BCS Ranking Thread (Updated for 10/21/2007)

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: mxrider
(biased Missouri fan here)

Kansas is so overrated, look at who have played
1. Central Michigan 2. Southern Louisiana 3. Toledo. 4. Florida International 5. K-State 6. Baylor 7. Colorado 8. Texas A&M 9. Nebraska 10. Oklahoma State 11. Iowa State and 12 Missouri.

Look at the first 6 teams they've played, yeah they are all pretty horrible with the exception of K-State, and all but the K-State game was at home. Come on lets be honest 13 in the BCS and 15 in the AP, is in my opinion a little bit of a stretch, even though they are undefeated. Maybe this is jsut my Missouri fan side ripping on their rival, but Kansas don't play anyone good, really.

they will fall from the BCS based on SOS (#182 last i checked, and there are only 119 D-1A teams, so 60+ D-1AA schools play a harder schedule). I also think they will lose a game or 2. I think they should be ranked about 22 in the polls.

 

[bGIveNs33]

SOS does not factor into BCS.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Parasitic

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Parasitic
California edges out USC? What gives?
That loss to Stanford must've been humiliating.

USC hasn't exactly been dominating the last three games.

Just can't get over the fact that Stanford won. I mean...Stanford!

We still have Oregon, Cal, and ASU (all ranked). Not to mention UCLA and Notre Dame. And avenge the loss to Oregon State last year.

And this is why people and their freaking OSU bias bugs me. Cal still has UCLA, ASU, USC to play. Those are tough teams out there. USC has a tough schedule up ahead too. When we talked about Cal vs OSU before Cal lost yesterday, it was clear that if Cal won out they would be a solid #1 and OSU would be a solid #2 just based on strength of schedule in the next 5 weeks.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
SOS does not factor into BCS.

welcome to american football. contrary to the name, in most cases, you cannot use the foot.

here is an explanantion of how then BCS rating is determined.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/question535.htm

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
SOS does not factor into BCS.

It does not factor in directly (as it did in previous years). However, it is the primary factor in the computers (1/3 of the rating) and a secondary factor in the human polls (that's why Hawaii and Kansas are way behind USF and Ohio State).

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
SOS does not factor into BCS.

actually, it's supposed to be factored into the computer ranking system. There are 6 computer rankings that are used, 4 of which (middle, not the best or worst ranking for an individual team) are used alongside the Harris and Coaches Poll to determine rank.

You'd be happy to know that OSU, as of now, is tied for 5th in the computer polls that BCS uses. But the two human polls have worked in OSU's favor.

However, although OSU's schedule was weak to start, each game from here on out will be the meat of the schedule, and as someone else said, if Michigan goes 9-2 up till November 17th, then that game's outcome will be important in OSU's ranking. But we got Michigan St, Penn State (away), Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan (away) left on the schedule, in that order. And sure, some of those teams, based on stats and whatnot, may not sound the greatest, but when strong schools that are within the Big 10 play other strong schools in the conference, things can get heated. Penn State, for instance, has ruined quite a few seasons before. Illinois, even with a loss, is no laughing matter, and Michigan could very well be a battle-ready opponent.

SOS matters, and you may see the BCS rankings shuffle up next week if all the current top teams do well.

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
SOS does not factor into BCS.

welcome to american football. contrary to the name, in most cases, you cannot use the foot.

here is an explanantion of how then BCS rating is determined.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/question535.htm

That's great! Why don't you post another article of how the BCS worked 4 years ago... that article still includes the AP poll, did you even read it?

And to everyone else, I should have said SOS doesn't factor directly into the BCS anymore. And the reason Kansas and Hawaii are so far behind USF is not the SOS factor it's because they are ranked that way in the Coaches/Harris poll. The computers are actually helping Kansas out(not hawaii, they are hurting them)

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: miri
Why is Ohio State #1?

South Florida should be #1 based on strength of schedule

Correct, but Ohio State started the year above South Florida, and because they both kept winning, they are still ahead of South Florida.

And that is why having polls at the beginning of the season is S-T-U-P-I-D.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Teams like USF drive me insane. I'm sure they are a good team but I just feel like they have such an unfair advantage over teams like LSU. When you play in a big conference like the SEC there is a great chance that you are going to lose at least one game. Parity is a great word to throw around on a single game basis but it cannot be measured when the schedules are completely unbalanced.

Let me ask, do the majority feel that USF is a better team than LSU? Would they go undefeated in the SEC, the Pac 10, the Big 10, etc.? If you say yes to both of those questions then more power to USF. If you say no then perhaps you understand where I'm coming from.

In short, we need a playoff.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Correct, but Ohio State started the year above South Florida, and because they both kept winning, they are still ahead of South Florida.

South Florida started the season behind Hawaii and Missouri, and jumped both. The main reason that Ohio State is #1 isn't because they started ahead, but because they are Ohio State.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Correct, but Ohio State started the year above South Florida, and because they both kept winning, they are still ahead of South Florida.

South Florida started the season behind Hawaii and Missouri, and jumped both. The main reason that Ohio State is #1 isn't because they started ahead, but because they are Ohio State.

don't forget their big-time wins over Youngstown St, Akron and Kent St. Don't those count for something?

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
SOS does not factor into BCS.

welcome to american football. contrary to the name, in most cases, you cannot use the foot.

here is an explanantion of how then BCS rating is determined.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/question535.htm

That's great! Why don't you post another article of how the BCS worked 4 years ago... that article still includes the AP poll, did you even read it?

And to everyone else, I should have said SOS doesn't factor directly into the BCS anymore. And the reason Kansas and Hawaii are so far behind USF is not the SOS factor it's because they are ranked that way in the Coaches/Harris poll. The computers are actually helping Kansas out(not hawaii, they are hurting them)

yup, my bad, I just skimmed the beginning. What they said was exactly my point though, the BCS relies on several computer polls that use SOS.

My point about KU falling is that their opponents will continue to perform poorly most likely lowering their SOS.

 

[neomits]

A win is a win is a win is a win is a win.

Don't lose!


Some fun stats:

Every pre-season AP Top 10 team has a loss

Six teams in the current BCS Top 10 weren't even in the top 25 for the pre-season poll.

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Teams like USF drive me insane. I'm sure they are a good team but I just feel like they have such an unfair advantage over teams like LSU. When you play in a big conference like the SEC there is a great chance that you are going to lose at least one game. Parity is a great word to throw around on a single game basis but it cannot be measured when the schedules are completely unbalanced.

Let me ask, do the majority feel that USF is a better team than LSU? Would they go undefeated in the SEC, the Pac 10, the Big 10, etc.? If you say yes to both of those questions then more power to USF. If you say no then perhaps you understand where I'm coming from.

In short, we need a playoff.

The Big East is no slouch of a conference. Just ask WVU, Louisville, and Rutgers. Is it as tough as the SEC or Big Ten, probably not.

You bring up a great point of the possibility of losing once in a tough conference like the SEC versus a smaller conference. However, let me ask you this. With LSU's, where are they ranked? #4. Do they still have a shot at the NC? Yes. If USF loses any game, what are its chances? Zilch. In fact, I bet they could win all their remaining games. And if any of them are seen as a sloppy win, the "human" voters could vote them down in favor of a LSU type 1 loss team. It has happened in the past to other teams.

Believe me, I'm giddy at them being #2, but I was also giddy when they cracked the top 25. Also, we're only halfway through the season. You don't think Rutgers is looking to repeat what they did last year to the Bulls?

 

[Nerva]

last i checked, you go to college to learn...

 

[slugg]

<--- Goes to USF...

I'm happy, this is good publicity for our school

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Teams like USF drive me insane. I'm sure they are a good team but I just feel like they have such an unfair advantage over teams like LSU. When you play in a big conference like the SEC there is a great chance that you are going to lose at least one game. Parity is a great word to throw around on a single game basis but it cannot be measured when the schedules are completely unbalanced.

Let me ask, do the majority feel that USF is a better team than LSU? Would they go undefeated in the SEC, the Pac 10, the Big 10, etc.? If you say yes to both of those questions then more power to USF. If you say no then perhaps you understand where I'm coming from.

In short, we need a playoff.

The Big East is no slouch of a conference. Just ask WVU, Louisville, and Rutgers. Is it as tough as the SEC or Big Ten, probably not.

You bring up a great point of the possibility of losing once in a tough conference like the SEC versus a smaller conference. However, let me ask you this. With LSU's, where are they ranked? #4. Do they still have a shot at the NC? Yes. If USF loses any game, what are its chances? Zilch. In fact, I bet they could win all their remaining games. And if any of them are seen as a sloppy win, the "human" voters could vote them down in favor of a LSU type 1 loss team. It has happened in the past to other teams.

Believe me, I'm giddy at them being #2, but I was also giddy when they cracked the top 25. Also, we're only halfway through the season. You don't think Rutgers is looking to repeat what they did last year to the Bulls?

If USF loses another game and doesn't have a shot then that basically tells us the world thinks of the Big East as the worst of the 'major' conferences. The only reason LSU is still in the hunt is because they lost on the road to a ranked opponent and by merit of their other victories.

Like I said, USF could be a great football team. I'm just tired of the 'parity' in college football being looked at on a game to game basis and the fact that some teams have a much harder road than others simply because they are in a tougher conference. If we had a playoff this wouldn't matter but hey at least the lack of a playoff forces these conversations.

 

[bignateyk]

All I know is OSU isn't gonna make it out of happy valley unscathed. Its a big 10 game, Penn State has won 19 out of their last 20 home games, and its prime time.

Oh, and we have a nasty habit of upsetting OSU when they are ranked high in the polls.

I bet the riot police are looking forward to this game

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
All I know is OSU isn't gonna make it out of happy valley unscathed. Its a big 10 game, Penn State has won 19 out of their last 20 home games, and its prime time.

Oh, and we have a nasty habit of upsetting OSU when they are ranked high in the polls.

I bet the riot police are looking forward to this game

It's definetly going to be a tough one.

Anyone who thinks OSU winning out won't guarentee them a NC bid is smoking crack. Wisconsin and Illinois at home and Penn State and Michigan on the road would be hard for any team in the country right now.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: her209
We still have Oregon, Cal, and ASU (all ranked). Not to mention UCLA and Notre Dame. And avenge the loss to Oregon State last year.

The way USC is playing right now, they will be lucky to be 8-4.

if somehow they recover and beat all the remaining teams on their schedule (highly ranked asu, cal and oregon) will their computer ranking take them past a 1 loss usf, 1 loss bc etc

i know its a long shot given how they are playing but just curios

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: her209
We still have Oregon, Cal, and ASU (all ranked). Not to mention UCLA and Notre Dame. And avenge the loss to Oregon State last year.

The way USC is playing right now, they will be lucky to be 8-4.

if somehow they recover and beat all the remaining teams on their schedule (highly ranked asu, cal and oregon) will their computer ranking take them past a 1 loss usf, 1 loss bc etc

i know its a long shot given how they are playing but just curios

I think 1 loss USC would be behind 1 loss LSU and 1 loss Oklahoma, and ahead of 1 loss Ohio State, 1 loss USF, and 1 loss BC.

 

[JasonCoder]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: bignateyk
All I know is OSU isn't gonna make it out of happy valley unscathed. Its a big 10 game, Penn State has won 19 out of their last 20 home games, and its prime time.

Oh, and we have a nasty habit of upsetting OSU when they are ranked high in the polls.

I bet the riot police are looking forward to this game

It's definetly going to be a tough one.

Anyone who thinks OSU winning out won't guarentee them a NC bid is smoking crack. Wisconsin and Illinois at home and Penn State and Michigan on the road would be hard for any team in the country right now.

Amen brother. But <BlazingSaddles>never mind that shit, here comes MSU.</BlazingSaddles> One game at a time.

And yeah that PSU game is going to be a tough mofo. That crowd in Happy Valley is worth points. Question is, how many.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: bignateyk
All I know is OSU isn't gonna make it out of happy valley unscathed. Its a big 10 game, Penn State has won 19 out of their last 20 home games, and its prime time.

Oh, and we have a nasty habit of upsetting OSU when they are ranked high in the polls.

I bet the riot police are looking forward to this game

It's definetly going to be a tough one.

Anyone who thinks OSU winning out won't guarentee them a NC bid is smoking crack. Wisconsin and Illinois at home and Penn State and Michigan on the road would be hard for any team in the country right now.

Amen brother. But <BlazingSaddles>never mind that shit, here comes MSU.</BlazingSaddles> One game at a time.

And yeah that PSU game is going to be a tough mofo. That crowd in Happy Valley is worth points. Question is, how many.

the question is how much the pollsters will take into account last year's NC debacle, I know every year is different but obviously pollsters take all that into account

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: 3cho
last i checked, you go to college to learn...

no, you go to college to get a higher starting salary and work a better job. athletes go so they can make it to the pros.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
All I know is OSU isn't gonna make it out of happy valley unscathed. Its a big 10 game, Penn State has won 19 out of their last 20 home games, and its prime time.

Oh, and we have a nasty habit of upsetting OSU when they are ranked high in the polls.

I bet the riot police are looking forward to this game

crazy talk
OSU has won all 11 of it's past away games since the last Penn State game (a loss in Happy Valley, and not counting the two bowl games since then, a loss at the 2006/7 NC game and win at the 2005/6 Fiesta Bowl). OSU tends to stay strong when away, but the 2005 Penn State game was a relatively fresh and mixed up team. This year, Penn State will be facing the #1 Defense in the Big 10: an experienced and capable defensive line. The offensive line has its share of experienced players and when in cooperation with eachother the offensive line has its share of strengths.
This is going to be a much different matchup compared to the last time OSU was in Happy Valley, but it'll be a good matchup nonetheless.
Alas, MSU stands as the first obstacle to maintaining that #1 rank.

The Penn State and Michigan games on the road are definitely very important in terms of the polls. The rest of this season is going to be nail biters, I am sure.
And tomorrow I shall find out if I get to enjoy the Michigan away game at Michigan Stadium. Will be partly frightening, and any taunting I am not going to be one to readily ignore. But would be enjoyable to be the fans for the away team.
'I be in your house, representin' your rival!' :laugh: