Bear Facts about Bear Pics

Jim1111

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TopGun was nice enough to pass on the link to my bear pictures.
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Before I get going here, let me tell you this will most likely be my first and last post, as I can tell there are people here who no matter what you tell them will disagree. It all has to do with what you feel is right or wrong. This is America, and there is nothing wrong with having the opinion you have. I am not about to lower myself to the point where this will turn out to be an all out argument.

Some of you are definite anti-hunting, others are pro-hunting, yet others are not hunters, but do not claim to be anti either, you are the ones lacking knowledge on the topic and at the same time thirsting to know more. Those of you who fall into this category are the ones I want to address what I have to say.

First some truth to the story you have heard. This bear was not 12.5', it was not 1600 lbs, nor did it stand on its rear two, drop and charge my partner and I. As a matter of fact it didn't show any signs of aggression. It was about 1200 lbs and 10' sq. It was shot from 10 yards away as it was walking straight towards us. It was killed (yes killed, not harvested, killed! It isn't a vegetable.) quickly and humanely (humanely- civilized, it didn't take 20 misplaced shots to kill this bear over a matter of 40 minutes).

Fact- Brown bear populations in Alaska are alive in thriving, just as deer populations in PA and NY are. When you hear there are so few brown bears in the world this is true, but it is the big picture, you have to look at the only two places where they thrive, Alaska & Russia, the much smaller picture. There is still a need here in Alaska to ensure proper management of bear populations. It is essential so when some of you decide to make a trip to Alaska, you have an opportunity to use your $1500 Cannon camera on a deer, moose, caribou, or sheep. It is known that on average a grizzly bear or wolf will kill one moose or two caribou a week. All of these species in one area or another are struggling to survive, and these predators are a direct cause to the overall mortality.

Yes, we were in the bear's backyard. We were accessing his backyard to get up into some deer country. In most places in Alaska there are only two periods you can hunt brown bear, the spring and the fall. Whoever said we didn't know if the bear was a male, female, or pregnant female is uneducated about bears. There is a way to identify a sex of a bear, and I can assure you that a female bear carrying cubs will never be killed, as the sows give birth to the young ones over the winter while they are denned up. Someone else posted a link to the ADF&G website which says a bear cannot be kept if killed during defense of life, liberty or property. This is true when the bear is killed out of season, however the bear you have seen pictured was killed during legal bear hunting season. Even though this bear was killed from 10 yards away, and for some is considered too close, if the bear was out of season this would not be reason enough to kill the bear. The bear has to make some physical contact before you take his/her life or you better be ready to do some explaining to the judge. Selective hunting is definitely encouraged when hunting bears. Boars are the recommended target. Every hunter should make an honest attempt not to take a sow. Those that take a cub, or a sow with cubs, I look down upon, but more importantly than what I think is what the law says, and trust me, illegal taking of bears in Alaska is nothing to play around with.

Final note in general. For the most part hunters are good people. We have good ethics, are responsible, compassionate, and thankful. I gave thanks to the Lord for this animal upon its death. I guarantee you it was treated with the utmost respect. But just as there are those people in society who make a civilization look bad, there are those few people (I refrain from calling them hunters) who give my sport, my utopia, and my life a bad name. Don't judge everything you read or see based on the press, or Joe-bob running down a backroad in his P/U truck throwing out beer cans while firing off his shotgun on some deer that crossed a road. Those are fallacies.

I hope maybe this will shed some light on a lifestyle many of you know very little about. Perhaps, you might be more interested now than you ever were about hunting. Perhaps, my writings did nothing for you on your rational. Whatever the case thanks for taking the time to at least read what I had to say, good luck to you.

PS. Those that bad mouthed me, my hunting partner and really all hunters in general have much to learn. Do not criticize something you have neglected to educate yourself on. Though I know of some hunters who take a liking to the term "Redneck", I assume the individual who posted the remark meant it as a derogatory comment. We are not all what you consider white-trash bubba's. Those of you who made similar remarks about us hunters take a moment to breath in what I said.
 

j0lly

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<< This bear was not 12.5', it was not 1600 lbs, nor did it stand on its rear two, drop and charge my partner and I. As a matter of fact it didn't show any signs of aggression. It was about 1200 lbs and 10' sq. It was shot from 10 yards away as it was walking straight towards us. It was killed (yes killed, not harvested, killed! It isn't a vegetable.) quickly and humanely (humanely- civilized, it didn't take 20 misplaced shots to kill this bear over a matter of 40 minutes). >>



Well, in that case you're a hero. :disgust:
 

HonkeyDonk

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<< This bear was not 12.5', it was not 1600 lbs, nor did it stand on its rear two, drop and charge my partner and I. As a matter of fact it didn't show any signs of aggression. >>



so you decided to kill it...why didn't you just walk/run away from it?
 

erikistired

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um. quite possibly because he was HUNTING? and when you hunt you KILL things? geez.

anyway, that was a nice piece you wrote. unfortunately you can't open most people's eyes, especially ones that can hide behind a keyboard and throw flames at you. i hadn't seen the referenced thread although i wish i had.

ignorant people will always be ignorant people, because well, that's what makes them ignorant.

~erik <- missing the hunting camp in the PA wilderness. (sorry eakers)
 

erikistired

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oh. i almost forgot. that is one large animal. i've been lucky enough to never come across one in the wild (i don't think i could react quickly enough if one did charge me), but that is impressive. i'm in awe.

~erik
 

LAUST

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People who think hunting is just going out and killing animals carcks me down... no not up, it's down.... Conservation people!!!!!.

There are now more animals in the US wildlife then there was at the turn of the century, these statistics are from the DOW themselves.
 

Noirish

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<< so you decided to kill it...why didn't you just walk/run away from it? >>



correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think you can outrun a bear.
yes, it's huge, but it doesn't affect its speed, especially, you are in his territory, some place he's accustomed to.
that's why expert (?) advice people to play dead (?) but not running away from bear.
 

LAUST

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<<

<< so you decided to kill it...why didn't you just walk/run away from it? >>



correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think you can outrun a bear.
yes, it's huge, but it doesn't affect its speed, especially, you are in his territory, some place he's accustomed to.
that's why expert (?) advice people to play dead (?) but not running away from bear.
>>


Your very right, I've seen wildlife video's of bears running down Deer before, most people think Cows and Elephunts are also slow, yes they are slow when your in a car, get out and try to outrun a dairy cow, it'll kick their a$$
 

TheOmegaCode

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<< Before I get going here, let me tell you this will most likely be my first and last post, as I can tell there are people here who no matter what you tell them will disagree. It all has to do with what you feel is right or wrong. This is America, and there is nothing wrong with having the opinion you have. I am not about to lower myself to the point where this will turn out to be an all out argument. >>

So why are you people asking questions?

Anyway, I agree with him 100% Alot of hunters get a bad wrap, all the hunters I know, old, young, rich, poor, all have a sence of morality about what they are doing.
 

Sepen

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<< People who think hunting is just going out and killing animals carcks me down... no not up, it's down.... Conservation people!!!!!.

There are now more animals in the US wildlife then there was at the turn of the century, these statistics are from the DOW themselves.
>>



So I guess that gives us the right to go and mow them down? Yep, says so here in black and white. Give me my big gun bubba.
 

Jim1111

When I gun you down from ten feet,I will treat you with the same respect you gave that bear.
The human race is not a endangered species,so according to your thinking,that gives me the right to kill you.


Just because it is not human does not mean it does not have the right to live.


Did you eat the bear or shoot it for "the sport of it" ?
 

jjones

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good post. i doubt it will open any eyes of the tree-huggers here but like you said, maybe it will inform some of those that aren't very aware of what hunting is really about. i'm jealous; i haven't had an opportunity to do any bear hunting although my brother-in-law keeps inviting me. too bad i can't stand him.
 

If you are talking about me,I am not a "tree hugger".

I believe that if you have the right to kill the bear,then it has that same right to kill you.
 

Viper GTS

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<< I believe that if you have the right to kill the bear,then it has that same right to kill you. >>



If both have the right...

And the human wins...

What's the problem?

Viper GTS <-- Not at all a proponent of sport hunting, but values human life over animal life
 

Viper

Did you ever see a bunch of drunken bears go human hunting ?

They kill for two reason's only;

Defense and food...Not for "sport".

That's the difference.

He shot that bear to get his jollies and bragging rights,not for food or self defense.


I wonder why he lied about shooting the bear in the first place.
Care to answer that ?
 

Viper GTS

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There are provisions in states' laws for the legal killing of animals, and while I despise poachers & don't much care for sport hunters as long as the kill is made legally I don't have a problem with it.

From his description of the events, I do not know where you're getting the drunken hunters going bear hunting story, nor do I see the justification for your claim that he killed it to "get his jollies."

As to why the original story was different, I do not know. I didn't pay much attention to the original thread, nor do I really care.

But given the story presented here I think your claims are unjustified.

Viper GTS
 

SSP

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Ohh... you opened my eyes! Please go kill any animal you want!!!


Pfff... You shot him for pure bragging rights and nothing more.

It?s not like these animals needed our help to keep their population under control before humans set foot in NA.
 

erikistired

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gosh. i hope i never need any troll hunting. trolls shouldn't be hunted, they should be respected. *smirk*

people should be hunted. there are way too many of them. i'd love to have a criminal hunting license. kinda like an overpopulation of bears, they need to be thinned.

great idea, let 'er rip.

~erik
 

erikistired

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<< I believe that if you have the right to kill the bear,then it has that same right to kill you. >>



i'd love to see you in a cage with a hungry bear. that'd make my day. you think it wouldn't tear you from limb to limb?

which part of jim's post says "i'm braggin baby! this bear will look good on my wall!"? cause well, i can't see it.

~erik <- LOVES the taste of venison and eats it whenever possible (sorry again eakers).

and yes i know that venison isn't bear, that it's deer.

now it's time for "but the bears don't have guns! it's not fair!" i don't weight 1200 lbs with claws and sharp teeth, but that isn't the point.
 

erikistired

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one last thing, animals don't have rights. i don't go for guys who get drunk and beat cats or anything like that, but i'm sorry, if you believe an animal needs to have rights you should take time out for a major reality check. you can't go out and kill anything you want, there are rules and regulations. seasons, licenses, kill limits.

how come no matter how hard i try ignorance always makes me steam?

~erik <- not gonna imitate eakers this time. (dang, too late)
 

Pastore

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<< why didn't you just walk/run away from it? >>



try to run away from a bear and your dead, period
 
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