Beautiful Watercooled System

[tylerdustin2008]

Its long but sold.

I will never get another one. Next desktop will be a simple machine, maybe some water to keep temps down.

 

[trOver]

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
Its long but sold.

I will never get another one. Next desktop will be a simple machine, maybe some water to keep temps down.

care to tell the story?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: trOver

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
Its long but sold.

I will never get another one. Next desktop will be a simple machine, maybe some water to keep temps down.

care to tell the story?

its mostly on the wait time for everything. Tyler had to wait probably the extreme end for all his eq to come in. And on the case he had to compromise to get the shipment sooner. Lets not even talk about the phase unit from Nol.


But tyler how did it feel having the top .01% machine out in the world. Must of felt dayam good sitting up there at the top.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I haven't seen you link to a watercooled case that looked as good as the murderbox. I think you are confusing performance with beauty. The murderbox looks clean as hell, with straight bends, that somehow all fit together. It's not so much that the other cases are ugly, this case just looks as a work of art, with the pencil stripes laid out perfectly, but then with tubes. The blue sata connectors add to it as well ...

I disagree. Most of CyberDruid's work looks much more interesting to me. Much more bling. It's not my style (nor is the murderbox) but damn, CyberDruid's stuff is all a work of art.

 

[tylerdustin2008]

The reason I will never get another extreme computer is because it makes a bit more noise, and it makes allot of heat. Also the parts for the U2-UFO were a bit to expensive.

And the resale value on a phase unit sucks. I paid like $900 for mine, and i got $260 and a Xeon 3060 for it, and this was only 2 months later. And my phase unit would out perform any phase unit you can buy online.

 

[MarcVenice]

I should have said, imo. The murderbox doesn't really go for the bling look though, where as Cyberdruid's stuff might. Different style, but that's where it all comes down to, can't argue about taste. Yet aigo try's so hard, purely because the murderbox isn't as efficient as it could be, and doesn't perform as well as a watercooled rig where performance doesn't get compromised for beauty ...

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I should have said, imo. The murderbox doesn't really go for the bling look though, where as Cyberdruid's stuff might. Different style, but that's where it all comes down to, can't argue about taste. Yet aigo try's so hard, purely because the murderbox isn't as efficient as it could be, and doesn't perform as well as a watercooled rig where performance doesn't get compromised for beauty ...

Marc, i like to protect people on this forum from usless crap.

Why? because i have tons of useless crap and well its useless.

To me this sysytem looks like one of those useless craps because of all the 90's and bends. Why wouldnt you want watercooling performance for watercooling premium price? Is that honestly too much to ask for?


The setup just needs a few minor Tweeks. Im not asking him to rebuild the entire thing. Just change some of the 90's correctlly. Also try to conserve your flow.

Watercooling 101:
General Concept:

Thermal Resistance is the resistance of which mol. enters the water. This in turn relates to heat that is transfered from metall -> water.
The more flow you add onto the exisisting system, the TR(themal resistance) is lowered.
Flow is in relation to head pressure on a h2o system. Head Pressure is the more important number you look at when picking pumps.
Depending on the build of each block, your sytem will take a flow reduction as well as a presssure reduction each time it hits a component on your system. This translates to loss in performance.

Each 90 he has placed is almost = to about 3 feet or more of tubing. [Cathar's messurements]


Thats just on the looping.

The PA120.2 is the creators sad attempt to not be able to find any PA120.3 There was a shortage on these radiators. Yet, he doesnt have the required channels to get one? Also price difference about 20 dollars. Ummm he cheaped 20 dollars for an added 200W of heat disapation. [To me that sounds like a jerk because no additional moding is required on the TJ-07 to fit a PA120.3]

[incase anyone i wondering, i can probably get 1 in 2 week time even if they are backordered]


Radiator Selection and Placement:

You pick the radiator for application. Not whatever radiator will fit. If you cant fit the radiator required, you DONT watercool or your performance will suck.

Now let me shoot some nice little nummbers for you
Q6600 (G0) @ 1.4Vcore ~ 170-185W of heat
G80 GTX ~ 150-160W of heat

PA120.2 threshold for stress point ~ 350-400W of heat. [You really want to only load your radiator by 1/2 and never the full stress point]

Your hovering near stress point on the radiator, so now your G80 will overheat your coolant, and your cpu temps will be about = to a tuniq tower or ultra120.

nice 7g's for a system that performs on par with air. Is also probably louder the one as well. At least you can smile cuz it looks clean.

i think my CM690 looks cleaner, and if i added color to the coolant, most likely look pimper.

 

[MisterPapaya]

Hi mine name is Brian. I mainly make my home over at extremeoverclocking, but this thread has peaked my interest. I think this computer looks wonderful. The time taken to not only make a very clean looking wc loop, but also the care taken in the rest of the case shows the builders true dedication to quality. Anyone notice the hidden DVD drive? This is one of the few commercially produced computers that I would actually consider buying, simply because I know that I would not be able to reproduce this level of quality with my own hands, unlike most commercially available rigs.

As for the haters... With little exposure to the people on these forums it seems like certain people are a little full of themselves, and thus unable to admit that the mixture of beauty and performance in the murderbox is truly impressive.

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Marc, i like to protect people on this forum from usless crap.

Wow, you are so altruistic. I am glad you make posts with only others in mind.

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Watercooling 101:
General Concept:

Thermal Resistance is the resistance of which mol. enters the water. This in turn relates to heat that is transfered from metall -> water.
The more flow you add onto the exisisting system, the TR(themal resistance) is lowered.
Flow is in relation to head pressure on a h2o system. Head Pressure is the more important number you look at when picking pumps.
Depending on the build of each block, your sytem will take a flow reduction as well as a presssure reduction each time it hits a component on your system. This translates to loss in performance.

In case you didn't realize you already have written the "Newbies Guide to Overclocking" you dont need to repeat the contents of that post here.

Originally posted by: aigomorla
[incase anyone i wondering, i can probably get 1 in 2 week time even if they are backordered]

Alright we get the point already, you want everyone to think you are amazing....

Originally posted by: aigomorla
i think my CM690 looks cleaner, and if i added color to the coolant, most likely look pimper.

Alright, alright I give in...... just stop talking about urself already...... You're right, you are obviously the best. We should rename this thread to aigomorla is the best at water cooling. But I take back my first statement, you make posts with only urself in mind.

No need to respond... I am not here to argue, simply to state my mind.

 

[aigomorla]

haters?

What would this project have have that would make me hate it?

1. Could i afford to do one exactly the same as the creator. Yes considering most likely 3 of my rigs hold a bigger price tag.

2. Could i rebuild his project exactly, and make it look exact at any moment i felt like it? Yes, there isnt any super moding he's done. Its actually quite easy in a TJ-07. He could of done a better job, which i note, and he's still charging a premium. His choice in t's and radiator is very lacking. But wait... your paying a premium.... this must be the jessica simpson edition of the murder box....

3. Is there in anyway i CANT get my hands on anything he has shown me, or make me jealous the "oooh i wish i could have that" motion? NO... highly doubt it... Not unless he has cathar's prototype G7 in silver. Oh if he was showing skulltrail, yeah... id hate him then.... oh theres a couple more things i wish i could have but cant get my hands on.... But for the most of it in the computing world, thats about it...

Dual 30inch displays on 2 x 2 sli would also make me cry and hate... But i havent seen 1 person with that setup yet...



Do i recomend people to buy this unit prebuilt at the price tag of 7k?
Not on your life. Part of building is to learn how to service the system.



Normally i welcome new people to the forum, but MisterPapaya if you prefer one of these, its your call.

But i did admit it, it does look clean, and very simple... But i think the creator should just fix the little flaws in it, and then it would look absolutely beautiful.


The point that bothers me, and i'll be frank.... If this was a members creation for himself, as a fun dyo project. A migration into h2o cooling, i would give him a lot more praise instead of criticism.

The fact its a prebuilt rig and also the fact it holds a 7g price tag.... Which puts it in league with phase unit prebuilts, and also my U2 build catigory.... Thats what bothers me.

7g's for that many mistakes in looping, and hardware.... I cant get that out of my head. Im sorry... But thats whats really bothering me.