war.

You have never seen anti-war people posting insults in OT? Can I get the address of the rock you live under?

 

[BD231]

I guess I don't see the purpose of resorting to insults and accusations of being "anti-american" just because some people don't think we should go to war.

This is earth dude, everyone's an a**hole to some extent . Don't let it bother you though man, the people of atot LOVE to spout crap about anything and everything.

 

[Insane3D]

You have never seen anti-war people posting insults in OT? Can I get the address of the rock you live under?

Actually, that is not what I said. Let's review..

but I don't recall seeing too many of the anti-war people posting insults and such to people who are all for war.

I never said it didn't happen, I just said I haven't seen it much. However, I don't spend much of my time here, so it's quite easy that I may have missed many posts. Please explain to me why I "live under a rock" if I don't spend a lot of time in OT? Is it possible that I am out doing more important things than spending all my time in ATOT?

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: BD231
I guess I don't see the purpose of resorting to insults and accusations of being "anti-american" just because some people don't think we should go to war.

This is earth dude, everyone's an a**hole to some extent . Don't let it bother you though man, the people of atot LOVE to spout crap about anything and everything.

I don't let it bother me, I just find it interesting how people act sometimes.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

You have never seen anti-war people posting insults in OT? Can I get the address of the rock you live under?

Actually, that is not what I said. Let's review..

but I don't recall seeing too many of the anti-war people posting insults and such to people who are all for war.

I never said it didn't happen, I just said I haven't seen it much. However, I don't spend much of my time here, so it's quite easy that I may have missed many posts. Please explain to me why I "live under a rock" if I don't spend a lot of time in OT? Is it possible that I am out doing more important things than spending all my time in ATOT?

No now you are trying to spin what I said. If you don't spend time in OT why would you make that comment and expect it to be true? Both sides aggravate each other with insults equally the anti-war side is no more nobler than the pro-war side. If you haven't seen it much because you spend your time elsewhere then why speak as if you were advertising the truth?

 

[Kilgor]

but I don't recall seeing too many of the anti-war people posting insults and such to people who are all for war.

I'll give you some help do a search on hagbard, Bluga or The King of the Incognizant Moonbeam.

 

[Insane3D]

No not you are trying to spin what I said.

How so?

If you don't spend time in OT why would you make that comment and expect it to be true.

I just made a comment based on my perception. If it is incorrect, than I have no problem admitting it. I didn't state that there was more acrimony coming from the pro-war side as a fact, just as an observation based on the time I have spent here. I admittedly have spent more time here just recently, and I may have missed some of the past posts from the opposite side.

If you haven't seen it much because you spend your time elsewhere then why speak as if you were advertising the truth?

I apparently was misunderstood. As I stated above, I was making a comment on my perception in the time I have spent here. I was not trying to proclaim my view as fact.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

No not you are trying to spin what I said.

How so?

If you don't spend time in OT why would you make that comment and expect it to be true.

I just made a comment based on my perception. If it is incorrect, than I have no problem admitting it. I didn't state that there was more acrimony coming from the pro-war side as a fact, just as an observation based on the time I have spent here. I admittedly have spent more time here just recently, and I may have missed some of the past posts from the opposite side.

If you haven't seen it much because you spend your time elsewhere then why speak as if you were advertising the truth?

I apparently was misunderstood. As I stated above, I was making a comment on my perception in the time I have spent here. I was not trying to proclaim my view as fact.

Gotcha. I pretty much misunderstood what you said. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Trezza]

I swear to GOD! If you guys are going to Moonbeam like this go to your own damn website. Dam hippies.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Trezza
I swear to GOD! If you guys are going to Moonbeam like this go to your own damn website. Dam hippies.

Interesting... Are you in charge of who posts @ AT now? I was under the impression this was a public forum and I believe Moonbeam was here long before you...

 

[Trezza]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Trezza
I swear to GOD! If you guys are going to Moonbeam like this go to your own damn website. Dam hippies.

Interesting... Are you in charge of who posts @ AT now? I was under the impression this was a public forum and I believe Moonbeam was here long before you...

no but moonbeams really annoying.

 

[Insane3D]

no but moonbeams really annoying.

To some people... I think he just looks at things from a different perspective than most people. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

 

[MinorityReport]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Need to have a Welcome to Reality rally

Will California secede from the union already?

We would love to, except the rest of the nation wont let us because they need our economy. Unlike North Carolina, we're actually worth something, no matter what kind of sh1tty recession we are in.

CA, NJ, NY, TX contribute 40% of US GDP. And 70% of trade internationally.. that is all imports/exports.

Take them away you will be left with bible belt fundoos who will troll with ease in their corn fileds all day long with their huntign rifles shooting at Canadian geese, feeling proud.

 

[Kilgor]

CA, NJ, NY, TX contribute 40% of US GDP. And 70% of trade internationally.. that is all imports/exports.

Take them away you will be left with bible belt fundoos who will troll with ease in their corn fileds all day long with their huntign rifles shooting at Canadian geese, feeling proud.

And 60% of the GNP and 30% of trade internationally.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Tominator

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Tominator

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: IGBT
Marxist serial protesters unite..here's our chance to take over the world..and make it all like Cuba...

Since when was peace related to socialism? Some of the most tyranical military leaders in the world have existed under socialism/communism.

Follow the money....Communism is ALIVE!

You act as if Communism is actually a threat. After a century of dismal failure Communism is well on it's was to being nothing more than a footnote in the history of Mankind. Religion, on the other hand, has been extremely destructive and has caused thousands of years of human misery and it is still going strong. I'd say that Anti War Messages and Protests by the Catholic and Protestant Church's should be looked at with more suspicion than any event sponsored by an ineffective political ideological group

Communism has killed uncounted millions just in the last hundred years. Unlike religion where the MISUSE of has killed far fewer in history.

Misuse of ANY freedom is evil. Communism is evil at it's foundation.

But of course, you being a do nothing but complain moderate, cannot see the obvious...

You've got to be kidding me. You think I've come to this conclusion just sitting here thinking about it? Study the history of man, especially in the regions of Europe and the Middle East and one thing will stand out above the others. Wars, Persecution and Untold Sorrow suffered by Man during that time all had one thing in common, Religion. Like Communism, bloody tyrants have used Religion to kill Millions upon Millions over the last two Millenniums. You say it was the misuse of Religion that was responsible? Ok then the same could be said regarding the misuse of Communism that has killed Millions this century. Communism, like Religion, is just another means that Tyrants used to lord over and slaughter people. The difference is that a hundred years from now Communism will be a faded memory but Religion will still be as prevalent and still will be used as a means to subjugate the masses to the will of a few.

 

[novon]

50K+ expected at the Seattle rally today, I'll be there.

 

[Tominator]

There is a difference. Communism fails everytime it's tried.

How about you make a list of the things that can be used for good end being misused. That will keep you busy for at least a week...Yet society does not dismiss the things in your list. They learn from the mistakes and attempt to stamp out the evil.

Communism is evil at it's conception.

The idiots participating in the rallys being held worldwide have the best of intentions for the most part, but are only a tool of the Communist....again, follow the money.

 

[her209]

Capitalism cost too much.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Tominator
There is a difference. Communism fails everytime it's tried.

How about you make a list of the things that can be used for good end being misused. That will keep you busy for at least a week...Yet society does not dismiss the things in your list. They learn from the mistakes and attempt to stamp out the evil.

Communism is evil at it's conception.

The idiots participating in the rallys being held worldwide have the best of intentions for the most part, but are only a tool of the Communist....again, follow the money.

Of course Communism has failed, that's why I say that in a hundred years it will just be a footnote in History. As for it being evil at conception, you'll need to explain that for me. It's flawed and unworkable but evil?

Also explain how these protestors are a tool of the Communists? I'm sure there are going to be Priests and Ministers speaking for peace. Does that mean the Protestors are tools for Religion too?

 

[scottrico]

Damn hippies.

I am not a hippie.

this war is wrong.

We need jobs not war.

Show some support for my 6 buddies who are sitting in Kuwait, d@mn hippies.

I do support our armed forces, I care so much that I dont want to see them die.
I lost my grandfather in the korean war and two more family members in vietnam.

Bush is nothing but a cowboy!

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Tominator
There is a difference. Communism fails everytime it's tried.

How about you make a list of the things that can be used for good end being misused. That will keep you busy for at least a week...Yet society does not dismiss the things in your list. They learn from the mistakes and attempt to stamp out the evil.

Communism is evil at it's conception.

The idiots participating in the rallys being held worldwide have the best of intentions for the most part, but are only a tool of the Communist....again, follow the money.

Of course Communism has failed, that's why I say that in a hundred years it will just be a footnote in History. As for it being evil at conception, you'll need to explain that for me. It's flawed and unworkable but evil?

Also explain how these protestors are a tool of the Communists? I'm sure there are going to be Priests and Ministers speaking for peace. Does that mean the Protestors are tools for Religion too?

Communism relies on a populace that has no control over their own lives. The use of brute force is neccessary to subdue the citizens. The State comes first PERIOD! There has never been a communist country where the government did not slaughter it's own citizens. Not one!

Communist organizations are the major instigators of these protests. They fund the the whole shebang.

My beliefs say that noi man is 'reverend. or 'holy.' We are all just men. Many of these people have communist leanings. Jesse Jackson. Desmond Tutu. Some are taking part because they feel war is never neccessary and some just because of the situation between Iraq and the US can be best served by giving Saddam more time. More time is what Clinton and Carter gave North Korea and if anything Saddam would be much more dangerous than NK with like capability. This will not be allowed to happen.

There will be no more time given. For twelve years Saddam has made the UN and the US play a fool's game. Our pilots trying to enforce the no-fly zones are fired on even to this day.

If France, Russia and Germany do not join the US in ousting Saddam, the UN is finished. All Bush is waiting for now is the Joint Cheifs to give the 'We are ready" signal.

 

[blackhawk]

Any chance of an "Anti Saddam" rally in Bagdad to balance things out?

democracy is so under rated when thats all you know!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Tominator

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Tominator
There is a difference. Communism fails everytime it's tried.

How about you make a list of the things that can be used for good end being misused. That will keep you busy for at least a week...Yet society does not dismiss the things in your list. They learn from the mistakes and attempt to stamp out the evil.

Communism is evil at it's conception.

The idiots participating in the rallys being held worldwide have the best of intentions for the most part, but are only a tool of the Communist....again, follow the money.

Of course Communism has failed, that's why I say that in a hundred years it will just be a footnote in History. As for it being evil at conception, you'll need to explain that for me. It's flawed and unworkable but evil?

Also explain how these protestors are a tool of the Communists? I'm sure there are going to be Priests and Ministers speaking for peace. Does that mean the Protestors are tools for Religion too?

Communism relies on a populace that has no control over their own lives. The use of brute force is neccessary to subdue the citizens. The State comes first PERIOD! There has never been a communist country where the government did not slaughter it's own citizens. Not one!

Communist organizations are the major instigators of these protests. They fund the the whole shebang.

My beliefs say that noi man is 'reverend. or 'holy.' We are all just men. Many of these people have communist leanings. Jesse Jackson. Desmond Tutu. Some are taking part because they feel war is never neccessary and some just because of the situation between Iraq and the US can be best served by giving Saddam more time. More time is what Clinton and Carter gave North Korea and if anything Saddam would be much more dangerous than NK with like capability. This will not be allowed to happen.

There will be no more time given. For twelve years Saddam has made the UN and the US play a fool's game. Our pilots trying to enforce the no-fly zones are fired on even to this day.

If France, Russia and Germany do not join the US in ousting Saddam, the UN is finished. All Bush is waiting for now is the Joint Cheifs to give the 'We are ready" signal.

Communisms major flaw is man's greed. Capitalism uses that greed in way that makes the playing field somewhat level.

Communism isn't evil; those who force it on others are the evil ones. Religion's not evil either but when men force their religious beliefs on others the results are the same. The difference is that Communism was a Social experiment that has failed and will eventually fade where as Religion has proven to be an effective tool to control others and will continue to be used as such.

As for Jackson and Tutu being Communists, that?s news to me. They may be out of touch with reality (and their dwindling support base seems to show this). Part of the Marxist philosophy is the Religion is a determent to Man and both Jackson and Tutu are Christian Layman so their beliefs are at odds with Marxism .

Regarding NK, I think that you are forgetting that we haven't/hadn?t the will to use Military Force on them no matter who is President as doing so would mean a direct armed conflict with China. Since China hasn't shown a desire for expansionism it really isn't in our best interest to force an armed conflict with them. What is in our best interest is to make them an active member in the world community. In doing so we make the rogue state of NK just as dangerous to their interests as NK is to ours and the other nations in that region. Since China is really the only Power in that region that has any discernable influence over NK, diplomacy between us and China is the best was to go about dealing with the NK situation. Of course China see's this as an opportunity to enhance their position as a World Leader and an Up and Coming Super Power and they'd be negligent not to take advantage of it. Hopefully Bush and his crew will be able to skillfully negotiate a solution with the Chinese, failure to do so will be a failure of Bush's Presidency.

Iraq is a different situation yet again this is a test of the Bush Administration Diplomatic Skills. If the Bush Administration is successful they will bring France, Russia and Germany onboard or at least convince them not to be a roadblock regardin any Military Actions undertaken to disarm Hussien . If not this surely could be the end of not only the UN, but of NATO. If that happens then history will label Bushes Presidency as being responsible for the downfall of both those organizations and as another of its failures. There's no doubt that we are going to take Military action against Hussien, I'm just hoping that our elected officials are up to the task diplomatically. I believe with a little patience they can achieve this (well if they are up to the task) If not then maybe we have the wrong people leading our country.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: IGBT
Marxist serial protesters unite..here's our chance to take over the world..and make it all like Cuba...

For too many participants to say there all a bunch of Marxists...nice try though.