I disagree. We were all kids once and can speak from our experiences growing up and how our parents raised us. And contrary to popular belief, parents don't have all the answers.
Someone that isn't a parent has absolutely nothing to throw in to any argument involving being a parent.
Of course parents don't have all the answers. And sure you remember discipline from a kids side, not from a parents side. In fact, no two kids are the same. No one on this board knows what my kids, or anyone elses kids for that matter, need when it comes to discipline to correct behavior.I disagree. We were all kids once and can speak from our experiences growing up and how our parents raised us. And contrary to popular belief, parents don't have all the answers.
Using assumptions as fact is rarely a great argument... It is the weakest I could think of ... then you followed by a straw man.
Plus, if you had read the thread, you would have seen that I already answered that I do have a child.
So, your argument is that if you do not hit your kid, it is because you either don't have a kid or your kid must be a monster.. there are therefore no other, more constructive ways to deal with a child.
When violence, the most base and barbaric option, is all you have.. well, let's just say that you aren't much of an actual parent.
Of course parents don't have all the answers. And sure you remember discipline from a kids side, not from a parents side. In fact, no two kids are the same. No one on this board knows what my kids, or anyone elses kids for that matter, need when it comes to discipline to correct behavior.
Actually, no one here says that. In fact, you say the exact opposite. You claim that if you do spank your child, you're a monster and a horrible/not a parent.
Yeah, see right here this makes me laugh. Someone that isn't a parent has absolutely nothing to throw in to any argument involving being a parent. I have spanked my kids. Now that I think about it, it has probably been about 2-3 years since I have done it though. My kids learned how to behave themselves, so I am glad that I actually disciplined them.
Does posting a picture somehow create an argument in your book? I'm just wondering...
Yes, that is exactly what he said, and yes, using violence on a defenseless child does make you a monster.
Listen up people. USING ASSUMPTIONS AND ARGUING AGAINST THEM makes you look RIDICULOUS!
Go ahead and show me where I said that, because I didn't.Yes, that is exactly what he said, and yes, using violence on a defenseless child does make you a monster.
But as an adult, one is able to understand why parents do the things that they do.Of course parents don't have all the answers. And sure you remember discipline from a kids side, not from a parents side.
Of course not. No two people are the same. Spanking certainly didn't work for me. I think most people are smart enough to know that kids respond differently to common methods of discipline.In fact, no two kids are the same. No one on this board knows what my kids, or anyone elses kids for that matter, need when it comes to discipline to correct behavior.
I'm trying to educate your closed mind and I thought pictures might help. Apparently not Regardless, I'll join the others and just stop responding to you since you've clearly demonstrated how clueless you are about parenting. I'll leave you with this though, when you're a parent, you should make use of all available tools at your disposal in order to bring up your child right. And you should realize that not all kids are alike. Some children you can calmly explain things to them and they understand and learn from it. Some kids need more encouragement to listen/behave. I don't stoop to insulting other people's children (who I don't know) so I'll just say I hope to God your kid doesn't end up like those little shits on the metro I deal with on a daily basis
The irony...
Go ahead and show me where I said that, because I didn't.
How do we solve problems between adults. We threaten their physical well being.
Example: You are my subordinate and I tell you to complete a job. You fail to complete this job because you refuse to follow my direction. First I talk to you and tell you "Billy, didn't I say do job X?", next I threaten you "Billy, if you don't do job X I'm going to have to take away your job". Finally I punish you by harming your ability (firing).
Our court system works the same way. First we tell you not to do something politely (a law). Next we give you a time out (arrest/jail). Finally we KILL you or lock you up for life with violent criminals who have nothing to lose (same thing).
The point is, there has to be some kind of dreaded fear inducing consequence for behavior modification. Hell, isn't this the whole point of religion?? God threatens to beat you forever in a pit of fire if you don't follow his house rules...
So you got that I said it was ok to beat kids out of the line you attached? Sounds like you read too much in to what I said and are now scrambling to not look like an idiot."I bet most people that are against it don't have any children at all. That or your kids act like entitled shits all the time."
You just decided to make up this idea that if someone has different views, that "most" don't have children OR they must be undisciplined.
The only options are that they are undisciplined or the person doesn't have kids.. it couldn't POSSIBLY be that the parents actually use their brain to teach their kids.. naaah! Frame it so that the only options are to 1. Attempt to discredit people with one assumption or 2. attempt to discredit people with a totally opposite assumption.
So you got that I said it was ok to beat kids out of the line you attached? Sounds like you read too much in to what I said and are now scrambling to not look like an idiot.
Also, you must have been beaten pretty bad if you consider a spanking violence. And like I said, I haven't spanked my kids in about 3 years, but I have done it before.
I deserved all those whippings with a belt I got. Spanking on the rear is a perfectly fine and moral way to discipline children as is time outs, groundings, loss of privileges. None or all is guaranteed to work just like playing Dr. Phil by talking your kids to boredom as they pretend to reason, assuming they even really listen, is no guarantee either and the least likely to work as well as most time consuming for working parents.
Wanna know what complete lack of discipline looks like? Go into some ghetto's. When an 8 yr old pushes over your trash cans and tells you to go F yourself daring you to do anything (happened to my friend) then yeah, there are some serious lack of spankings there.
So some kids take some extra beatings and hurt their tender feelings, it should be way obvious the difference between a good disciplinary spanking and anything else considered torture or Rodney King style...common sense. If mom smacks your mouth cause you called her a stupid b***...you deserve it. If dad smacks the back of your head cause you thought it would be cool to trash a neghbors car...you deserve it....If dad beat you with a baseball bat cause you dropped your sandwich or knocked your teeth out cause you back talked him...call CPS dumbas.......common sense people.
Wanna know what complete lack of discipline looks like? Go into some ghetto's. When an 8 yr old pushes over your trash cans and tells you to go F yourself daring you to do anything (happened to my friend) then yeah, there are some serious lack of spankings there.
my mommas tool of choice was the yard stick. she had a endless supply of them. good god did those things sting.
Good job justifying and rationalizing bad parenting and continuing the circle of violence!
oh god just shut the fuck up.
You're right about all of that, but it doesn't seem to be working very well for us.
Do you think it's good that people are taught to fear going to hell when they are very young? Because in my eyes, that's straight-up child abuse and those parents don't deserve to have children.
Maybe posting someone else's picture could help with your anger...