Been out of the loop for over 3 years...

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: dguy6789
A couple of things.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an overclocked workstation. You simply need to run some stability tests and make sure that your overclock is rock solid.

I hate to break it to you, but processors have not moved too far in the last three years. A 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 is more than enough for general workstation usage. The reason to get a Pentium D 805 is because it is both cheap and dual core.

People also like to way over estimate the power usage of the Pentium D chips. In the system in my signature, my power supply cost around $90 or so when back when I bought it. I do not know how much it is now. Nonetheless, I have enough power to put the highest end Pentium D in here, load up the entire case with optical and hard drives, and load up all of the usb ports and expansion slots with no problem. When buying a power supply, just know what brands are good and what brands you should avoid.


As suggested multiple times already, only get the Pentium D 805 if you cannot wait. If you can wait, then look at the low end Core 2 Duo processors.

I take it you don't do much professional work on computers then...
Using an overclocked chip for a workstation is like building a Taxicab out of an old reconditioned VW bug...sure it can work, but it's far less reliable and breaks down more often.
In your sig, you have only a single HDD, a Radeon 850, and a single DVD with a 500w PSU.
For something like a graphics workstation, you're talking about a much higher end Vid card, 5 HDDs (either in raid or JBOD), multiple DVDs/CDs, and many USB connections. The power difference on the 805 alone is close to 100w at load if it's overclocked! That's 20% of your peak rated power (and no PSU is even close to 100% efficient).
And leave us not forget that you will need more fans for better cooling on the beast...even more load for the PSU.

The better choice (if you can't wait) is certainly an X2 3800 or higher...

This is why I would just stop arguing with him...lost cause...


I think the 9xx series is much better and the 65nm Asus was elluding to....not conroe at this point....

The 8xx series I have seen first hand and not impressed....cheap or not I wouldn't mess with it...the 150-170 more the 3800+ x2 is worth it and over the entire cost would and should not be that large...Stock 3800+ is much better then the 805D at 2.66ghz netburst with 533fsb.....

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: dguy6789
A couple of things.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an overclocked workstation. You simply need to run some stability tests and make sure that your overclock is rock solid.

I hate to break it to you, but processors have not moved too far in the last three years. A 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 is more than enough for general workstation usage. The reason to get a Pentium D 805 is because it is both cheap and dual core.

People also like to way over estimate the power usage of the Pentium D chips. In the system in my signature, my power supply cost around $90 or so when back when I bought it. I do not know how much it is now. Nonetheless, I have enough power to put the highest end Pentium D in here, load up the entire case with optical and hard drives, and load up all of the usb ports and expansion slots with no problem. When buying a power supply, just know what brands are good and what brands you should avoid.


As suggested multiple times already, only get the Pentium D 805 if you cannot wait. If you can wait, then look at the low end Core 2 Duo processors.

I take it you don't do much professional work on computers then...
Using an overclocked chip for a workstation is like building a Taxicab out of an old reconditioned VW bug...sure it can work, but it's far less reliable and breaks down more often.
In your sig, you have only a single HDD, a Radeon 850, and a single DVD with a 500w PSU.
For something like a graphics workstation, you're talking about a much higher end Vid card, 5 HDDs (either in raid or JBOD), multiple DVDs/CDs, and many USB connections. The power difference on the 805 alone is close to 100w at load if it's overclocked! That's 20% of your peak rated power (and no PSU is even close to 100% efficient).
And leave us not forget that you will need more fans for better cooling on the beast...even more load for the PSU.

The better choice (if you can't wait) is certainly an X2 3800 or higher...

You are correct in saying that I do not do a lot of professional work on my pc. I do a bit of everything, including some pro work, but nothing too serious. If the OP was using a system with requirements like the ones you suggested, then yes, it would be better to conserve power supply load and go with an X2 3800+.

However, the OP has stated that he is a broker and works from home. He says he mainly uses just some general applications for his work. That does not sound to me like he needs five hard drives, three to four optical drives, multiple usb devices(perhaps printers and scanners), and a high end professional workstation video card. In all probability, his machine would probably have one or two hard drives, one or two disc drives, and a low end video card. Nothing extreme or stressing on the power supply.

On newegg.com, I did a brief mainboard/memory/cpu price check.

For a Pentium D 805, 2GB of PC2 5300 DDR2, and a moderate mainboard with integrated graphics(945G), the price was $339.96.

For an Athlon 64 X2 3800+, 2GB of PC3200 DDR, and a moderate mainboard with integrated graphics(Geforce 6100), the price was $511.97.

I picked value memory and mainboards, so neither of these would likely overclock very far.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: dguy6789
A couple of things.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an overclocked workstation. You simply need to run some stability tests and make sure that your overclock is rock solid.

I hate to break it to you, but processors have not moved too far in the last three years. A 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 is more than enough for general workstation usage. The reason to get a Pentium D 805 is because it is both cheap and dual core.

People also like to way over estimate the power usage of the Pentium D chips. In the system in my signature, my power supply cost around $90 or so when back when I bought it. I do not know how much it is now. Nonetheless, I have enough power to put the highest end Pentium D in here, load up the entire case with optical and hard drives, and load up all of the usb ports and expansion slots with no problem. When buying a power supply, just know what brands are good and what brands you should avoid.


As suggested multiple times already, only get the Pentium D 805 if you cannot wait. If you can wait, then look at the low end Core 2 Duo processors.

I take it you don't do much professional work on computers then...
Using an overclocked chip for a workstation is like building a Taxicab out of an old reconditioned VW bug...sure it can work, but it's far less reliable and breaks down more often.
In your sig, you have only a single HDD, a Radeon 850, and a single DVD with a 500w PSU.
For something like a graphics workstation, you're talking about a much higher end Vid card, 5 HDDs (either in raid or JBOD), multiple DVDs/CDs, and many USB connections. The power difference on the 805 alone is close to 100w at load if it's overclocked! That's 20% of your peak rated power (and no PSU is even close to 100% efficient).
And leave us not forget that you will need more fans for better cooling on the beast...even more load for the PSU.

The better choice (if you can't wait) is certainly an X2 3800 or higher...

This is why I would just stop arguing with him...lost cause...


I think the 9xx series is much better and the 65nm Asus was elluding to....not conroe at this point....

The 8xx series I have seen first hand and not impressed....cheap or not I wouldn't mess with it...the 150-170 more the 3800+ x2 is worth it and over the entire cost would and should not be that large...Stock 3800+ is much better then the 805D at 2.66ghz netburst with 533fsb.....

I was thinking that the Asus 65nm was Conroe as it said Next Generation processor and 975X is supposed to support Conroe, so put two and two together and see what you get. I do not consider the 8XX to be better than the X2s. I would not consider any Pentium D that is within price range of the X2s. The only reason I suggested the 805 in the first place was because the user requested an affordable processor, which is exactly what the 805 is.

Also, no argument is going on. This is simply a discussion. We are not immature children like some on this forum. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: dguy6789
A couple of things.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an overclocked workstation. You simply need to run some stability tests and make sure that your overclock is rock solid.

I hate to break it to you, but processors have not moved too far in the last three years. A 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 is more than enough for general workstation usage. The reason to get a Pentium D 805 is because it is both cheap and dual core.

People also like to way over estimate the power usage of the Pentium D chips. In the system in my signature, my power supply cost around $90 or so when back when I bought it. I do not know how much it is now. Nonetheless, I have enough power to put the highest end Pentium D in here, load up the entire case with optical and hard drives, and load up all of the usb ports and expansion slots with no problem. When buying a power supply, just know what brands are good and what brands you should avoid.


As suggested multiple times already, only get the Pentium D 805 if you cannot wait. If you can wait, then look at the low end Core 2 Duo processors.

I take it you don't do much professional work on computers then...
Using an overclocked chip for a workstation is like building a Taxicab out of an old reconditioned VW bug...sure it can work, but it's far less reliable and breaks down more often.
In your sig, you have only a single HDD, a Radeon 850, and a single DVD with a 500w PSU.
For something like a graphics workstation, you're talking about a much higher end Vid card, 5 HDDs (either in raid or JBOD), multiple DVDs/CDs, and many USB connections. The power difference on the 805 alone is close to 100w at load if it's overclocked! That's 20% of your peak rated power (and no PSU is even close to 100% efficient).
And leave us not forget that you will need more fans for better cooling on the beast...even more load for the PSU.

The better choice (if you can't wait) is certainly an X2 3800 or higher...

You are correct in saying that I do not do a lot of professional work on my pc. I do a bit of everything, including some pro work, but nothing too serious. If the OP was using a system with requirements like the ones you suggested, then yes, it would be better to conserve power supply load and go with an X2 3800+.

However, the OP has stated that he is a broker and works from home. He says he mainly uses just some general applications for his work. That does not sound to me like he needs five hard drives, three to four optical drives, multiple usb devices(perhaps printers and scanners), and a high end professional workstation video card. In all probability, his machine would probably have one or two hard drives, one or two disc drives, and a low end video card. Nothing extreme or stressing on the power supply.

On newegg.com, I did a brief mainboard/memory/cpu price check.

For a Pentium D 805, 2GB of PC2 5300 DDR2, and a moderate mainboard with integrated graphics(945G), the price was $339.96.

For an Athlon 64 X2 3800+, 2GB of PC3200 DDR, and a moderate mainboard with integrated graphics(Geforce 6100), the price was $511.97.

I picked value memory and mainboards, so neither of these would likely overclock very far.

Now add the rest of the system....case/power supply, DVD-rom, HDD's, etc and see what the percentage difference is...The X2 will be a better deal by the fact the percentage faster it is versus the 805D...

805D only has a value as an overclocker, IMO and most who hang here....Ofcourse the looney fringe may view otherwise...

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: dguy6789
A couple of things.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an overclocked workstation. You simply need to run some stability tests and make sure that your overclock is rock solid.

I hate to break it to you, but processors have not moved too far in the last three years. A 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 is more than enough for general workstation usage. The reason to get a Pentium D 805 is because it is both cheap and dual core.

People also like to way over estimate the power usage of the Pentium D chips. In the system in my signature, my power supply cost around $90 or so when back when I bought it. I do not know how much it is now. Nonetheless, I have enough power to put the highest end Pentium D in here, load up the entire case with optical and hard drives, and load up all of the usb ports and expansion slots with no problem. When buying a power supply, just know what brands are good and what brands you should avoid.


As suggested multiple times already, only get the Pentium D 805 if you cannot wait. If you can wait, then look at the low end Core 2 Duo processors.

I take it you don't do much professional work on computers then...
Using an overclocked chip for a workstation is like building a Taxicab out of an old reconditioned VW bug...sure it can work, but it's far less reliable and breaks down more often.
In your sig, you have only a single HDD, a Radeon 850, and a single DVD with a 500w PSU.
For something like a graphics workstation, you're talking about a much higher end Vid card, 5 HDDs (either in raid or JBOD), multiple DVDs/CDs, and many USB connections. The power difference on the 805 alone is close to 100w at load if it's overclocked! That's 20% of your peak rated power (and no PSU is even close to 100% efficient).
And leave us not forget that you will need more fans for better cooling on the beast...even more load for the PSU.

The better choice (if you can't wait) is certainly an X2 3800 or higher...

You are correct in saying that I do not do a lot of professional work on my pc. I do a bit of everything, including some pro work, but nothing too serious. If the OP was using a system with requirements like the ones you suggested, then yes, it would be better to conserve power supply load and go with an X2 3800+.

However, the OP has stated that he is a broker and works from home. He says he mainly uses just some general applications for his work. That does not sound to me like he needs five hard drives, three to four optical drives, multiple usb devices(perhaps printers and scanners), and a high end professional workstation video card. In all probability, his machine would probably have one or two hard drives, one or two disc drives, and a low end video card. Nothing extreme or stressing on the power supply.

On newegg.com, I did a brief mainboard/memory/cpu price check.

For a Pentium D 805, 2GB of PC2 5300 DDR2, and a moderate mainboard with integrated graphics(945G), the price was $339.96.

For an Athlon 64 X2 3800+, 2GB of PC3200 DDR, and a moderate mainboard with integrated graphics(Geforce 6100), the price was $511.97.

I picked value memory and mainboards, so neither of these would likely overclock very far.

Now add the rest of the system....case/power supply, DVD-rom, HDD's, etc and see what the percentage difference is...The X2 will be a better deal by the fact the percentage faster it is versus the 805D...

805D only has a value as an overclocker, IMO and most who hang here....Ofcourse the looney fringe may view otherwise...

I see where you are comming from. When all is said and done with the entire system, the price difference caused by the processors will be less significant. Yes, an X2 system would be better, but can the OP afford it?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: dguy6789
A couple of things.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an overclocked workstation. You simply need to run some stability tests and make sure that your overclock is rock solid.

I hate to break it to you, but processors have not moved too far in the last three years. A 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 is more than enough for general workstation usage. The reason to get a Pentium D 805 is because it is both cheap and dual core.

People also like to way over estimate the power usage of the Pentium D chips. In the system in my signature, my power supply cost around $90 or so when back when I bought it. I do not know how much it is now. Nonetheless, I have enough power to put the highest end Pentium D in here, load up the entire case with optical and hard drives, and load up all of the usb ports and expansion slots with no problem. When buying a power supply, just know what brands are good and what brands you should avoid.


As suggested multiple times already, only get the Pentium D 805 if you cannot wait. If you can wait, then look at the low end Core 2 Duo processors.

I take it you don't do much professional work on computers then...
Using an overclocked chip for a workstation is like building a Taxicab out of an old reconditioned VW bug...sure it can work, but it's far less reliable and breaks down more often.
In your sig, you have only a single HDD, a Radeon 850, and a single DVD with a 500w PSU.
For something like a graphics workstation, you're talking about a much higher end Vid card, 5 HDDs (either in raid or JBOD), multiple DVDs/CDs, and many USB connections. The power difference on the 805 alone is close to 100w at load if it's overclocked! That's 20% of your peak rated power (and no PSU is even close to 100% efficient).
And leave us not forget that you will need more fans for better cooling on the beast...even more load for the PSU.

The better choice (if you can't wait) is certainly an X2 3800 or higher...

You are correct in saying that I do not do a lot of professional work on my pc. I do a bit of everything, including some pro work, but nothing too serious. If the OP was using a system with requirements like the ones you suggested, then yes, it would be better to conserve power supply load and go with an X2 3800+.

However, the OP has stated that he is a broker and works from home. He says he mainly uses just some general applications for his work. That does not sound to me like he needs five hard drives, three to four optical drives, multiple usb devices(perhaps printers and scanners), and a high end professional workstation video card. In all probability, his machine would probably have one or two hard drives, one or two disc drives, and a low end video card. Nothing extreme or stressing on the power supply.

On newegg.com, I did a brief mainboard/memory/cpu price check.

For a Pentium D 805, 2GB of PC2 5300 DDR2, and a moderate mainboard with integrated graphics(945G), the price was $339.96.

For an Athlon 64 X2 3800+, 2GB of PC3200 DDR, and a moderate mainboard with integrated graphics(Geforce 6100), the price was $511.97.

I picked value memory and mainboards, so neither of these would likely overclock very far.

Now add the rest of the system....case/power supply, DVD-rom, HDD's, etc and see what the percentage difference is...The X2 will be a better deal by the fact the percentage faster it is versus the 805D...

805D only has a value as an overclocker, IMO and most who hang here....Ofcourse the looney fringe may view otherwise...

I see where you are comming from. When all is said and done with the entire system, the price difference caused by the processors will be less significant. Yes, an X2 system would be better, but can the OP afford it?

That is a question for him....

I would like to see him just hold on until conroe....prices look good and he will get significant more power per clock then the netburst Smithfields...

 

[hbui]

I've just switched over to AMD and loving it. My previous setup were all intel. Trust me, on a hot summer day, when your intel is heating up on you, price is the last thing on your mind. Yes, intel does run pretty damn hot. I don't have any measuring tool but I'm sitting here with my AMD opteron 146 running at 3.0Ghz and I don't even need to open my window. But like the rest have mentioned...wait for conroe..

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

I see where you are comming from. When all is said and done with the entire system, the price difference caused by the processors will be less significant. Yes, an X2 system would be better, but can the OP afford it?

Ummm...he's a broker.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: dguy6789

I see where you are comming from. When all is said and done with the entire system, the price difference caused by the processors will be less significant. Yes, an X2 system would be better, but can the OP afford it?

Ummm...he's a broker.

Quite.

 

[JzL]

If its a couple hundred dollars.. no it doesnt matter.

I want something that is rock solid. Like I stated, I have been chugging along so good on my 2500 barton with my NF7 series Mobo and GB of ram that I have not wanted something else.

That is what has kept me from the scene for 3 years.... now that I am ready for an upgrade, I just want the most bang for my buck. Heat IS an issue... my AMD is hot right now as it sits under my desk. I do have a lot of HDs in there tho.. I prolly need to move them over here soon to the server anyhow.

All I want/need I think is :

CPU
MOBO
RAM
RAPTOR would be nice as well.
Video Card... Quad output VGA is fine, I run Dell E1703P

 

[dguy6789]

In that case:

CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103562

Mainboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131530

Memory(Get two of these)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820141198

Hard drive(I would not suggest a raptor. Most people who have used them claim for the price, that the performance is not worth it. It would be better to go for a higher capacity drive)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148131

Could you specify monitor a bit more? Dell shows up no search results for the monitor you listed.

 

[extro]

Unless you absolutely must build a new box now, I'd wait until September before upgrading. So much is going to be happening between now and then that I think this is the worst time of the year to upgrade.

In June Intel is cutting prices on their old stuff again.
In July they come out with Conroe (desktop).
In August they come out with Merom (mobile).
AMD will probably have to respond to all this with some price cuts of their own, improving the price/performance ratio of an AMD system.

Now is the time to slowly get back in the loop, browse the tech sites and message boards over the summer, and start dreaming of the new box you'll have by Xmas.

 

[JzL]

Originally posted by: extro
Unless you absolutely must build a new box now, I'd wait until September before upgrading. So much is going to be happening between now and then that I think this is the worst time of the year to upgrade.

In June Intel is cutting prices on their old stuff again.
In July they come out with Conroe (desktop).
In August they come out with Merom (mobile).
AMD will probably have to respond to all this with some price cuts of their own, improving the price/performance ratio of an AMD system.

Now is the time to slowly get back in the loop, browse the tech sites and message boards over the summer, and start dreaming of the new box you'll have by Xmas.

The more and more i hear people saying that, the more I want to. I think that i will put it on ice and decide what to get later... Ill shoot to order one by 9-28... thats an important date for me.

 

[r0ck]

I've been out of the game since '02. But I guess I came back at the right time (for conroe). I am gonna start collecting stuff lil by lil

Gotta start off with a good case. I got some time to do the research b4 conroe drops.

 

[greatromances]

I don't know what you all are getting upset about the 805. I mean they do get a little hot, but it's not like it's a bloody valcano. Even in Utah with how hot it gets on some days, I don't actually "feel" the heat from just the cpu in my bedroom. Lol that's unheard of. Even with it overclocked to 3.5ghz and under load, it's not a "heater" for your living space. With this chip at stock speeds, it will be more than enough for his workstation. It's a decent performing dual core chip for under $150, what more could you ask for? Besides the smaller electricity bill if you overclock it

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: greatromances
I don't know what you all are getting upset about the 805. I mean they do get a little hot, but it's not like it's a bloody valcano. Even in Utah with how hot it gets on some days, I don't actually "feel" the heat from just the cpu in my bedroom. Lol that's unheard of. Even with it overclocked to 3.5ghz and under load, it's not a "heater" for your living space. With this chip at stock speeds, it will be more than enough for his workstation. It's a decent performing dual core chip for under $150, what more could you ask for? Besides the smaller electricity bill if you overclock it

Actually, the reason it's not melting is that it is probably throttling (Intel has a very nice thermal protection there). At 3.5 GHz under load on air, I can pretty much guarantee it's throttling...

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: greatromances
I don't know what you all are getting upset about the 805. I mean they do get a little hot, but it's not like it's a bloody valcano. Even in Utah with how hot it gets on some days, I don't actually "feel" the heat from just the cpu in my bedroom. Lol that's unheard of. Even with it overclocked to 3.5ghz and under load, it's not a "heater" for your living space. With this chip at stock speeds, it will be more than enough for his workstation. It's a decent performing dual core chip for under $150, what more could you ask for? Besides the smaller electricity bill if you overclock it

Actually, the reason it's not melting is that it is probably throttling (Intel has a very nice thermal protection there). At 3.5 GHz under load on air, I can pretty much guarantee it's throttling...

Perhaps on the stock cooler. There are plenty of good air coolers where people can run overclocked SmithFields and get very reasonable temperatures.